I understand what you're saying Macca, and I'm not implying that any skill can be improved simply by putting in extra work, but adding muscle isn't in that category (if that is indeed Lallana 'problem').
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I understand what you're saying Macca, and I'm not implying that any skill can be improved simply by putting in extra work, but adding muscle isn't in that category (if that is indeed Lallana 'problem').
So now that the lack of a full pre- season excuse is gone we're making up new ones?
I'm still predicting he's in the Championship by the time he's 30. He's not.getting any better.
Nothing of the sort, drop your agenda. People are saying he needs to bulk up, I'm saying if that is the case then it should be easily achievable.
It's complex. There's far too many things to factor in. You can work on general fitness, half of the issue with strength is stamina, you build up your match fitness and you work to increase your ability to cover ground over long and short distances, to be sharp and first to the ball. Half the battle isn't out-muscling your opponent, it's about being quicker in the the first instance to give you a standing chance. But then this includes game intelligence too, you've got to be sharp in mind to react.
Coutinho has pace to get himself away from players when he turns them inside out, over that first yard or two he has that ability to break away enough to get in full flow and either release the ball, or run at teams and force them onto the back foot. I think Lallana does that fairly well too when he's fully fit and sharp, which i think last night went some way towards. His biggest issue for me isn't so much his strength (collectively it might be a problem, but individually it's not), it's his ability to do all the good work, by getting himself out of tight areas and into good positions on the offensive, only to then lack that instinct to pick the right pass or go for the right option. He can do it, but he doesn't do it enough.
Coutinho suffers from the same issue, but he has that extra bit of class at times in terms of vision and the ability to pull something out the bag. Both are really good players who will be important for us this season, but it's crucial that they both smooth out their rough edges. Like I say though, I don't think strength is the big issue here.
If I had an agenda I'd be making stuff up constantly to bolster my opinion.
But you're the one doing that.
I've constantly said Lallana is just not particulalry good and he keeps reinforcing that when he plays. That's not my fault
You're a troll. I haven't made up anything or changed my view of anything, I've commented on someone else's POV.
I don't think you understand what a troll is.
I'm not saying you've changed your mind, you keep finding new excuses as to why Lallana is no good. To do that is to have an agenda.
I simply have an opinion, and Lallana is proving it correct
I thought I was going mad when I saw the first few posts.
Thought he was loads better tonight. Could with with an extra yard of pace, but that will come with fitness. Good tracking back at times too.
Absolutely. As so often on here and elsewhere, some folks make their minds up about a player, then cling on to their original thoughts for grim death - bugger what's actually happening in front of them.
You see this is why you're such a troll. I haven't made up any excuses at all - I was giving a solution to someone's suggestion he should bulk up. 'Excuses' in the plural - name another one ?
Put your brain into gear, or at least read through the thread, before jumping in with your size 16s next time.
He frustrated me in the first half as I thought he was a bit of a passenger (along with Ibe, who I give more latitude to on the basis of youth). However, he came into the game in the second half, and increasingly so as it went on (more space once Coutinho departed/benefit of tired legs in the opposition?). I still feel his performance was a bit more "not as shit as normal" rather than excellent in its own right, but i'm hoping this is a sign of better things to come.
On a separate note: 1) the full backs were fucking ace 2) if Brendan insists on playing the 2 clowns at CB, he's going to have to seriously consider buying a DM.... at this point I'd accept Alex-fucking-Song
On a separate note: 1) the full backs were fucking ace 2) if Brendan insists on playing the 2 clowns at CB, he's going to have to seriously consider buying a DM.... at this point I'd accept Alex-fucking-Song
Stop talking about Rosco like that. Anyone would think he lacks objectivity.
I thought he was decent tonight. Retained possession and did a lot of defensive dog work. Always creates space for himself with his silky turns and touches. I like him, we paid an inflated fee but he is a good player. I enjoy watching him play. I am a sucker for slick, technical players though.
From ReadLFC. A bit OTT like 😀
Adam Lallana, 7: Lallana’s movement is next level. The amount of times I watched him spin a defender and sprint into open space that’d gone unnoticed from a Bournemouth point of view was too high to remember. His work rate, as always, was immense. His touch was silk and his he put it together in the final third tonight. It’s great to see Lallana play the full 90.
