I seem to remember Milner and Solano during different windows but I could be wrong.
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Let's hope he does it with slightly more time to spare.
Also, if money is tight, it makes sense to delay things to save on huge wage costs.
Also, if money is tight, it makes sense to delay things to save on huge wage costs.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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That kind of confidence is almost absurd. We made a considerable loss last year and secured a refinancing package that reportedly required us to pay off a significant portion of our debt. Do you assume that G&H have paid for all of this out of their own pocket? Because it would be very uncharacteristic if they have.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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That kind of confidence is almost absurd. We made a considerable loss last year and secured a refinancing package that reportedly required us to pay off a significant portion of our debt. Do you assume that G&H have paid for all of this out of their own pocket? Because it would be very uncharacteristic if they have.
I think Del's on the ball, as I've reiterated elsewhere, this is Rafa's way of saying there may be a problem, and perhaps his way of pressurising the owners, as we've seen him do many times before.
I think people expecting a Silva are going to be disappointed, if we were in a position to be in for him we'd know about it and any sort of approach would have been made earlier in the Summer. We've heard nothing other than the odd tenuous link in the press. I've no doubt we'd like him, but whether we're in a position to buy him is a completely different question.
I think people expecting a Silva are going to be disappointed, if we were in a position to be in for him we'd know about it and any sort of approach would have been made earlier in the Summer. We've heard nothing other than the odd tenuous link in the press. I've no doubt we'd like him, but whether we're in a position to buy him is a completely different question.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922162#msg922162 date=1249933623]
Let's see Del.
There was a budget, without a doubt, we just don't know what it was. So far we have dipped not a single dirty digit into it. I'm confident.
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If the money was there, I don't see why we would wait until this late to spend it. Rafa made a big speech early in the transfer window about how important it was to get the deals done early. While I wouldn't be surprised to see some defensive cover and perhaps a bargain basement attacking player brought in, I think assuming that we have something big hidden up our sleeve may leave you feeling considerably underwhelmed.
Let's see Del.
There was a budget, without a doubt, we just don't know what it was. So far we have dipped not a single dirty digit into it. I'm confident.
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If the money was there, I don't see why we would wait until this late to spend it. Rafa made a big speech early in the transfer window about how important it was to get the deals done early. While I wouldn't be surprised to see some defensive cover and perhaps a bargain basement attacking player brought in, I think assuming that we have something big hidden up our sleeve may leave you feeling considerably underwhelmed.
i'm going back and forth about this. rafa was told he had money to spend as he said we could get another player, before selling, after we signed johnson. who knows what kind of player he meant, but it at least indicates he had an idea about the funds he had. we still have 10 mill left over from the alonso/aquilani deal so, unless something has changed, it is safe to say we have a bare minimum of 15 mill to spend. i would say it's unthinkable for a top club to have no kitty but arsenal have been doing it for a few yeras now. if rafa wasn't after a centre back then i'd be more optimistic about a significant attacking player being signed.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922166#msg922166 date=1249934051]
Mark - Rafa has already said he made an approach for Silva earlier thsi Summer but Valencia were asking crazy money. This could be a classic game of chicken.
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Earlier this Summer could mean alot of things though. Last season, by all accounts,, his first choice was Barry, another target was Keane, with the former being the priority. So what if Silva was his priority, with Johnson another target but one that he would only go for if Silva was a no go?
It's all perfectly feasible. If he's got (say) £30m to spend but he knows Silva is likely to cost £20m and Johnson £17m, why wouldn't he have multiple options - Silva and a £10m< right back, or Johnson and £10 to spend elsewhere on the team.
I'd love it to be true, that the money is there and he's within our budget, I don't want to sound like a miserable sod, but I just don't see it, from Rafa's comments and the lack of media attention.
Mark - Rafa has already said he made an approach for Silva earlier thsi Summer but Valencia were asking crazy money. This could be a classic game of chicken.
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Earlier this Summer could mean alot of things though. Last season, by all accounts,, his first choice was Barry, another target was Keane, with the former being the priority. So what if Silva was his priority, with Johnson another target but one that he would only go for if Silva was a no go?
It's all perfectly feasible. If he's got (say) £30m to spend but he knows Silva is likely to cost £20m and Johnson £17m, why wouldn't he have multiple options - Silva and a £10m< right back, or Johnson and £10 to spend elsewhere on the team.
I'd love it to be true, that the money is there and he's within our budget, I don't want to sound like a miserable sod, but I just don't see it, from Rafa's comments and the lack of media attention.
