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Suarez's actions are understandable, but not in the context of an apparent understanding that he would indeed shake hands.
Our handling of this whole affair from a PR perspective has been an embarrassment.
Our handling of this whole affair from a PR perspective has been an embarrassment.
Get to fuck.
Ignoring whether you yourself believe what he does, if someone had sullied your name, in your eyes unfairly, would you shake his hand?
I thought not.
Also, this lad always, & I mean, ALWAYS, uses every advantage he can to win. Did doing this distract Evra before the game? Undoubtedly. Therefore he was doing his job.
Stop being so fucking faux sanctimonious & live in the real world.
Ignoring whether you yourself believe what he does, if someone had sullied your name, in your eyes unfairly, would you shake his hand?
I thought not.
Also, this lad always, & I mean, ALWAYS, uses every advantage he can to win. Did doing this distract Evra before the game? Undoubtedly. Therefore he was doing his job.
Stop being so fucking faux sanctimonious & live in the real world.
Ferguson is a vindictive old twat. Don't let him win. It's what he wanted from the start.
Ok, so worst case scenario (which seems likely considering Kenny's reaction & the above statement) he said he'd shake his hand then didn't.
So fucking what. Suarez is not the nicest bloke alive, but in not shaking his hand he has committed no crime, merely refused to betray his own belief in this case. I highly doubt kenny or anyone else will be that angry with him, bar the blindsiding of the event.
That handshake is not lawful, it's a choice, whether sky like it or not. I'm glad he didn't shake his hand, really I am.
So fucking what. Suarez is not the nicest bloke alive, but in not shaking his hand he has committed no crime, merely refused to betray his own belief in this case. I highly doubt kenny or anyone else will be that angry with him, bar the blindsiding of the event.
That handshake is not lawful, it's a choice, whether sky like it or not. I'm glad he didn't shake his hand, really I am.
I am in absolute 100% agreement with Ferguson. He is a disgrace to the cub. How the fuck any of you can vouch for him I have no idea. Oncy is absolutely spot on - there is just nothing there to like.
What's wrong with you? Do some of you think that it somehow damages your status as a supporter if you question him? And Jon "if someone had sullied your name" - what the fuck is wrong with you mate? Suarez abused him. Racially. He was found guilty of it. And Suarez's name has been sullied? Are you for real?
Here's exactly what happened. Suarez is convicted of racially abusing a player. The victim - absolutely regardless of what you think of him - decides to be the one to shake hands and get on with it. And Suarez turns that down. Disgraceful. I sat watching that yesterday and every single bit of me was disgusted. What sort of player have we got on our hands here? What sort of man is he? Who the fuck does he think he is?
I'll tell you what's being sullied and that's the good name of Liverpool football club. Ferguson has it spot on. You don't have to like him to agree with that. He scored that goal yesterday and I just sat there begging him not to do anything inflammatory in his celebration. I was praying he wouldn't act like a cunt. Unbelievably he didn't.
But the rest of the game he was his useful spiteful, diving, cheating self. What the fuck was that reaction after Feridnand had won the mother fucking ball? He knew Ferdinand won the ball, he god damn knew it and still he carries on like that.
I hate Evra, he's a little cock. I've no time for Ferguson either. But I hold both of them in higher regard than Suarez. I'd happily never watch him play football for us again. How do you support him? How do you watch him and take pleasure out of it? He's a disgrace, he's an embarrassment to our club and I want him gone.
Not that he's bad enoug, but Dalglish has to compound it further. I didn't see it. How dare you question him? I'll le him answer the questions. The wee man can do what he likes blah blah blah. Show some fucking balls Dalglish. You are better than this. From day one of this whole affair you have said and done the wrong things. Ferguson got it spot on - say fuck all in public. You Dalglish have made a fool out of yourself over that spoilt little brat.
We've got a name, a brand, and a history as a football club. Right now incredibly the only person highlighting this is Ferguson. And he's right that Suarez is dragging it down. Why our own fucking supporters can't see this and are prepared to stand by and ignore what you would certainly point out at any other football club on earth is an embarrassment is beyond me.
