Leicester City throw Puel on the fire!

[gkmacca]

Vardy will be bombed out in my opinion.

Going there now gives him time to review the squad and where he’d like to make changes.

Maybe, but he won't want to lose many games whilst he's assessing, and they don't currently play anything like he wants them to play. A few months of poor results, players resisting him and/or sulking, and endless Brentisms, and it won't look very nice. There's zero patience these days in football. And, thanks to the Mancs, Chelski and Leicester, player power has never seemed so great. Personally, I think discussing things discreetly from a distance, and then arriving with another couple of trophies in the bag, would have been a shrewder way to start.

 

[tomasjj]

Macca is on point here. To wait it out would have been smart on many levels.

 

[Insignificance]

Macca is on point here. To wait it out would have been smart on many levels.

True. But People doesn't wait it out when they have the money in hand. They don't risk anything by jumping straight to the new challenge, rather the opposite. Players and Managers. Seldom they do the smart thing if money is on the table.

 

[gkmacca]

They don't risk anything by jumping straight to the new challenge, .

Well, with all due respect, yes they do risk something. And in fact it's more common for managers to wait than to go straight in, as far as the top division is concerned. When it's a club in the relegation zone, yes, a manager negotiates a big salary and goes straight in. But a club in the upper part of the league, that comes with a different pressure - usually plenty of scouting to be done, plenty of deals in and out, plenty of coaching, etc etc. And very little breathing space. It's actually very common for the new manager to be sounded out, plans drawn up for the summer, regular discreet discussions and analyses for a few months, then turning up officially - after a caretaker boss has taken all the blows in the meantime. Pep did that, Mourinho always does that, Conte did that, Sarri did that, Klopp almost certainly did that, the list goes on. If you go straight in at a club like Leicester, here and now, you're probably going to have to play the excuse game from day one, and after a few months of that you'll have to try to draw a line under it and start again, but these days the fans and the media rarely let you do that. And Brendan is a long-term manager - he's going talk about visions and plans and blueprints. Arriving now, with Celtic fans really pissed off in spite of all he's achieved there, and Leicester fans with very little patience and players who have already shown they'll down tools if they don't like what they're being told to do - that IS a gamble. It's a matter of opinion but I don't think it's a risk he needed to run.

 

[Insignificance]

Well, with all due respect, yes they do risk something. And in fact it's more common for managers to wait than to go straight in, as far as the top division is concerned. When it's a club in the relegation zone, yes, a manager negotiates a big salary and goes straight in. But a club in the upper part of the league, that comes with a different pressure - usually plenty of scouting to be done, plenty of deals in and out, plenty of coaching, etc etc. And very little breathing space. It's actually very common for the new manager to be sounded out, plans drawn up for the summer, regular discreet discussions and analyses for a few months, then turning up officially - after a caretaker boss has taken all the blows in the meantime. Pep did that, Mourinho always does that, Conte did that, Sarri did that, Klopp almost certainly did that, the list goes on. If you go straight in at a club like Leicester, here and now, you're probably going to have to play the excuse game from day one, and after a few months of that you'll have to try to draw a line under it and start again, but these days the fans and the media rarely let you do that. And Brendan is a long-term manager - he's going talk about visions and plans and blueprints. Arriving now, with Celtic fans really pissed off in spite of all he's achieved there, and Leicester fans with very little patience and players who have already shown they'll down tools if they don't like what they're being told to do - that IS a gamble. It's a matter of opinion but I don't think it's a risk he needed to run.

Ok. You are right. They risk something. Maybe they get fired after 4 months with their 3 year contracts to be paid out. And looking at the PardewPulisAllardyceHughesBruce etc mary-og-round we have seen over the years they have another 3 year contract long time before the generous payment of the old one has stopped.

Then you can argue that a manager like Brendan is different, and he looks long term and hence he need time and not excuses. He has a got an ok squad and if he has done any due-dill on his own part he will know what he can spend in the summer and ensure that hsi vision for a footballclub is shared with the board. If he didn't do it and they part way 15 months down the line he will still be paid generously. But he should be able to end up around 10th this season anyway.

I honestly doesn't think People who take these jobs is able to sit back a few months while a caretaker does the job. What happens if the caretaker have success? You just pile even more pressure on yourself.

Mourinho's risk by the way was that Woodward forced him to see out the contract and not cut him from his obvious misery.

 

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Vardy will be bombed out in my opinion.

Does he defend corners?

 

[MomoWASright]

I don’t think so.

 

[gkmacca]

Ok. You are right. They risk something. Maybe they get fired after 4 months with their 3 year contracts to be paid out. And looking at the PardewPulisAllardyceHughesBruce etc mary-og-round we have seen over the years they have another 3 year contract long time before the generous payment of the old one has stopped.

Then you can argue that a manager like Brendan is different, and he looks long term and hence he need time and not excuses. He has a got an ok squad and if he has done any due-dill on his own part he will know what he can spend in the summer and ensure that hsi vision for a footballclub is shared with the board. If he didn't do it and they part way 15 months down the line he will still be paid generously. But he should be able to end up around 10th this season anyway.

