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Ok - just spent the evening with my brother in-laws - most of us are LFC supporters and it was like a funeral at times this evening discussing the game. I am depressed about the whole thing - a big missed opportunity. Put aside Karius blunders and the key moment is Salah going off and in his place comes Lallana. This is the moment where it really went wrong.

You can argue Klopp had no one on the bench - but really ? - this is all down to him. He loaned out Sturridge, Origi, and did not include Woodburn as a sub in the final. So in truth there was no like for like substitution available other than to try out Solanke who is a forward player but still he did not go for him. Don't give a fuck now - this was his mistake - we have played 4-3-3 nearly all season, and by bringing on an unfit Lallana he fucked up massively - the guy made absolutely no difference to our play. His obsession with Lallana is the same type of shit we had with Ged, and Rafa regarding some favorite player over use of proper logic in crucial games. My question is - why have these players in the squad if you are never going to use them ? why Klopp ? what's the fucking point.

Many of you on here argue we need world class this and that on the bench but the truth is that will NEVER work and it does not work for any team. The fact that Bale was on the bench in that game was more to do with his indifferent form this season and injury record with possible transfer to another club - Madrid always treat any of their star players like this when they want to hint - "you should move on now". No world class player is going to be happy sitting on the bench be it Man City/United/Arsenal/Chelsea/Barca/R.Madrid. Best talent for the bench are those that would be world class but for injuries and other issues. But the main issue for us is that Klopp likes to have this light squad thing - which is good but useless if you have replacements for each position which you are NOT willing to use. To me it does not make sense and before you say Woodburn/Solanke don't have experience enough - so fucking what ? - we threw TAA in against Manchester United last season so what's the fucking big deal and Woodburn has played in internationals too.

After watching the after match press conference with Klopp - it feels like the media have a complete luv-in with him. In fact there was no mention of another cup final loss (6 in a row) - I think they will all start wanting for him to win and the whole world can celebrate then. But as a club it is becoming embarrassing for us we have lost like 5 of the last 6 finals we have been in. This is like not bad but utter shit. Many of the players in our team have now lost in three cup finals - that is a massive confidence scar to take - I am starting to think that some are just pure bad luck - especially the midfielders. Can going is a start, but I think we should get rid of Lallana too. Give Grujic a chance - start fresh, and get a strong mother-fucker in the team to compete for the ball when the opposition try and overrun us. That said - despite all the bravado and confidence that Klopp has - I don't believe for one moment he is not scarred by yet another cup final defeat. Surely it must be playing on his mind ?
 
No manager can be blamed for the howlers that Karius made.

We were unlucky going into the match not to have AOC and Can, so from the getgo we were at a disadvantage.

To your points; Origi's form has been abysmal and Studge has been injured (unsurprisingly). Lallana, I would agree if we got a decent price for him I would sell, he is still very rusty and on the wrong side of 30.

Salah's injury looks premeditated going by the reaction on Ramos's face (as Salah was escorted off).

I'm proud the team made it to the final, which is progress for me, winning it would have been a huge bonus.
Klopp must learn from this season and must recruit properly. Next season if we do meet Real, they're going to be in for a thumping, as I expect Klopp to make the attack even faster.
 
Don_al_Trump said:
No manager can be blamed for the howlers that Karius made.

We were unlucky going into the match not to have AOC and Can, so from the getgo we were at a disadvantage.

To your points; Origi's form has been abysmal and Studge has been injured (unsurprisingly). Lallana, I would agree if we got a decent price for him I would sell, he is still very rusty and on the wrong side of 30.

Salah's injury looks premeditated going by the reaction on Ramos's face (as Salah was escorted off).