No amount of football ability justifies him and his actions. I don't have one single iota of respect for him.
What's wrong with you? Do some of you think that it somehow damages your status as a supporter if you question him? And Jon "if someone had sullied your name" - what the fuck is wrong with you mate? Suarez abused him. Racially. He was found guilty of it. And Suarez's name has been sullied? Are you for real?
Here's exactly what happened. Suarez is convicted of racially abusing a player. The victim - absolutely regardless of what you think of him - decides to be the one to shake hands and get on with it. And Suarez turns that down. Disgraceful. I sat watching that yesterday and every single bit of me was disgusted. What sort of player have we got on our hands here? What sort of man is he? Who the fuck does he think he is?
I'll tell you what's being sullied and that's the good name of Liverpool football club. Ferguson has it spot on. You don't have to like him to agree with that. He scored that goal yesterday and I just sat there begging him not to do anything inflammatory in his celebration. I was praying he wouldn't act like a cunt. Unbelievably he didn't.
But the rest of the game he was his useful spiteful, diving, cheating self. What the fuck was that reaction after Feridnand had won the mother fucking ball? He knew Ferdinand won the ball, he god damn knew it and still he carries on like that.
I hate Evra, he's a little cock. I've no time for Ferguson either. But I hold both of them in higher regard than Suarez. I'd happily never watch him play football for us again. How do you support him? How do you watch him and take pleasure out of it? He's a disgrace, he's an embarrassment to our club and I want him gone.
Not that he's bad enoug, but Dalglish has to compound it further. I didn't see it. How dare you question him? I'll le him answer the questions. The wee man can do what he likes blah blah blah. Show some fucking balls Dalglish. You are better than this. From day one of this whole affair you have said and done the wrong things. Ferguson got it spot on - say fuck all in public. You Dalglish have made a fool out of yourself over that spoilt little brat.
We've got a name, a brand, and a history as a football club. Right now incredibly the only person highlighting this is Ferguson. And he's right that Suarez is dragging it down. Why our own fucking supporters can't see this and are prepared to stand by and ignore what you would certainly point out at any other football club on earth is an embarrassment is beyond me.
No amount of football ability justifies him and his actions. I don't have one single iota of respect for him.
Ignoring the points in which we clearly won't agree, you honestly think kenny knew he hadn't shook his hand?
He was shocked by that, hence why he went straight on the offensive. Suarez had told him & the club he'd shake his hand so he was taken aback.
He was shocked by that, hence why he went straight on the offensive. Suarez had told him & the club he'd shake his hand so he was taken aback.
I tell you what Jon - even if he hadn't seen it, even if he wasn't aware, couldn't he have just done the decent thing and admitted that Suarez made a mistake? That he should have just shook his hand? See Ferguson's comment that Evra shouldn't have celebrated in front of Suarez at the end because it inflamed the whole thing? Spot on. Absolutely spot on.
You can still be a manger and admit your player has done something wrong.
You can still be a manger and admit your player has done something wrong.
And another thing. On here, on Facebook, everywhere I fucking look there are Liverpool fans moaning about Sky, Geoff Shreeves, Fergsuon, Evra, absolutely everything but us.
We are the ones in the wrong here. At what point are we going to ask the questions of ourselves that need to be fucking asked?
And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we have a victim complex.
We are the ones in the wrong here. At what point are we going to ask the questions of ourselves that need to be fucking asked?
And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we have a victim complex.
Ok, let's be more cynical then.
Suarez left Ajax through a perceived lack of support after his biting incident.
We can't attract a player of his stature & talent in our current situation, so kenny is backing him up to ensure he doesn't leave. I think that's the best thing for our club, morality aside. I suspect kenny is taking the cynical route & trying to ensure we keep our best player.
Suarez left Ajax through a perceived lack of support after his biting incident.
We can't attract a player of his stature & talent in our current situation, so kenny is backing him up to ensure he doesn't leave. I think that's the best thing for our club, morality aside. I suspect kenny is taking the cynical route & trying to ensure we keep our best player.
