If Not Suarez .......

[Frogfish]

First let's make some assumptions :-

1. Real or Barca will come in for him and he'll want to go. If both come in that is the second best scenario (nobody coming in for him being the best) and could push the fee up regardless of any release clause (we've seen this happen before regardless of the release figure).

2. There is a release clause so we have no option but to sell if it is met.

3. We assume that whatever fee we receive for Luis will be given back to Rodgers (less tax).

How are you going to spend that money ? Spread it around on all positions where we are weak ? Dump a big chunk of it into buying a top class striker ... and if so realistically who and why would they come to Liverpool ?

Will other top class talent want to come to Anfield now that Luis has gone ?

Let's hear it.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

Why would two clubs coming in come in increase their bids beyond the release clause, if it exists?

No more than ourselves you could do with strengthening in CM and CB. Overall your backups for Suarez's position are good and the money will strengthen you overall but it will take time for the new players to settle.

 

[ibromurph]

I value Suarez at around 80-90m.

If Real want him, I'd look at getting Benzema (25m) and Di Maria (40m) + cash.

If Barca want him, I'd look at getting one or both of Neymar/Sanchez (45m/30m)+ cash.

The remaining money (added to our transfer budget) would be spread across RB, CB, DM/CM, CF.

 

[Frogfish]

Why would two clubs coming in come in increase their bids beyond the release clause, if it exists?

No more than ourselves you could do with strengthening in CM and CB. Overall your backups for Suarez's position are good and the money will strengthen you overall but it will take time for the new players to settle.

It's been done before .. Chelsea last season I believe. It depends on the terms of the release clause, for example if it is 'a minimum of ...' or it's phrased so that it's possible the club can still accept a higher offer than one just meeting the minimum. Total speculation on my behalf of course because very few outside of LFC actually know if there even is a clause and if there is what the amount is.

Our backups for Suarez are not good. A team challenging on 4 fronts, and especially for the PL title, will need at least 3 very good strikers, if not 4. If Luis leaves then we have Sturridge and Lambert, that's not enough.

 

[Frogfish]

I value Suarez at around 80-90m.

If Real want him, I'd look at getting Benzema (25m) and Di Maria (40m) + cash.

If Barca want him, I'd look at getting one or both of Neymar/Sanchez (45m/30m)+ cash.

The remaining money (added to our transfer budget) would be spread across RB, CB, DM/CM, CF.

I love the realism in your suggestions. Neymar ? Seriously !?

 

[ibromurph]

I love the realism in your suggestions. Neymar ? Seriously !?

He might be unhappy with the way they've treated him this year (and the hullabaloo around his transfer). He's certainly not the main man there and won't be for some time. And if Suarez was to come, it could push him further down the pecking order. So heh, why not ask the question? Obviously, swapping sunny Barcelona for the rain of Kirkby might prove a *slight* stumbling block (ha!).

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Sanchez + 65 million.

65 million should be spent on 1 attacking talent, 1 CB, 1 LB & Serge Aurier.

 

[Mors]

Assuming we've already banked lambert/can/lovren/the llama

Rojo
Bony
Remy
Reus

Obviously we'd never be able to tempt the last one.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

It's been done before .. Chelsea last season I believe. It depends on the terms of the release clause, for example if it is 'a minimum of ...' or it's phrased so that it's possible the club can still accept a higher offer than one just meeting the minimum. Total speculation on my behalf of course because very few outside of LFC actually know if there even is a clause and if there is what the amount is.

Our backups for Suarez are not good. A team challenging on 4 fronts, and especially for the PL title, will need at least 3 very good strikers, if not 4. If Luis leaves then we have Sturridge and Lambert, that's not enough.

Given the issues with the release clause in the previous contract when Suarez tried to use it, if one exists in the new contract, then it will probably be very much of the type of "if a club bids £X m the club accepts the offer".

Sorry my previous post wasn't very clear. You would need to strengthen up front without Suarez.

But without Suarez you are still probably better in terms of attacking talent than you are in other areas of the pitch. Spend £30m on additional striker and the remaining £X m less the £30m and you would probably have a stronger team.

 

[737Max]

Valbuena, Reus, Sanchez

 

[Frogfish]

Given the issues with the release clause in the previous contract when Suarez tried to use it, if one exists in the new contract, then it will probably be very much of the type of "if a club bids £X m the club accepts the offer".

The Liverpool Echo is rarely far wide of the mark - see below ....
It was made very clear by FSG last year that there was no release clause in his previous contract (otherwise how could they have turned it down when legal action would have enforced it) ?

Some reports have suggested Real Madrid or Barcelona could land Suarez for around £65million but the ECHO understands they would need to offer more than that. Suarez was the subject of a summer-long transfer saga a year ago when Arsenal tried and failed to sign him.

The Gunners bid £40million plus £1 in the mistaken belief that they had triggered a clause in his contract. Liverpool believe Suarez is now worth at least double what Arsenal offered and there is no chance he will ever be sold to a domestic rival.

If there is a huge bid from Spain which meets the release clause and Suarez informs the club he wants out then the Reds will have to reluctantly do business but they hope it won't come to that.