I'm generally a pessimist but in this case I feel a bit positive.
I was surprised when we found the money for Torres and the money for Keane so what's to say I won't be surprised a third time.
Despite what people say about our owners, they've been quite good so far when it comes to providing cash and seem to understand that the team is an asset requiring continuous investment if the club is to retain or increase its value. I can't imagine it's not in their business plan (assuming that plan isn't shot to hell be prevailing economic circumstances).
I like to think we're just a lot better than we used to be about keeping the contents of our wallet to ourselves and we're being just as canny in our purchasing policy as in our sales.
I appreciate what Rafa has said in the past about the need to make purchases early but I take it with a pinch of salt - I can't imagine he wouldn't be prepared until late to make a purchase if he thought the price would be reduced and he could end up getting more players in the medium term.
In this particular case, I wouldn't be surprised if we all get a major shock one morning and find we've signed someone like Forlan or Young.
I was surprised when we found the money for Torres and the money for Keane so what's to say I won't be surprised a third time.
Despite what people say about our owners, they've been quite good so far when it comes to providing cash and seem to understand that the team is an asset requiring continuous investment if the club is to retain or increase its value. I can't imagine it's not in their business plan (assuming that plan isn't shot to hell be prevailing economic circumstances).
I like to think we're just a lot better than we used to be about keeping the contents of our wallet to ourselves and we're being just as canny in our purchasing policy as in our sales.
I appreciate what Rafa has said in the past about the need to make purchases early but I take it with a pinch of salt - I can't imagine he wouldn't be prepared until late to make a purchase if he thought the price would be reduced and he could end up getting more players in the medium term.
In this particular case, I wouldn't be surprised if we all get a major shock one morning and find we've signed someone like Forlan or Young.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922156#msg922156 date=1249933001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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Nailed on? Are you the forum's new "insider"?
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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Nailed on? Are you the forum's new "insider"?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35150.msg922118#msg922118 date=1249922720]
As I said to Oncy earlier, I'm not that optimistic over our money situation- we did make heavy losses last year thanks to the interest payments on the loans so something has to give.
I'm currently worried that we'll end up with another Lucas at the club. Lucas neill is on a free and still unsigned
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the thing is, though, those interest payments aren't operating costs: they're really a cost of the owners rather than the club. the fact that they're charged to the club is beneficial because they generate losses for tax purposes. yes, in strict legal terms we're making losses, but they are all part - one would presume - of the owners' plan for the long-term return they hope to make. they don't mean we don't have any money. they don't even mean the owners don't have any money.
they're irrelevant, really. the big deal is just how much the financial climate is affecting the owners: for example, i'm not sure this requirement to repay £30m of the capital was always part of the plan. if not then that would certainly be likely to squeeze our tranfer budget pretty tightly.
As I said to Oncy earlier, I'm not that optimistic over our money situation- we did make heavy losses last year thanks to the interest payments on the loans so something has to give.
I'm currently worried that we'll end up with another Lucas at the club. Lucas neill is on a free and still unsigned
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the thing is, though, those interest payments aren't operating costs: they're really a cost of the owners rather than the club. the fact that they're charged to the club is beneficial because they generate losses for tax purposes. yes, in strict legal terms we're making losses, but they are all part - one would presume - of the owners' plan for the long-term return they hope to make. they don't mean we don't have any money. they don't even mean the owners don't have any money.
they're irrelevant, really. the big deal is just how much the financial climate is affecting the owners: for example, i'm not sure this requirement to repay £30m of the capital was always part of the plan. if not then that would certainly be likely to squeeze our tranfer budget pretty tightly.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922156#msg922156 date=1249933001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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We were reffering to forwards , not some form of utility player that can play left, right or in the hole,
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
[/quote]
You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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We were reffering to forwards , not some form of utility player that can play left, right or in the hole,
regards
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922188#msg922188 date=1249937607]
Nailed On. Absolutely. Without a Doubt. Bookies no longer taking bets. #7 has been assigned.
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I do find it interesting Silva is odds on at the bookies TBH.
Nailed On. Absolutely. Without a Doubt. Bookies no longer taking bets. #7 has been assigned.
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I do find it interesting Silva is odds on at the bookies TBH.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922204#msg922204 date=1249939129]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922156#msg922156 date=1249933001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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We were reffering to forwards , not some form of utility player that can play left, right or in the hole,
regards
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Oops. Well most on here regard LM as the most important slot to fill and I assumed that is what you meant. You know what they say about assume. Anyway I do still agree we need a back up striker ... too.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922156#msg922156 date=1249933001]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg922076#msg922076 date=1249916283]
That is what is at the back of my mind, the only saving grace to that is that Nemeth might come into the equation.