To put this into context, shouldn't fergie have binned off cantona following his fan attack, morally, yes, professionally, no chance, & it paid off.
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Ok, let's be more cynical then.
Suarez left Ajax through a perceived lack of support after his biting incident.
We can't attract a player of his stature & talent in our current situation, so kenny is backing him up to ensure he doesn't leave. I think that's the best thing for our club, morality aside. I suspect kenny is taking the cynical route & trying to ensure we keep our best player.
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The morality aside bit is the whole thing though Jon. At what point has Suarez done too much for you? Cos for me, he's way past it.
Ok, let's be more cynical then.
Suarez left Ajax through a perceived lack of support after his biting incident.
We can't attract a player of his stature & talent in our current situation, so kenny is backing him up to ensure he doesn't leave. I think that's the best thing for our club, morality aside. I suspect kenny is taking the cynical route & trying to ensure we keep our best player.
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The morality aside bit is the whole thing though Jon. At what point has Suarez done too much for you? Cos for me, he's way past it.
See my cantona comment.
In fact, see Fergies amnesia over Rooneys flirtation with citeh.
Sometimes the clubs needs override ones own morality, sad but true.
In fact, see Fergies amnesia over Rooneys flirtation with citeh.
Sometimes the clubs needs override ones own morality, sad but true.
TBH I am really fucking past caring about perception of the whole thing. The general hypocrisy surrounding the whole affair (today especially) from the media, the scum and posters on this site, is astounding.
It's this simple; If you believe that Suarez did racially abuse Evra, then he has been a cunt at many points throughout the whole thing and today capped it off. If you believe he didn't racially abuse him, then today's refusal to shake hands was perfectly understandable.
If Suarez doesn't want to shake his hand, so fucking what? At least he isn't a hypocrite.
It's this simple; If you believe that Suarez did racially abuse Evra, then he has been a cunt at many points throughout the whole thing and today capped it off. If you believe he didn't racially abuse him, then today's refusal to shake hands was perfectly understandable.
If Suarez doesn't want to shake his hand, so fucking what? At least he isn't a hypocrite.
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The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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With no pun intended it is nowhere near as black & white as that & you know it. At least I hope you do anyway.
The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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With no pun intended it is nowhere near as black & white as that & you know it. At least I hope you do anyway.
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Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Convicted by who?
He says he has been wronged and the F.A say they convicted him based on his own admission. Every incident that has happened since has been because he has been pushed into a corner - by some choice words mentioned by Fergie to the media.
While there is some doubt hovering over the original conviction, i don't find it that hard to give him the benefit of doubt.
The Tevez incident was simply there to see, and you can't excuse it as a spur of the moment thing. I didn't hate him or like him before that incident, i only thought he was a brilliant footballer. But the incident proved he was a dick-head...but people make mistakes. Cornering them over it, brings out the worst out of them....it could happen to anyone.
I think the club should have done better at protecting Suarez from the media. From day one, he has been up against it...originally for Diving(which was also coincidentally highlighted to the press by Fergie, before we face United at Anfield.), and then for the racism incident over which there is still an awful lot of doubt. He hasn't had a break...
My conscience is clear in supporting him. I don't feel i'm morally corrupt for supporting him.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Convicted by who?
He says he has been wronged and the F.A say they convicted him based on his own admission. Every incident that has happened since has been because he has been pushed into a corner - by some choice words mentioned by Fergie to the media.
While there is some doubt hovering over the original conviction, i don't find it that hard to give him the benefit of doubt.
The Tevez incident was simply there to see, and you can't excuse it as a spur of the moment thing. I didn't hate him or like him before that incident, i only thought he was a brilliant footballer. But the incident proved he was a dick-head...but people make mistakes. Cornering them over it, brings out the worst out of them....it could happen to anyone.
I think the club should have done better at protecting Suarez from the media. From day one, he has been up against it...originally for Diving(which was also coincidentally highlighted to the press by Fergie, before we face United at Anfield.), and then for the racism incident over which there is still an awful lot of doubt. He hasn't had a break...