I'm proud the team made it to the final, which is progress for me, winning it would have been a huge bonus.
Klopp must learn from this season and must recruit properly. Next season if we do meet Real, they're going to be in for a thumping, as I expect Klopp to make the attack even faster.
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I said put aside the Karius faults, forget AOC, and Can - yes we were limited in that department but he made zero effort on dealing with any blows to any of our front three. If we had a sub that could at least offer pace or something up front to hold it up then maybe Karius and our midfield don't get temporarily overrun.

The risks been taken towards the end of the season where he was forced to play them and not use Solanke or Woodburn to get them match ready was just silly. If you are going to loan out experienced front men in Studge/Origi then at least have backup that you intend to use and not just use them so that a bench can feel an arse on it. In three seasons you could argue he has never had subs that he could properly use or want to use. After watching him in that post game celebration with that German band makes me wonder is he since his Dortmund days someone who actually wants this team to badly win in a psychotic manner like Pep/Jose - or is his remit just to ensure top 4 and a few cup finals (win/lose ?).
 
I’m happy that he waits for the one (from a short list) rather than getting a lower quality player just for the sake of buying someone. That’s why we used to have a bloated squad of shite we couldn’t get rid of.

Oxlade-Chamberlain would have made a huge difference on Saturday but a freak injury meant it wasn’t to be. Before anyone goes on about his injury record this wasn’t a muscle strain or tear but a really nasty unpredictable injury.

If we keep our top players bringing in Keita makes us stronger. Add 3 more then we look a genuine challenger.
 
moron said:
Ok - just spent the evening with my brother in-laws - most of us are LFC supporters and it was like a funeral at times this evening discussing the game. I am depressed about the whole thing - a big missed opportunity. Put aside Karius blunders and the key moment is Salah going off and in his place comes Lallana. This is the moment where it really went wrong.

You can argue Klopp had no one on the bench - but really ? - this is all down to him. He loaned out Sturridge, Origi, and did not include Woodburn as a sub in the final. So in truth there was no like for like substitution available other than to try out Solanke who is a forward player but still he did not go for him. Don't give a fuck now - this was his mistake - we have played 4-3-3 nearly all season, and by bringing on an unfit Lallana he fucked up massively - the guy made absolutely no difference to our play. His obsession with Lallana is the same type of shit we had with Ged, and Rafa regarding some favorite player over use of proper logic in crucial games. My question is - why have these players in the squad if you are never going to use them ? why Klopp ? what's the fucking point.

Many of you on here argue we need world class this and that on the bench but the truth is that will NEVER work and it does not work for any team. The fact that Bale was on the bench in that game was more to do with his indifferent form this season and injury record with possible transfer to another club - Madrid always treat any of their star players like this when they want to hint - "you should move on now". No world class player is going to be happy sitting on the bench be it Man City/United/Arsenal/Chelsea/Barca/R.Madrid. Best talent for the bench are those that would be world class but for injuries and other issues. But the main issue for us is that Klopp likes to have this light squad thing - which is good but useless if you have replacements for each position which you are NOT willing to use. To me it does not make sense and before you say Woodburn/Solanke don't have experience enough - so fucking what ? - we threw TAA in against Manchester United last season so what's the fucking big deal and Woodburn has played in internationals too.

After watching the after match press conference with Klopp - it feels like the media have a complete luv-in with him. In fact there was no mention of another cup final loss (6 in a row) - I think they will all start wanting for him to win and the whole world can celebrate then. But as a club it is becoming embarrassing for us we have lost like 5 of the last 6 finals we have been in. This is like not bad but utter shit. Many of the players in our team have now lost in three cup finals - that is a massive confidence scar to take - I am starting to think that some are just pure bad luck - especially the midfielders. Can going is a start, but I think we should get rid of Lallana too. Give Grujic a chance - start fresh, and get a strong mother-fucker in the team to compete for the ball when the opposition try and overrun us. That said - despite all the bravado and confidence that Klopp has - I don't believe for one moment he is not scarred by yet another cup final defeat. Surely it must be playing on his mind ?
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Sorry but that is absolute fucking garbage and I couldn't disagree more

It is Klopp's fault?? What are we blaming him for exactly??

