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Liverpool related transfer speculation

I think you mean that we need better than Quansah
He's our 4th choice CB and I believe a good enough 1 at that. The problem is when Ibou and Gomez show their unreliability and we need him to step up as and when. He finds himself at crossroads in his career because his stance has very much changed to what it was last season.

How many times has he played in a strong back line? with a strong midfield ahead of him? Young players like Bradley, Quansah, Morton etc can't develop playing in 2nd strings all the time. Bradley didn't get to play against Madrid and put in a MOTM performance playing alongside these other players looking to develop like Quansah, Harvey, Morton.
 
Badger will get assessed during the summer - if he’s not up to it for whatever reason, cheerio.

It’s be a shame, like, because there’s definitely a really good player there - but if he does have attitude problems (which seems weird because Lijnders would have known all about it before he took him on loan), then Slot won’t touch him.

I prefer to think he’s just dealing with a series of injuries that have kept him out a lot over the last few years - both physical and mental.

Feels similar to the Calvin Ramsey situation.
 
Badger will get assessed during the summer - if he’s not up to it for whatever reason, cheerio.

It’s be a shame, like, because there’s definitely a really good player there - but if he does have attitude problems (which seems weird because Lijnders would have known all about it before he took him on loan), then Slot won’t touch him.

I prefer to think he’s just dealing with a series of injuries that have kept him out a lot over the last few years - both physical and mental.

Feels similar to the Calvin Ramsey situation.

I also think there's a difference between being late for meetings and not applying oneself in training.

They're both unprofessional and require correction. But one is a lot easier to fix, while the other has a more pernicious impact on development.
 
Quansah just turned 22 years old.
He's our 4th choice CB and I believe a good enough 1 at that. The problem is when Ibou and Gomez show their unreliability and we need him to step up as and when. He finds himself at crossroads in his career because his stance has very much changed to what it was last season.

How many times has he played in a strong back line? with a strong midfield ahead of him? Young players like Bradley, Quansah, Morton etc can't develop playing in 2nd strings all the time. Bradley didn't get to play against Madrid and put in a MOTM performance playing alongside these other players looking to develop like Quansah, Harvey, Morton.
If you want to improve the squad you need to bring in players that are better than the ones we already have.

I m not saying Quansah is a bad player, I am merely saying that there are better players out there
 
If you want to improve the squad you need to bring in players that are better than the ones we already have.

I m not saying Quansah is a bad player, I am merely saying that there are better players out there

2 problems.

1) We don't have the money to sign a Guehi or Branthwaite for example to sit on the bench every week and wait his turn until Ibou gets injured.

2) We don't have anyone at the club that can spot a talent like a Murillo or Koulieraikis for example, nor find the more experienced pros like Milenkovic or Pavlovic, that we can bring in for 10-20m.
 
If you want to improve the squad you need to bring in players that are better than the ones we already have.

I m not saying Quansah is a bad player, I am merely saying that there are better players out there
I agree, we signed Konate when he was 21 and if I remember it correctly he was better than Quansah.
Point is, there are better players out there and we have been able to identify them before.
I honestly think that Bournemouth defender is on our list.
 
I think there are lots of good central defenders but none are coming in January, and none are coming in with the intention of being 4th choice.
 
I think there are lots of good central defenders but none are coming in January, and none are coming in with the intention of being 4th choice.

You’ll be breaking Bluebell’s heart with talk like that.
 
I think Gakpo also did a skit for each player and only think he could say about Bajetic was late, always late.

Sounds like perhaps he “made it” too early - how old was he when Klopp gave him a debut, 17? He got thrust into the first team because Fabinho and Hendo couldn’t move a muscle that season and got hyped up before he was physically or psychologically ready. It’s always painful to go back down a level you thought you already belonged at and the injury didn’t help.
 