My conscience is clear in supporting him. I don't feel i'm morally corrupt for supporting him.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48657.msg1481467#msg1481467 date=1329021503]
The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Convicted on probabilities and with no real evidence... Some of us believe that he was very unfairly treated. You're from the North, Ryan - Tell me, does a conviction always mean that the verdict was correct?
The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Convicted on probabilities and with no real evidence... Some of us believe that he was very unfairly treated. You're from the North, Ryan - Tell me, does a conviction always mean that the verdict was correct?
Whether the use of the term is racist or not in his native country, it would have been evident to him after the fist time he said it to Evra that Evra was uncomfortable with it. The fact he went on to say it 6, 7, 11 times whatever means he knew full well he was antagonizing him.
That coupled with his entire character leave me in no doubt about him. Others can have their own interpretation, but I know how I view him. He's a horrible piece of work in so many ways, and I have zero respect or admiration for him. That he couldn't even shake the guys hand and get on with it for the good of the club that's stood by him though all this bullshit tells me evening about the selfish little shit.
That coupled with his entire character leave me in no doubt about him. Others can have their own interpretation, but I know how I view him. He's a horrible piece of work in so many ways, and I have zero respect or admiration for him. That he couldn't even shake the guys hand and get on with it for the good of the club that's stood by him though all this bullshit tells me evening about the selfish little shit.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=48657.msg1481467#msg1481467 date=1329021503]
The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Goodness gracious, you're full of yourself aren't you? You're the embarrassment, lad. Now fuck off with your fucking friend, Fergie. You're a fucking disgrace.
The absolute uproar this site shows over Tevez's refusal to get off the bench, and rightly so.
Yet on the other hand, we'll happily defend the actions of a convicted, unapologetic racist cheat and his horrendously unashamed manager.
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Goodness gracious, you're full of yourself aren't you? You're the embarrassment, lad. Now fuck off with your fucking friend, Fergie. You're a fucking disgrace.
If you knew yourself to innocent of the charges levied against you by a 'colleague' where you work, and despite the lack of any evidence, you found yourself suspended and branded a racist throughout your entire industry, would you shake his hand for the good of your company?
Would you bollix.
Would you bollix.
Spot on, Ryan.
I wouldn't say Suarez is racist, despite obviously using a racial epithet to insult another person. But it's becoming increasingly clear that his character is way out of place with everything this club every stood for. He makes Manchester and Fergie look dignified in comparison and I HATE that. He is a good player, but he is not going to win us the league singlehandedly, not even close. So is it really worth it, building your team around a player who puts his personal gripes and vendettas above the club and carries his increasingly terrible reputation with him every time he steps on the pitch? After today, I'm not so sure.
I wouldn't say Suarez is racist, despite obviously using a racial epithet to insult another person. But it's becoming increasingly clear that his character is way out of place with everything this club every stood for. He makes Manchester and Fergie look dignified in comparison and I HATE that. He is a good player, but he is not going to win us the league singlehandedly, not even close. So is it really worth it, building your team around a player who puts his personal gripes and vendettas above the club and carries his increasingly terrible reputation with him every time he steps on the pitch? After today, I'm not so sure.
I don't think for one second Suarez is a racist.
So what if he didn't shake that fuckers hand? It's just a handshake. Should Bridge have shooked Terrys aswell?
I think he acted very well during the game, he didn't dive bit he tried to get the most of Rios tackle- that's not very nice of him but quite normal these days. Im certain you could find players in every team that would have tried the same. Just because its suarez during the circumstances it gets more attention that it deserves.
Serenity now.
So what if he didn't shake that fuckers hand? It's just a handshake. Should Bridge have shooked Terrys aswell?
I think he acted very well during the game, he didn't dive bit he tried to get the most of Rios tackle- that's not very nice of him but quite normal these days. Im certain you could find players in every team that would have tried the same. Just because its suarez during the circumstances it gets more attention that it deserves.
Serenity now.
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