That we made the fucking final playing some blinding footy?

But we've been losing finals...OOh look we've been losing the finals... It must be Klopp's fault we lost to city in the mickey mouse cup.. on penalties... but yeah City are shit eh... We should have beaten Sevilla, and we did outplay them first half, but then Moreno ( not purchased by Klopp) fucked up instantly in the start of the second half and the wind filled their sails and they beat us... A considerably better version of Sevilla, I might add, than the one United played this year... how did United get on against them??

It's Klopp's fault that we are back in the CL we've been abs ent from for most of the past ten years... but we certainly weren't absent this year were we.

Was it Klopp's squad gamble that cost us? Maybe...

But then maybe just MAYBE, Coutinho wanted to fuck off and wouldn't be told different... Maybe we should have just gone and tried to buy another CB and not waited on VVD... I myself didn't want Coutinho sold and neither did Klopp but that terrible gamble of Klopp's, how did it go?? are we out of the CL next year??

Perhaps Klopp should have expected that 3 key midfielders and 1 key defender would have lengthy injuries and he should have kept Grujic on the bench not learning the game here while sitting on the bench... keeping hold of Studge?? Well Studge was tearing up trees at West Brom wasn't he.. while at home on gardening leave..

I personally reckon reminding the manager that he's lost 6 finals is probably not the most encouraging or supportive thing a fan could say is it... it just isn't very encouraging is it? Maybe i'm a journo on a love in...

But it is true, I am an actual fan of the team and of the manager and how he has got em playing...

Personally I'd prefer to congratulate him on dragging a squad back into the CL league all the way to a final playing some grand footy that is a pleasure to watch, congratulate him for fashioning a team that never fucking quit even when they lost their best attacker early doors in the final and never fucking quit when the Goaly decided to fuck up and even after the opposition scored a Worldy...

The goaly however... that is partially Klopp's fault... the useless Kraut cunt
 
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Klopp needs the money to build a squad.

He will then win finals..

Every single one of those finals he lost, he had lack of squad depth

2 big European finals in 3 years and the lack of options from the bench are horrendous
 
moron said:
Ok - just spent the evening with my brother in-laws - most of us are LFC supporters and it was like a funeral at times this evening discussing the game. I am depressed about the whole thing - a big missed opportunity. Put aside Karius blunders and the key moment is Salah going off and in his place comes Lallana. This is the moment where it really went wrong.
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You can't just blithely do that, surely? Unless youhave an agenda. Those were major game-changing errors.
 
moron said:
I said put aside the Karius faults, forget AOC, and Can - yes we were limited in that department but he made zero effort on dealing with any blows to any of our front three. If we had a sub that could at least offer pace or something up front to hold it up then maybe Karius and our midfield don't get temporarily overrun.

The risks been taken towards the end of the season where he was forced to play them and not use Solanke or Woodburn to get them match ready was just silly. If you are going to loan out experienced front men in Studge/Origi then at least have backup that you intend to use and not just use them so that a bench can feel an arse on it. In three seasons you could argue he has never had subs that he could properly use or want to use. After watching him in that post game celebration with that German band makes me wonder is he since his Dortmund days someone who actually wants this team to badly win in a psychotic manner like Pep/Jose - or is his remit just to ensure top 4 and a few cup finals (win/lose ?).
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Your argument is like a man in court who's been charged with murder, and his defence is "Forget about the murder, that's not important...."
It's not solely Klopp's responsibility but let's look at it from the start of the season; We had a large squad, in strikers we had 5, Origi was not going to get a look in particularly when we only play 1 upfront. Werder Bremen offered £6m, and at the start of the season it was a no brainer. Studge is injury prone and despite his talent is unreliable. It's world cup year and he had every ambition to make the world cup squad and he wasn't going to do that by sitting on the bench. WBA offered somewhere between 3 and 4m and he was injured straight away. These two loans boosted out coffers by somewhere between 9 and £10m.