I think there are lots of good central defenders but none are coming in January, and none are coming in with the intention of being 4th choice.
Virgil, the world's best CB and who'll sign a new contract, Konate - one of the best young CBs in world football and then Gomez and Quansah, both very good CBs on their day. It's a tough sell for an up and coming CB already starting at another club, to come and compete for a starting slot - which they won't get for a while at least.

Maybe an old pro who'd like a final fling at a big club but otherwise it would have to be a major pay rise to tempt someone.
 
I think there are lots of good central defenders but none are coming in January, and none are coming in with the intention of being 4th choice.
None are coming in Jan as we won't make a move for any which imho could bite us in the ass but I hope I am wrong.
Lets say we go for a CB in the summer who knows he isn't going to be1st or 2nd choice. He would move because a) he will be paid at least double what he is on now b) he has the chance of winning major honours c) He would be confident enough to displace the top two eventually

You’ll be breaking Bluebell’s heart with talk like that.
I reckon come summer if FSG decided to do another zero transfer window, you would be okay with it as long as we are PSR Champions of the World
 
Aren't they more opportunistic hunters though, waiting for someone to walk below them in their gum tree hideout

I think the stalk, particularly non-Australian human prey due to the more tender meat, they set traps to make you come to them - they’re like a different level apex predator - no fucking around - if you get close enough for them to pounce, you’re already dead.
 
There's more than 3. Lions, Tigers, Leopards, Brown Bears Polar Bears will all track and kill humans. Some others are opportunistic hunters, such as saltwater crocs and great white sharks
True. And more than that. But most of those above don't see humans as prey, unless old and decrepid (usually due to tooth loss or decay) or mentally unstable (the animal not the human)! But Polar bears, tigers and big crocs see humans as a prey animal.

And Drop bears of course - goes without saying.
 
None are coming in Jan as we won't make a move for any which imho could bite us in the ass but I hope I am wrong.
Lets say we go for a CB in the summer who knows he isn't going to be1st or 2nd choice. He would move because a) he will be paid at least double what he is on now b) he has the chance of winning major honours c) He would be confident enough to displace the top two eventually


I reckon come summer if FSG decided to do another zero transfer window, you would be okay with it as long as we are PSR Champions of the World

You still don’t get it after all this time.

It’s not about “winning the transfer window” or “best net spend” or being “PSR champions”.

There are 3 ways you can improve your squad:
1. Buy a new player (eg, Chiesa)
2. Coach the players you have to be better (eg Gravenberch)
3. Bring a young player through and play him (eg McConnell or Danns)

Each has risk and each has reward, but only one costs a fuckload more than the others. That doesn’t means it’s not necessary - a Quick Look at the team will tell you that about 60-70% of our match day squad were bought and of that you could that about 30-40% were bought and improved (a bit subjective that one because you could argue Salah was bought and improved - you could even argue that fir Virgil), with threat being either at a high level before and maintained or n some cases dropped off (not hard to pick that one).

We also gave owners who, and it’s not about the rights and wrongs of this, have made it very clear that we can spend whatever we make, but we have to be self-sustaining - they’ll fund capital projects (because they retain value) but they’ll not fund player purchases.

So that means we have to have a strategy.

Guess what - that strategy doesn’t involve buying every player that has a YouTube clip.

Our strategy is clear :
1. We try to attract top young talent under the age of 18 that cost very little and can be developed (for Binomials sake, it’s hard to sign players from overseas under the age of 18 because you can run into child trafficking problems very quickly).
2. We try to sign players aged 21-24 that have established their playing credentials and have a high ceiling, but represent value.
3. We’ll sign players aged 24-27 if we absolutely think they’re essential, best available and obtainable without being stupid.

What we tend to avoid is 18-21 because they’re usually high value, but haven’t quite established themselves so therefore also high risk and players 27+ because there’s a higher probability they’ve peaked, will diminish as players and are likely to be high cost - again it’s high risk.

That’s not to say we won’t buy the players above - we’re just very much less likely to.

So we narrow down who we want to buy and then we figure out if the cost and benefit of bringing that player in outweighs the chance we think a current player can get better or one of our kids could step up.

