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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.
 
Haven't done the maths myself but it seems to me we've spent feck all. We received money back for Keane and have sold Alonso and Arbeloa. We sold more than we've spent for sure. This doesnt bode well if we're supposed to be strengthening. We definitely need another striker and maybe a wide player IMO
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922006#msg922006 date=1249909468]
I am with the glass half full brigade on this.
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Blimey, Vladders, you sound SO melancholic!
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35150.msg922028#msg922028 date=1249911117]
I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

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You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
 
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35150.msg922028#msg922028 date=1249911117]
I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

[/quote]

You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
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09 and 10 at least, they have to pay the £60m back by next year as per the terms of their new loan. if you think there's going to be lavish transfer spending with that looming then you're crazy, unless something changes and the yanks sell assets and suddenly become philanthropist or sell the club (or find a way of borrowing more funds) I'm not expecting anything to be spent
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

[/quote]

You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

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You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
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Go on Oncy. admit it's possible that Rebel is right.
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

[/quote]

You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
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Go on Oncy. admit it's possible that Rebel is right.
[/quote]Anything is possible.
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

[/quote]

You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
[/quote]

Go on Oncy. admit it's possible that Rebel is right.
[/quote]Anything is possible.
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Ahhh! fuck off Oncy you miserable fecker!! Cmon chief.... be optimistic man!! you backed down way to easy there pal.

Tell me i'm a miserable cunt talking gibberish and the only one who agrees is that nutter rebel and we will be signing Silva this week...

Go on.
😉
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
[/quote]

that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

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You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
[/quote]

Go on Oncy. admit it's possible that Rebel is right.
[/quote]Anything is possible.
[/quote]


Ahhh! fuck off Oncy you miserable fecker!! Cmon chief.... be optimistic man!! you backed down way to easy there pal.

Tell me i'm a miserable cunt talking gibberish and the only one who agrees is that nutter rebel and we will be signing Silva this week...

Go on.
😉
[/quote]What would be the point. You and Rebel are deranged.
You'll believe what you want to meanwhile the things that are meant to exist and happen in the world will continue to happen and exist and so it will go untill the end of time.
 
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I'm rarely with the glass half empty lot at the beginning of a new season, a new campaign - a new hope etc.

I just don't see a big signing like Silva lads. Rafa puts alot of emphasis on getting players in fairly early during preseason, as we saw with Johnson. His hand was forced on Aquilani because of the Alonso sale, and we're now scrounging around for a centre back because of injury.

I just feel that if we were in for someone like Silva there would be a bit more solid speculation about it and we'd have already made some ground with regards to negotiations.

I just don't feel it, sorry 🙁

I reckon we've got £10m - £15m. The only thing going for us is that murmurings have started in the press regarding Rafa seeking clarification over funds. If he pushes it publically, as has successfully in the past, there's a slim possibility of us seeing more funds released.

Head over heart though I think we'll bring in a centre back and a similar cost attacker.
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that's very optimistic, I reckon he can spend net zero over the next few years. unless we get new owners.

[/quote]

You win the crown!! 😱

All hail king rebel of Pessimism.

years??!! fucking hell.... hey do you think Oncy will admit its possible??

thats supreme, it really is, cant you join the optimists tho Rebel please... everyone fucking hates you normally dont they?
[/quote]You're post is gibberish.
[/quote]

Go on Oncy. admit it's possible that Rebel is right.
[/quote]Anything is possible.
[/quote]


Ahhh! fuck off Oncy you miserable fecker!! Cmon chief.... be optimistic man!! you backed down way to easy there pal.

Tell me i'm a miserable cunt talking gibberish and the only one who agrees is that nutter rebel and we will be signing Silva this week...

Go on.
😉
[/quote]What would be the point. You and Rebel are deranged.
You'll believe what you want to meanwhile the things that are meant to exist and happen in the world will continue to happen and exist and so it will go untill the end of time.
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Im not deranged, i'm just not you, the truth is the main reason I wrote all I did was to pick at the seams of that perception, almost as annoying as our financial situation is the ridiculous optimism you can regularly read regarding signings. Dooolally deaming.

Just because I fucking hate the owners doesn't make me deranged. why is it that im deranged Oncy?? What exactly have I said which is not true? A meaningless platitude of superficial depth doesn't make you right nor does it make me deranged.

Either way i just spotted your excellent post(sincerely) in the Riera thread so lets agree to disagree.... and you have me convinced roll on satdy!
 
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it's unlikely a club will be willing to release him so close to a new season.

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That's why we're going to offer them Riera/Babel/Dossena as a part-exchange.
 