It was 100% correct to loan out those two - your argument is reactionary and no way guarantees a different result. I think if I was Klopp I would have brought on Clyne and moved TAA on the right wing. I feel Lallana was the wrong decision but that's all easy saying with hindsight.

We lost the final because as sorry as he is, the goal keeper made two howlers and our star player was maliciously taken out of the game. We did well to get to the final and if we meet them next season we will thump them.
 
RedNinja said:
Klopp needs the money to build a squad.

He will then win finals..

Every single one of those finals he lost, he had lack of squad depth

2 big European finals in 3 years and the lack of options from the bench are horrendous
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We've been here though. I said the Coutinho sale and lack of replacing him would bite us on the arse. We had four top quality attackers we could rotate. When one had a knock, or was knackered or below par, we could bring another in. As soon as we lost that, we were banking on the front three staying fit and using Solanke and Ings as sparingly as possible. Have a look at our results with one of those two in the team.

The balance of the side was better after losing Coutinho, but it cost us in terms of depth. We can't act like it was all somebody else's fault. We didn't have a reliable back up to Lovren or VVD either, despite having two other centre backs who Klopp bought. The keeper he bought is as had as the one he's relegated to the bench, maybe even worse. In terms of cost with those three, Karius, Klavan and Matip, we got what we paid for, not much of a return and a horrendous showing on the biggest stage.

We were a bit unlucky with injuries, had AOC and Can been fit then it gives you two quality options for the midfield. In the end though, the midfield wasn't really the problem, it was not addressing obvious holes in the side and sticking with a couple of players when they'd already proven they either weren't good enough (Karius), or ready to make a significant impact (Solanke, Ings).

I do sympathise with the lack of options, because we don't have the billions of a City or United, but there are alot of players in that squad who are pretty negligible and could have been sold on by now, by the same token, when you sell one of your best players mid season for big money, without out a contingency plan in place, you can't really moan about it either. It was a mistake and it arguably cost us. You're not telling me we'd have been worse off if Coutinho had stayed or we'd spent the money. Throw one more quality attacker into the mix and we're finishing in the top four more comfortably and able to mix it up in the big games.
 
For me it feels a bit like watching the England one day cricket team - fantastically positive, some brilliant wins with huge scores, but you also know there will be games when it all goes horribly wrong.

The run to the final should never be forgotten. It included some of the most exciting, attractive and refreshingly fun football I've ever seen. But the Europa League run was a bit similar, and the finals in both instances were terrible anti-climaxes, with the same injury blows and moments of madness.

In terms of keeper, Ward needs to be number 2, that leaves a genuinely top class keeper to come in as first choice and we could probably do with someone of Buffon-like experience to have a year as back up/coach.

Then FSG really need to understand that this style of play is probably always going to lead to period when we're really stretched with injuries and fatigue, so they need to back the manager this summer. We need another centre back and a defensive midfielder, no strong ideas on who.

It looks unlikely but it would be great to get Sessegnon, to play further forwards on the left but also be available to fill-in at LB should Robertson need a break.

I'm still a fan of Lallana but he can't be relied on to stay fit. We need a top class creative presence to play just behind the front three.

It's back up for the forwards that strikes me as the most delicate balance. I know I'm in a minority, but I'd like to give Ings one more season to show what he can do. Solanke should either stay or go on loan. But we shouldn't underestimate the promise of Harry Wilson, as well as Brewster if he backs down and stays. So I don't think the attacking options will seem quite as threadbare next season. But we still need, ideally, one more forward who'll provide competition without sulking, and perhaps a top class striker towards the end of his career who'll give us a season and be ready to come on every now and then and show a bit of hard won nous.

So about seven signings? I think that's at least the number we need to target.
 