That, to me, while boring as fuck, is a really sensible approach to transfers that I’m comfortable with - particularly when I look at the teams that have splashed cash left, right and centre only to win fuck all and find that the kids the had to let go to balance the books are better than the expensive shit they bought in.
 
You still don’t get it after all this time.

It’s not about “winning the transfer window” or “best net spend” or being “PSR champions”.

There are 3 ways you can improve your squad:
1. Buy a new player (eg, Chiesa)
2. Coach the players you have to be better (eg Gravenberch)
3. Bring a young player through and play him (eg McConnell or Danns)

Each has risk and each has reward, but only one costs a fuckload more than the others. That doesn’t means it’s not necessary - a Quick Look at the team will tell you that about 60-70% of our match day squad were bought and of that you could that about 30-40% were bought and improved (a bit subjective that one because you could argue Salah was bought and improved - you could even argue that fir Virgil), with threat being either at a high level before and maintained or n some cases dropped off (not hard to pick that one).

We also gave owners who, and it’s not about the rights and wrongs of this, have made it very clear that we can spend whatever we make, but we have to be self-sustaining - they’ll fund capital projects (because they retain value) but they’ll not fund player purchases.

So that means we have to have a strategy.

Guess what - that strategy doesn’t involve buying every player that has a YouTube clip.

Our strategy is clear :
1. We try to attract top young talent under the age of 18 that cost very little and can be developed (for Binomials sake, it’s hard to sign players from overseas under the age of 18 because you can run into child trafficking problems very quickly).
2. We try to sign players aged 21-24 that have established their playing credentials and have a high ceiling, but represent value.
3. We’ll sign players aged 24-27 if we absolutely think they’re essential, best available and obtainable without being stupid.

What we tend to avoid is 18-21 because they’re usually high value, but haven’t quite established themselves so therefore also high risk and players 27+ because there’s a higher probability they’ve peaked, will diminish as players and are likely to be high cost - again it’s high risk.

That’s not to say we won’t buy the players above - we’re just very much less likely to.

So we narrow down who we want to buy and then we figure out if the cost and benefit of bringing that player in outweighs the chance we think a current player can get better or one of our kids could step up.

That, to me, while boring as fuck, is a really sensible approach to transfers that I’m comfortable with - particularly when I look at the teams that have splashed cash left, right and centre only to win fuck all and find that the kids the had to let go to balance the books are better than the expensive shit they bought in.

I actually agree with the first 3 points. But that is not what @binomial and others (including myself) see as the problem. The problem we see is that we are short of players for the backline and an obvious fall in quality at LB. But I also see how difficult it is to get another LB when we have two internationals available right now for that position. Also there are now two instances where when one defender leaves we have not gone out and bought someone to replace that position e.g. season when Lovren left and most recently in the summer when Matip left. Also it is annoying that after Thiago left we never went out and bought someone.

There are also diverse opinions and views of who we regard as first team adequate players - I love Jones - many of you would be happy if we sold him. I don't particularly think Elliot is good enough - but most people do on here.

Finally - I am not convinced by the little bit of Slot ball we have seen, as much as I got tired by Klopp ball towards the end of his reign. Not convinced by our midfield to maintain the control level at the moment due to the ease of scoring against us at times - I find it annoying.
 
Finally - I am not convinced by the little bit of Slot ball we have seen, as much as I got tired by Klopp ball towards the end of his reign. Not convinced by our midfield to maintain the control level at the moment due to the ease of scoring against us at times - I find it annoying.
*looks at CL table - looks at Moron *
*looks at PL table - looks at Moron*
*looks at LC semis - looks at Moron *
*looks at FAC next round - looks at Moron *

Sighs.
 
*looks at CL table - looks at Moron *
*looks at PL table - looks at Moron*
*looks at LC semis - looks at Moron *
*looks at FAC next round - looks at Moron *

Sighs.
It all looked the same last season as well, how did that end up for you ?
 
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