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I am with the glass half full brigade on this.
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Blimey, Vladders, you sound SO melancholic!
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Eh?
The half full bit is the optimistic side of the expression, I am chipper on this and think we have money and there are things going on in the background
😀 , see.

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922006#msg922006 date=1249909468]
I am with the glass half full brigade on this.
I think we will bring in a striker and now possibly some cover in the back four.
Rafa had the Keane money up his sleeve to start with , plus sales of players, currently amounting to almost £40m. So around £55m he has spent around £33m, even if he spends another £25m, the club have had little, if any, actual outlay on new players this year, G&T would be doing cartwheels.
The Yanks may have their faults, but they are not that thick, that they don't know by now that you have to speculate to accumulate.
If we don't qualify for the CL next season, we are fucked, and so is their investment, the odd £25m here and there is pretty small change in the great scheme of things as far as that goes.
Make no mistake, Rafa has money to spend, but as has been said by a few wise sages, would be pretty daft to publicise it very loudly. G&T have always backed Rafa in the transfer market, not because they are nice guys, but because they need to.
Be prepared for a big signing, I am.



regards

PS Oncey your argument in the other thread that the Keane money does not count is a bit flawed, it is just as legitimate as any player sale money. We brought the player and we sold him
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The thing is though Vlad, I think Rafa actually thinks we have enough going forward, and that Aquaman was our version of a 'forward' player who can 'link-up' between midfield and attack like Gerrard does. I honestly think he'll be happy enough to have N'gog, Voronin and Kuyt cover for Torres when he gets broken.

Off his rocker.
 
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922006#msg922006 date=1249909468]
I am with the glass half full brigade on this.
I think we will bring in a striker and now possibly some cover in the back four.
Rafa had the Keane money up his sleeve to start with , plus sales of players, currently amounting to almost £40m. So around £55m he has spent around £33m, even if he spends another £25m, the club have had little, if any, actual outlay on new players this year, G&T would be doing cartwheels.
The Yanks may have their faults, but they are not that thick, that they don't know by now that you have to speculate to accumulate.
If we don't qualify for the CL next season, we are fucked, and so is their investment, the odd £25m here and there is pretty small change in the great scheme of things as far as that goes.
Make no mistake, Rafa has money to spend, but as has been said by a few wise sages, would be pretty daft to publicise it very loudly. G&T have always backed Rafa in the transfer market, not because they are nice guys, but because they need to.
Be prepared for a big signing, I am.



regards

PS Oncey your argument in the other thread that the Keane money does not count is a bit flawed, it is just as legitimate as any player sale money. We brought the player and we sold him
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The thing is though Vlad, I think Rafa actually thinks we have enough going forward, and that Aquaman was our version of a 'forward' player who can 'link-up' between midfield and attack like Gerrard does. I honestly think he'll be happy enough to have N'gog, Voronin and Kuyt cover for Torres when he gets broken.

Off his rocker.
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That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench

regards
 
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it's unlikely a club will be willing to release him so close to a new season.

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That's why we're going to offer them Riera/Babel/Dossena as a part-exchange.
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ha ha
 
I think it's a bit too soon to tell what the Yanks are going to do.

It would make sense (for them) to drain club finances to pay off their loans, but they've clearly shown that they consider LFC a far more important asset than their other sports acquisitions.

It's very possible that they will continue to do both; ie cut some of our spending, but also liquidate whaever assets they have left in favour of bankrolling us.

My main fury at the Yanks is that unlike Arsenal, our huge debts and interest servicing is not linked to a new stadium, but rather to the Yanks directly.

Having said that, they've done what most owners have done, save for Roman and the Arabs.

More money would be nice, but I don't know how many of us would want to become Chelsea or Man City.

I think Rebel might, since his doom-mongering is in no small way linked to being proven right (more or less) with regards Man City.

The other more insidious reason behind the ani-Yank tirades (and not particularly talking Rebel here) is probably linked to a fervent need to find excuses in case Rafa fails again this season.
 
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I think it's a bit too soon to tell what the Yanks are going to do.

It would make sense (for them) to drain club finances to pay off their loans, but they've clearly shown that they consider LFC a far more important asset than their other sports acquisitions.

It's very possible that they will continue to do both; ie cut some of our spending, but also liquidate whaever assets they have left in favour of bankrolling us.

My main fury at the Yanks is that unlike Arsenal, our huge debts and interest servicing is not linked to a new stadium, but rather to the Yanks directly.

Having said that, they've done what most owners have done, save for Roman and the Arabs.

More money would be nice, but I don't know how many of us would want to become Chelsea or Man City.

I think Rebel might, since his doom-mongering is in no small way linked to being proven right (more or less) with regards Man City.