With all due respect, the midfield was part of the problem in Kiev, by no means not the only problem but a problem nevertheless. It palpably failed to bring the forwards into the game and did little effectively to defend the back line when called to do so. Watch the replays and see how many times a midfielder, Henderson being the biggest culprit, received the ball from the keeper and without checking options ahead of him (or literally behind him), lobbed it back to the keeper received again and played it back once more. I can see why Salah was replaced by Lalana to give us more control and thrust in midfield (that didn’t work , unfortunately.) Yet we knew about all this weakness and that’s why there will be all changes in midfield in the coming campaign.

The disaster between the sticks, though, came right out of the blue. Yes, Karius is not top level but thos blunders were right of key stone cops.
 
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With all due respect, the midfield was part of the problem in Kiev, by no means not the only problem but a problem nevertheless. It palpably failed to bring the forwards into the game and did little effectively to defend the back line when called to do so.
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Yes. We had firefighters but no one to light our own fires.
 
Let’s not revise things here.

Klopp’s best option when Salah was Lallana - at that stage it was pretty much his only option give what was on the bench.

Solanke has struggled to impact at all this season - I’m not sure what people would have expected to be different against Real Madrid in a Champions League Final.

Later in the game - ok, if Bale hadn’t scored their 3rd and RM sat deep (which they did every time they went ahead) - because they were vulnerable in the air - absolutely.

What other possible options?

Bring on Clyne (who has hardly played all season due to injury) and push TAA forward into the Salah role (although he’s never played that role to my knowledge)?

Again - late on maybe.

Bring on Moreno (who hasn’t played much of late due to injury) to play in a forward role on the left and shift Mane over to the right?

That would have went down well.

And what of the bench - who should he have included that wasn’t there?

Woodburn, who’s only 1st appearance was in the 84th minute in the last game of the season.

Ings, who’s been out injured all season. hardly played and hasn’t impressed when he has (his Anfield career is clearly over if Solanke can get on the bench in front of him despite being equally unimpressive).

Yes the Salah injury was pivotal- because it shifted momentum from us to them - but the game wasn’t over.

I said at the time - we needed to get to half time without conceding then we could re-group.

We did that - then Karius literally threw that away - and then literally let whatever chance we had left slip through his fingers.

If I had a semi-realistic wish list, we’d sign - Allison, Neves, Fekir, & Zaha and I’d take Suarez back in a heartbeat.

Them, with Gruijic, Keita & a few of the more advanced youngsters- and we’d been in with a real shout.
 
gkmacca said:
For me it feels a bit like watching the England one day cricket team - fantastically positive, some brilliant wins with huge scores, but you also know there will be games when it all goes horribly wrong.
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Don’t get me started. Poor foot movement, consistently awful shot selection and downright slovenly fielding— how can you hope to win a Test?
 
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We've been here though. I said the Coutinho sale and lack of replacing him would bite us on the arse. We had four top quality attackers we could rotate. When one had a knock, or was knackered or below par, we could bring another in. As soon as we lost that, we were banking on the front three staying fit and using Solanke and Ings as sparingly as possible. Have a look at our results with one of those two in the team.

The balance of the side was better after losing Coutinho, but it cost us in terms of depth. We can't act like it was all somebody else's fault. We didn't have a reliable back up to Lovren or VVD either, despite having two other centre backs who Klopp bought. The keeper he bought is as had as the one he's relegated to the bench, maybe even worse. In terms of cost with those three, Karius, Klavan and Matip, we got what we paid for, not much of a return and a horrendous showing on the biggest stage.

We were a bit unlucky with injuries, had AOC and Can been fit then it gives you two quality options for the midfield. In the end though, the midfield wasn't really the problem, it was not addressing obvious holes in the side and sticking with a couple of players when they'd already proven they either weren't good enough (Karius), or ready to make a significant impact (Solanke, Ings).