Adam Lallana, 7: Lallana’s movement is next level. The amount of times I watched him spin a defender and sprint into open space that’d gone unnoticed from a Bournemouth point of view was too high to remember. His work rate, as always, was immense. His touch was silk and his he put it together in the final third tonight. It’s great to see Lallana play the full 90.
First half he was poor, then from about 55-75 he was a lot better.
My issue with him is that I cannot see his position in the team, he is too slow in everything he does. Yes he tracks back and gives his all but he just lacks in everything - that isn't me saying he is shite he is just not good enough all around to be a success in the way Rodgers wants his team to play. Someone like bournmouth who just play keep ball he would be great but he is just isn't good enough for us.
Happy for him to be a squad player and nothing more...that is all he should be.
My issue with him is that I cannot see his position in the team, he is too slow in everything he does. Yes he tracks back and gives his all but he just lacks in everything - that isn't me saying he is shite he is just not good enough all around to be a success in the way Rodgers wants his team to play. Someone like bournmouth who just play keep ball he would be great but he is just isn't good enough for us.
Happy for him to be a squad player and nothing more...that is all he should be.
He works hard, I'll give him that. But that should be expected of every player. In an attacking sense he wasn't great. He did well defensively a couple of times, but let's not go overboard. Physically, he's like a 12 year old boy out there. He's slow and he's weak and he keeps getting found out. And as others have pointed out, he chews the ball for too long and then the available passes are gone. He has a nice touch though, and is really good at Cruyff turns so...
Thing is, he's pretty anonymous most the game but then will go on a dazzling run or show snippets of great touches, turns etc.
It's just not consistent enough and you get the impression he doesn't really back himself, which is strange really because he has the ability to do more and give more of an account of his actual ability.
Its a crying shame we don't see it more.
I really hope Firmino is everything he's not atm.
No, you just watch a different game to what everyone else does!
He had more of a positive impact on the game than Ibe.
Deluded
He's improved his fitness, which is a plus, but he's STILL not imposing himself on games.
For all his silky touches and skill, little comes from them. He's clearly got the ability,so it's odd.
He's pushed over too easily and holds the ball too long. We should be getting more considering the cost
For all his silky touches and skill, little comes from them. He's clearly got the ability,so it's odd.
He's pushed over too easily and holds the ball too long. We should be getting more considering the cost
Funny how so many of you stag off that readlfc comment when it quite obviously refers to the one thing you can't see on telly being his best quality.
I didn't go the game, so don't know if it's true, but if he was continually finding space & making runs then it'd fucking delight me too, cos we have no one else doing that in the centre of the pitch now Stevie has gone.
I thought he was anonymous most of the first half, but was extremely good second half.
I do share the concern about physicality but it's odd, cos he can win the ball in a standing tackle & use his body to do so, but if he has possession he is often easily shrugged of it.
I suspect it's a combination of where his upper body strength is & his stance.
I didn't go the game, so don't know if it's true, but if he was continually finding space & making runs then it'd fucking delight me too, cos we have no one else doing that in the centre of the pitch now Stevie has gone.
I thought he was anonymous most of the first half, but was extremely good second half.
I do share the concern about physicality but it's odd, cos he can win the ball in a standing tackle & use his body to do so, but if he has possession he is often easily shrugged of it.
I suspect it's a combination of where his upper body strength is & his stance.
I must confess I don't really get the "holds onto it for too long" criticism. I'll have to start paying attention more to see if it holds true.
Even if it's true though there are mitigating circumstances - half the time there aren't very many good options available to the man with the ball.
I was a little harsh on Ibe at the weekend but he was often given the ball only for his team-mates to just sort of sit back, watch and wait -"there you go, make something happen" - whilst he gets doubled on.
Even if it's true though there are mitigating circumstances - half the time there aren't very many good options available to the man with the ball.
I was a little harsh on Ibe at the weekend but he was often given the ball only for his team-mates to just sort of sit back, watch and wait -"there you go, make something happen" - whilst he gets doubled on.
It's cos he then had the space to run into it ahead of him, whereas further up we didn't have much movement to create that space.
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