I honestly doesn't think People who take these jobs is able to sit back a few months while a caretaker does the job. What happens if the caretaker have success? You just pile even more pressure on yourself.

Mourinho's risk by the way was that Woodward forced him to see out the contract and not cut him from his obvious misery.

They don't 'sit back'. They're extremely active. They just protect themselves while they plan. It's Machiavellian.

As for Rodgers, he's not some very experienced manager, and he's not the apprentice he was when he came to us. He had an ambivalent time at Liverpool, then he went to the Scottish league and did brilliantly. But given the low view of the Scottish league by many in England, that kudos could easily slip away like water through his fingers if he fails at Leicester. Where would he go if that happens? Back to Scotland? Abroad? Look how quickly Moyes' reputation withered away. And Moyes is a pragmatist, he can take all kinds of jobs. Rodgers is an idealist. He can't have multiple goes at lower clubs. You make it sound like it's low risk. It isn't. It's a massive risk for his career. This HAS to work for him. And in those circumstances I don't think he needs the messiness of the next few months.

 

[doctor_mac]

Maybe, but he won't want to lose many games whilst he's assessing, and they don't currently play anything like he wants them to play. A few months of poor results, players resisting him and/or sulking, and endless Brentisms, and it won't look very nice. There's zero patience these days in football. And, thanks to the Mancs, Chelski and Leicester, player power has never seemed so great. Personally, I think discussing things discreetly from a distance, and then arriving with another couple of trophies in the bag, would have been a shrewder way to start.

I do think that Brendan grew a little shrewder as time went on though. That tippy-tappy death by football was bombed out when he had the pace and breaking ability of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling in the 'nearly' year. We were less concerned about dominating the ball than we were with playing it early and unleashing their pace. So he may well be able to be pragmatic and make use of what he has, perhaps with a long term plan to impose a particular philosophy on the team.

I do think there is a group of old timers at that club, as you say, sniggering down their sleeves at the revolving management door. He'll need to show a more powerful side to his character than we ever saw at Liverpool, where he seemed cowed by senior players.

 

[Insignificance]

They don't 'sit back'. They're extremely active. They just protect themselves while they plan. It's Machiavellian.

As for Rodgers, he's not some very experienced manager, and he's not the apprentice he was when he came to us. He had an ambivalent time at Liverpool, then he went to the Scottish league and did brilliantly. But given the low view of the Scottish league by many in England, that kudos could easily slip away like water through his fingers if he fails at Leicester. Where would he go if that happens? Back to Scotland? Abroad? Look how quickly Moyes' reputation withered away. And Moyes is a pragmatist, he can take all kinds of jobs. Rodgers is an idealist. He can't have multiple goes at lower clubs. You make it sound like it's low risk. It isn't. It's a massive risk for his career. This HAS to work for him. And in those circumstances I don't think he needs the messiness of the next few months.

It is not a massive risk. He will not have to answer for the rest of the season and he will have the summer prepared well. How big a risk for Solskjærs career was it to take Cardiff down? Noone forget a bad spell as fast as a football club in "need".

 

[gkmacca]

It is not a massive risk. He will not have to answer for the rest of the season and he will have the summer prepared well. How big a risk for Solskjærs career was it to take Cardiff down? Noone forget a bad spell as fast as a football club in "need".

That comparison is pretty forced. What had he done before that? Cardiff were doomed. Outside of Manchester and Scandoland, the babyfaced twat is no great legend. And as for 'clubs in need,' do you really think Rodgers could and would go on to be an Allardyce-style firefighter? I don't. There's a limited amount of 'projects' out there. In the top league, very few.

We'll have to agree to disagree, otherwise this and the other thread will become incredibly tedious!

 

[manwithnoname]

It is not a massive risk. He will not have to answer for the rest of the season and he will have the summer prepared well. How big a risk for Solskjærs career was it to take Cardiff down? Noone forget a bad spell as fast as a football club in "need".

Leicester are in no danger of going down really, so while I do understand why they would want a permanent manager in, rather than some interim, it's hardly make or break.

As for Rodgers, again, I can understand some of the benefits of joining now - more time with players, cash incentive, planning for summer transfer etc - but it does seem strange to badly tarnish a very impressive legacy and reputation with Celtic for the sake of three months.

I don't think on the playing side it's much of a risk - he can introduce his ideas and much-vaunted philosophy at a slower pace, and also give the current team the opportunity to play themselves in or out of contention, without interfering too much - because there's no fucking way he's going to get sacked or have the fans all over him that quickly.

As for the likes of Pep, Conte, Klopp, Mourinho all merrily planning away from the comfort of their back garden before taking over, it's a lot easier to do that when you aren't actually managing another club at the time.

 

[gkmacca]

Interesting, and lazy, elisions. As per. You know damn well what the practice is.

 

[FoxForceFive]

I think he'll do pretty well there. Leicester have a lot of quality players & have been underperforming.

If anything they're better equipped to play the bigger sides away from home than they are the majority of the league cos they play a very effective counter attacking game.

I don't think it's that hard to tweak that to make them more effective in the majority of their matches simply through a coupe of acquisitions, some quality training & tactics.