I do sympathise with the lack of options, because we don't have the billions of a City or United, but there are alot of players in that squad who are pretty negligible and could have been sold on by now, by the same token, when you sell one of your best players mid season for big money, without out a contingency plan in place, you can't really moan about it either. It was a mistake and it arguably cost us. You're not telling me we'd have been worse off if Coutinho had stayed or we'd spent the money. Throw one more quality attacker into the mix and we're finishing in the top four more comfortably and able to mix it up in the big games.
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Klopp wasn't moaning about it though was he...

From what was said at the time we clearly didn't want to sell Coutinho and NOBODY here including me thought it was a good idea at Chrimbo...

But then again having a miserable player sitting around maybe would have impinged on what has been a really good season that if it weren't for 1 player playing disastrously badly could well have finished with the biggest trophy there is in club footy.

Should we have had an emergency player lined up to buy? MAYBE.... certainly we did lack team depth... as for Lallana sub, he's been out all season but he can play well, he was one of ours and Englands very best players last season and feeding the gaps between midfield and attack was maybe a good plan after Salah was torn away by a cheating spik cunt.

It could have gone much better on Satdy... but we threw it away... literally into our own net twice...

Sad though we all are I think we are underestimating what happened this year, NOBODY expected us to get to the final after having been out of that tournament for many moons but we got there because we deserved to be there and IMO Real were lucky they injured our Egyptian king and incredibly lucky that Karius decided to play for them mid game.

Squad depth will help, we are back in the game for next season and we haven't spunked away the 140M we got from selling Coutinho, a player who wanted to leave...

fuck it...

Onwards and upwards.

I remember arguing at the end of last season that we were fucking better than Spurs only to get shot down by statisticians busy sucking London cocks, but we were better, we just didn't have the depth when the African nations started and had Coutinho for 2 months as well...

This year we always had at least 3 first team/squad players out during the entire campaign and yet we still made it to the big ears final...

I reckon that's an improvement on last year...

MAYBE we can improve again, certainly I suspect that new players wouldn't mind getting into a team which can rip 5 goals past City and past Roma...

This lad Keita is supposed to be good, lets hope we can invest that money we didn't spend well and try again... you never know... it might well be fun watching it and we might just get some silver...

nifty... very fucking nifty...
 
This is a LFC problem and not a managerial one. The last time we've had genuine options off the bench was when Ged could call upon Robbie and Litmanen for Owen or Heskey. That's some 20 years ago now.

Who can forget Rodgers having to turn to Aspas or Alberto when we needed a goal in that match against Chelsea?

It's an on going theme with our club...

Poor old Lallana. Normally when a player is out for a long time, his stock rises.

Whilst I'm not his greatest fan, he's had some genuinely good games for us. Playing in the front three is not unnatural for him and I would back him to get a goal more than I would Solanke based on what both of them have done for us so far.
 
Tinto said:
This is a LFC problem and not a managerial one. The last time we've had genuine options off the bench was when Ged could call upon Robbie and Litmanen for Owen or Heskey. That's some 20 years ago now.

Who can forget Rodgers having to turn to Aspas or Alberto when we needed a goal in that match against Chelsea?

It's an on going theme with our club...

Poor old Lallana. Normally when a player is out for a long time, his stock rises.

Whilst I'm not his greatest fan, he's had some genuinely good games for us. Playing in the front three is not unnatural for him and I would back him to get a goal more than I would Solanke based on what both of them have done for us so far.
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Indeed...

clearly the bench was shallow and yes that it is to an extent Klopps responsibility but the truth is unless we could have brought on Diego Maradona with a goaly conceding 2 goals like that we were always gonna lose...

I can take it...

CL final... not a bad step forward considering...

After this stupid world cup malarkey is done at which England will be total shite then we can keep our eyes peeled on our new signings...

If i was an up and coming genius player i would very much like to be in that nifty side we got...

and moreover I REALLY want us to draw them Spanish cunts again in the CL... we owe them big time... and I think we will fucking give em one next time...
 