The other more insidious reason behind the ani-Yank tirades (and not particularly talking Rebel here) is probably linked to a fervent need to find excuses in case Rafa fails again this season.
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hmmm.... just in case part of that is directed my way as a RCDNWer and a yank hater im ertainly not being nsidious or calculating, i just feel there is a damn good chance we may well need more.

I really couldnt give a fuck if it was satan himself as our manager as long as we win the league, but fwiw I reckon last season Rafa got every last drop out of that team, thats why I really hope that the optimists are right and we can get a bit more in the squad. I'd rather we were not relying on fringe players to come good this time out yet again. I also feel regardless of him stating that he wished to leave that selling Alonso was an all round bad idea and that perhaps finances has something to do with it all, we should have kept him, we would have been stronger. IMO.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35150.msg922109#msg922109 date=1249921242]
I agree with most of that,Molby; I guess time will tell regarding the Yanks.
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Well if its ticking for Rafa then it is certainly ticking for them two jokers....

I do agree with Oncys superb post in the Riera thread however and I am looking forward to Sunday rolling round, i hope we can hit the ground running, despite the injures and shitty transfer session. Last season i remember it being doom and gloom right up until we did Chelsea away and then it really went mental for a while after the Real game....

I fucking LOVED it at times last season for a sizeable chunk of the year we were the best team in the world, truly fucking dangerous in a way i hadnt seen for YEARS.
 
It seems that we've been playing catch for so long, and yet here's our big chance to take a march on our rivals and we're failing to do so.

It's not about making excuses for Rafa, it's about the huge feeling of disappointment with regards to missing a massive opportunity.

If this is indeed the case, then this latest fuck up by the yanks will be unforgivable.
 
Believe me,PM...I'd love to see better and better players coming in. 😱

We have to hope things work out,I guess.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35150.msg922098#msg922098 date=1249920133]
I think it's a bit too soon to tell what the Yanks are going to do.

It would make sense (for them) to drain club finances to pay off their loans, but they've clearly shown that they consider LFC a far more important asset than their other sports acquisitions.

It's very possible that they will continue to do both; ie cut some of our spending, but also liquidate whaever assets they have left in favour of bankrolling us.

My main fury at the Yanks is that unlike Arsenal, our huge debts and interest servicing is not linked to a new stadium, but rather to the Yanks directly.

Having said that, they've done what most owners have done, save for Roman and the Arabs.

More money would be nice, but I don't know how many of us would want to become Chelsea or Man City.

I think Rebel might, since his doom-mongering is in no small way linked to being proven right (more or less) with regards Man City.

The other more insidious reason behind the ani-Yank tirades (and not particularly talking Rebel here) is probably linked to a fervent need to find excuses in case Rafa fails again this season.
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Your assuming far too much, it's not anti Yanks if some criticise the board.
Not everything is black and white, regardless of what Yanks have done or not done, it would be great to get one more big signing before the season starts but since it's all quiet on this front and how quicly Rafa moves to get his big signings done previously (Torres/Johnson), it doesn't look likely this will happen. Whether it's done to Rafa or the board, not sure but I'm sure if it's not down to Rafa and then we are very liley to hear about it soon.
 
As I said to Oncy earlier, I'm not that optimistic over our money situation- we did make heavy losses last year thanks to the interest payments on the loans so something has to give.

I'm currently worried that we'll end up with another Lucas at the club. Lucas neill is on a free and still unsigned
 
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Rafael Benítez has given an ominous indication of Liverpool's financial state by admitting his transfer budget may not exceed what he has recouped through player sales. Ahead of a Premier League campaign of high expectations at Anfield, the Spaniard claims he is looking to existing players such as Lucas, David Ngog and Nabil El Zhar to improve last season's second place finish and win the club's first league title since 1990.

Doubts have been cast over Liverpool's spending power since American owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett agreed a refinancing package last month that involves repaying £60m of £290m debt over the next 12 months. Last week Benítez made a £6m approach for the Hull City defender Michael Turner but balked at Phil Brown's £10m valuation of the 25-year-old.

Under the terms of the five-year contract Benítez signed with Liverpool in March, £20m was to be allocated for new players this summer plus whatever he raised through sales. It now appears, however, that the Liverpool manager's budget could only amount to what he has received for Xabi Alonso, Alvaro Arbeloa and Sebastian Leto as he attempts to overhaul Manchester United in the title race.