My optimistic side says that he knows this is our Achilles heal and will sort it out before the end of the window. If we can't get a top talent then someone who has seen better days and might be happy to spend some time on the bench
regards
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You don't need optimism for that. You KNOW he was after Silva because he's admitted it - hence your statement is fact not theory.
I still think we will see at least 2 players before the end of August. It is taking longer because Valencia are playing hard ball and holding out until the 90th minute. They still need cash and have sold just one player so far.
Silva & Turner are nailed on. I'd like to see a loan or oldie striker brought in too. RvN would be my choice but is not an option as he's still injured and has missed all pre-season.
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We were reffering to forwards , not some form of utility player that can play left, right or in the hole,
regards
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Oops. Well most on here regard LM as the most important slot to fill and I assumed that is what you meant. You know what they say about assume. Anyway I do still agree we need a back up striker ... too.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=35150.msg922132#msg922132 date=1249928080]
I don't know. For me, Rafa's quotes have the scent of someone trying, in a roundabout way, to inform fans that he can only operate under the restrictions placed on him by the owners. In much the same way as he's voiced his concerns in the past, only in a less provocative way. He knows expectations are high after a strong season, particularly after the lucrative sale of Alonso, and the transfer funds that many fans presume to be available. It sounds to me like he's trying to set the record straight, and reign people in a little.
I hope I'm wrong though.
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That's the way I see it as well and I also hope you're wrong.
I don't know. For me, Rafa's quotes have the scent of someone trying, in a roundabout way, to inform fans that he can only operate under the restrictions placed on him by the owners. In much the same way as he's voiced his concerns in the past, only in a less provocative way. He knows expectations are high after a strong season, particularly after the lucrative sale of Alonso, and the transfer funds that many fans presume to be available. It sounds to me like he's trying to set the record straight, and reign people in a little.
I hope I'm wrong though.
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That's the way I see it as well and I also hope you're wrong.
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922188#msg922188 date=1249937607]
Nailed On. Absolutely. Without a Doubt. Bookies no longer taking bets. #7 has been assigned.
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I do find it interesting Silva is odds on at the bookies TBH.
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It is odd how low key it is though after the Ribery hysteria.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35150.msg922188#msg922188 date=1249937607]
Nailed On. Absolutely. Without a Doubt. Bookies no longer taking bets. #7 has been assigned.
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I do find it interesting Silva is odds on at the bookies TBH.
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It is odd how low key it is though after the Ribery hysteria.
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=35150.msg922159#msg922159 date=1249933401]
I seem to remember Milner and Solano during different windows but I could be wrong.
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Defoe too,I think.
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All qaulity compared to Stelios Giannafuckingkopoulos.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=35150.msg922159#msg922159 date=1249933401]
I seem to remember Milner and Solano during different windows but I could be wrong.
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Defoe too,I think.
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All qaulity compared to Stelios Giannafuckingkopoulos.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35150.msg922260#msg922260 date=1249955413]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=35150.msg922159#msg922159 date=1249933401]
I seem to remember Milner and Solano during different windows but I could be wrong.
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Defoe too,I think.
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Nooo. I really like Defoe. I think hes ace.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=35150.msg922159#msg922159 date=1249933401]
I seem to remember Milner and Solano during different windows but I could be wrong.
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Defoe too,I think.
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Nooo. I really like Defoe. I think hes ace.
rafa sounds like he has money. says he has a budget.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35150.msg923732#msg923732 date=1250175281]
rafa sounds like he has money. says he has a budget.
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Budget can mean small budget.
rafa sounds like he has money. says he has a budget.
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Budget can mean small budget.
[quote author=Skullflower link=topic=35150.msg923732#msg923732 date=1250175281]
rafa sounds like he has money. says he has a budget.
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Where's this interview?
rafa sounds like he has money. says he has a budget.
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Where's this interview?
When does the transfer window close
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31st August , unless that is a weekend, which it aint, it's a Monday
regards
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35150.msg923756#msg923756 date=1250178100]
31st August , unless that is a weekend, which it aint, it's a Monday
regards
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There was talk of moving it forward to 1st September as there is a UK Bank Holiday on the 31st ? Is there ?
31st August , unless that is a weekend, which it aint, it's a Monday
regards
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There was talk of moving it forward to 1st September as there is a UK Bank Holiday on the 31st ? Is there ?
yep.
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