Since we were runners up in the league we have completed a full house of coming second.
League, FA Cup, League Cup, Europa League and Champions League
 
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As is someone who reads too much into the fact without considering context.

He’s lost mostly against opposition he was expected to loose to.
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Stevie mate, my problem is, and don’t take this as a Klopp out post or a hatred of Klopp, it’s not at all.

6 CONSECUTIVE final losses, a final is a one off game that anything can happen, how many shit teams have won finals, we’ve done it ourselves.

He’s been in 7 finals and lost 6 of them, there’s GOT to be something wrong here, I don’t know what it is, whether it’s mentality, or the pressure but if his record was anything but, I’d be like yeah he was expected to lose, or unlucky or anything else, but if you failed at the last hurdle 85% of the time in any other career you’d be fucked.

I can’t ignore his final record, it screams that something needs to be done, he needs to change.

We can sit here and say about how Ramos is a cunt, Karius bottled it etc. but they’re excuses, as soon as Salah went off we played shit, we bottled it against Sevilla.

For some reason Klopp’s teams don’t play well in finals, I don’t know why but he needs to sort it.
 
Yes, one can't explain away that fact. He needs a win as much as the team does. Where some might disagree with me is that I think ANY trophy would help psychologically, so I hope we get some luck with under-strength teams and win the league cup or FA cup next season, as well as compete for the league and the CL again.
 
Ijg said:
6 CONSECUTIVE final losses, a final is a one off game that anything can happen
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The better team on paper usually wins though

2017-18 Real Madrid Liverpool 3-1
2016-17 Real Madrid Juventus 4-1
2015-16 Real Madrid Atlético Madrid 1-1 (5–3)
2014-15 Barcelona Juventus 3-1
2013-14 Real Madrid Atlético Madrid 4-1

2017 Chelsea Manchester United 1-0
2016 Manchester United Crystal Palace 2-1 aet
2015 Arsenal Aston Villa 4-0
2014 Arsenal Hull City 3-2 aet
2013 Wigan Athletic Manchester City 1-0

Over the last 5 years Wigan was the only team that managed an upset in the finals of the CL and FA Cup.

Football is so predictable nowadays.
 
Tinto said:
This is a LFC problem and not a managerial one. The last time we've had genuine options off the bench was when Ged could call upon Robbie and Litmanen for Owen or Heskey. That's some 20 years ago now.

Who can forget Rodgers having to turn to Aspas or Alberto when we needed a goal in that match against Chelsea?

It's an on going theme with our club...

Poor old Lallana. Normally when a player is out for a long time, his stock rises.

Whilst I'm not his greatest fan, he's had some genuinely good games for us. Playing in the front three is not unnatural for him and I would back him to get a goal more than I would Solanke based on what both of them have done for us so far.
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Can't argue with any of that Tinto, it wasn't to be at the weekend and you're right, it's an ongoing problem that's dogged us forever. I guess one factor is that we struggle to get the best players in the first place and to keep them happy. Having quality on the bench and keeping them happy is another big ask.
 
Ijg said:
Stevie mate, my problem is, and don’t take this as a Klopp out post or a hatred of Klopp, it’s not at all.....
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I don’t take it as that - but look at the teams he’s lost to :

At Dortmund : twice to Bayern Munich (who were champions both times) & once to Wolfsburg (the year they finished 2nd to Bayern, while Dortmund finished 7th).

At Liverpool : Real Madrid & Sevilla as they both registered their 3rd consecutive win in their respective competitions.

Man City the year we finished 8th to their 4th.

I don’t think you can right it off as some sort of endemic failure - but I do agree with GKmacca - he needs a win - any win will do.
 
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So at what point does one stop being a dumb cunt ? After raising the question when we we lose 10 finals ? We have won finals against superior opposition using tactics and players with less ability.

These defeats are down to Klopp making bad decisions with subs and formations.
 
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