Benítez has so far spent a headline figure of £37m on Glen Johnson and Alberto Aquilani, although the £17m fee for the former Portsmouth defender has been recouped by selling Leto, Arbeloa, Jack Hobbs, Paul Anderson plus money from Robbie Keane's return to Tottenham Hotspur in January. He now has to ask the club's owners whether the £10m profit he made on the £30m sale of Alonso to Real Madrid and the £20m signing of Aquilani from Roma will be reinvested this summer, a situation that casts serious doubt on his ability to add the likes of Valencia's David Silva to his search for defensive cover.

"We have to work with the players we have at this moment and keep working with the scouting department," said Benítez , who saw his team lose their final pre-season friendly 2-1 to Atletico Madrid at Anfield on Saturday. "We had some money but I will not talk about figures. When you talk about the figures I think it is clear. I will not say anything. I don't have the answer. We are working hard with the players we have and the money we have. Always it is difficult to compete in the Premier League with clubs who have more money."

The Liverpool manager refused to confirm that Hicks and Gillett have revised his transfer budget but admitted he is uncertain as to what he has left to spend. "We will see," he said. "We are talking about these things. We are working always. We try to be ready just in case [we can sign someone], but you never know. It depends on the prices. It is something I have to talk with the club about. We have some ideas and we have to discuss these ideas."

Benítez revealed he is seeking improvement within the Liverpool ranks for this season's title challenge, and believes the acquisition of Aquilani will provide greater penetration at home. He explained: "To sign better players than we have now is not easy. If you analyse it you have to spend big, big money to sign these players. We have to manage with the players we have and I am pleased with them and hopefully with the experience of last season they will be better.

"I think we have some young players who need to improve, [Mikel] San Jose, [Daniel] Ayala, but also Ngog, Nabil, [Ryan] Babel and Lucas; young players with quality. The priority [this summer] was to extend the contract of the senior players to make sure we kept the spine of the team. Alonso decided he wanted to go. He told me in May he wanted to leave. We had to keep working and I think the price at the end was good. With this money we have brought in Aquilani. We knew he had an operation, but we wanted to change a little bit the games at home when the opposition is deep and it is not easy to give the final pass. Aquilani will be good there. The other players we have to wait and see how they progress in the season."

Aquilani made only 14 appearances for Roma last season because of an ankle injury that required surgery in May and will delay the Italian midfielder's Liverpool debut until at least a month into the new season. The 25-year-old was also sidelined two seasons ago with a serious thigh strain, but Benítez denied the £20m deal represents a gamble.

"We couldn't change the situation of Alonso. He decided to go, we had to progress. You have to manage in the best way you can," the Liverpool manager said. "If Aquilani was in a normal market he could cost £25m-£30m but because of his operation he was a bit cheaper. We have to wait but he is a player we are signing for five years, not for five matches. I was talking with a lot of people in Italy and people are saying it is a fantastic signing. He is now under the control of our medical staff because he had been going to different people. I think it will be better and he has the quality to settle down in England."

Benítez has an added headache ahead of Sunday's opener at Tottenham with all three of his established central defenders - Jamie Carragher, Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel – injury doubts. Carragher is awaiting results of a scan on an ankle injury sustained against Atletico on Saturday, while Agger has a back problem and Skrtel is recovering from a hamstring strain but has now returned to light training. "I am 80% sure we will have two available for the next game," he said.


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[/quote]Those figures dont even make sense.
He's recieved 30m, 3.5m and 3m for the 3 players sold.
And so far PAID OUT 8m for Johnson (thats actual money out this transfer window) and 5m for Aquilani (according to the figure in another thread released by Roma) so even if the suggested 20m kitty were removed to service the debt.
That would still leave 23m of the money from sales.
Bottom line is the press know 2 bits of fuck all, and as usual spin Rafa saying 'we will see' into doom and fucking gloom in comparison with Fergie saying 'we wont sign anyone' and the press fawning over a fucking has been crock and a winger from Wigan.
Fucking bollocks. We may or may not sign anyone else but regardless the press will be after ruining us. Fuck em.
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I don't know. For me, Rafa's quotes have the scent of someone trying, in a roundabout way, to inform fans that he can only operate under the restrictions placed on him by the owners. In much the same way as he's voiced his concerns in the past, only in a less provocative way. He knows expectations are high after a strong season, particularly after the lucrative sale of Alonso, and the transfer funds that many fans presume to be available. It sounds to me like he's trying to set the record straight, and reign people in a little.

I hope I'm wrong though.
 
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That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench

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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.

I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.

Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
 
Yeah, but RVN wont be needed *touch wood* until Torres is out or needs resting, hopefully *touch wood again* that's a way off.

If we signed Silva, RVN & Turner I'd make jizz in my jeans.
 
Who was the player Rafa tried to sign on the last day of the transfer season last year ?

Could be a hold your breath moment on 31st again (or 1st if they change the date).
 
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