There was constant speculation in Spain about Real Madrid's pursuit of Suarez last summer but no offer was ever forthcoming.

Liverpool have been in contact with Barcelona in recent weeks to register their interest in Chile striker Alexis Sanchez, who is currently on duty at the World Cup.

However, during those discussions the Catalan outfit haven't given any indication that they are plotting a swoop for Suarez.

 

[Judge Jules]

Sanchez + 65 million.

65 million should be spent on 1 attacking talent, 1 CB, 1 LB & Serge Aurier.

Exactly this.

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

The Liverpool Echo is rarely far wide of the mark - see below ....
It was made very clear by FSG last year that there was no release clause in his previous contract (otherwise how could they have turned it down when legal action would have enforced it) ?

Some reports have suggested Real Madrid or Barcelona could land Suarez for around £65million but the ECHO understands they would need to offer more than that. Suarez was the subject of a summer-long transfer saga a year ago when Arsenal tried and failed to sign him.

The Gunners bid £40million plus £1 in the mistaken belief that they had triggered a clause in his contract. Liverpool believe Suarez is now worth at least double what Arsenal offered and there is no chance he will ever be sold to a domestic rival.

If there is a huge bid from Spain which meets the release clause and Suarez informs the club he wants out then the Reds will have to reluctantly do business but they hope it won't come to that.

There was constant speculation in Spain about Real Madrid's pursuit of Suarez last summer but no offer was ever forthcoming.

Liverpool have been in contact with Barcelona in recent weeks to register their interest in Chile striker Alexis Sanchez, who is currently on duty at the World Cup.

However, during those discussions the Catalan outfit haven't given any indication that they are plotting a swoop for Suarez.

I thought the release clause meant all Liverpool had to inform Suarez of the bid, while he thought it meant they had to accept the bid.

 

[Woland]

Thing is, any of Sanchez / Benzema / Di Maria etc are going to want 200k a week... so it isn't simply a case of spending the money on the players. The salaries mean that at the very max we'd get two boss players for him, even if he went for £80m+

 

[hmmmmm1]

is echo saying implying the clause is 65 or more than that

 

[Judge Jules]

I doubt they know for sure, so they're leaving it open. £68 mill's been mentioned before now (TBH even that seems lower to me than I'd have expected FSG to accept, but who really knows?).

 

[localny]

Theres no way I want a player as part of the deal. They are always a cast off, and they are never motivated to play. Can you imagine any of these players are motivated to move to Liverpool from Barca or RM if they dint choose. None of the top teams do these deals anymore. Take the cash and get your own preferred targets

 

[ChastenedMUFC]

Theres no way I want a player as part of the deal. They are always a cast off, and they are never motivated to play. None of the top teams dp these deals anymore. Take the cash and get your own preferred targets

That nearly always make sense.

 

[Mystic]

is echo saying implying the clause is 65 or more than that

Yes, I would speculate that we'd make the clause at least the fee that Ronaldo and Bale went for.

 

[Modo]

just replace him with the Llama

 

[Markeh]

They can stick Di Maria and Benzema up their arses if those two are offered. Especially Benzema.

Varane or Modric would be interesting, maybe Isco.

 

[JohnnyRocket]

Although there aren't really positives to Suarez going, the one tiny tiny positive is not having to shoehorn two central strikers into the side.

I'd rather us spunk the money on 2-3 quality attacking mids and wide forwards, and play a system similar to City last season.

 

[Fabio]

They can stick Di Maria and Benzema up their arses if those two are offered. Especially Benzema.

Varane or Modric would be interesting, maybe Isco.

Di Maria and varane and I'd be wanting ferociously

 

[gkmacca]

Theres no way I want a player as part of the deal. They are always a cast off, and they are never motivated to play. Can you imagine any of these players are motivated to move to Liverpool from Barca or RM if they dint choose. None of the top teams do these deals anymore. Take the cash and get your own preferred targets

Exactly. 'We're willing to give you a player who we rate as worth about a quarter of your player'. Unless it's some young player who has been scouted intensively for a couple of years and is already coveted by the manager, it's a lousy deal. (Maybe we should have a go: 'We'll take Messi - here's £50m + Borini and Aspas. You're welcome!')

 

[Judge Jules]

I'd prefer the money too, but I wouldn't automatically rule out part-ex. The other lot's valuation of a player may or may not be relevant to our circs.

 

[gkmacca]

Presumably a get out clause just concerns a certain sum of money, not a smaller amount of money and a contentiously valued player. I'd hope the club doesn't indulge anything like that.

 

[keniget]

At Barca, Sanchez is really good and potentially someone they'd let go. I can't seem them letting go of Neymar and there we'd be stupid to pay his wages because at the moment he's not quite there in terms of justifying them.

At Real, I'd happily take Isco off their hands who doesn't quite fit in at the moment.

Reus would be amazing but I guess that's unlikely to happen. I'm not really sure beyond that because you're starting to talk about players that are a marked step down or still in the 'potential' category. Angel Correa might have been a good bet due to playing style - would we have gotten a permit?

 

[Buddha]

I'm not sure how much Barca value Sanchez at.

Personally, I think he's a cracking player with still untapped potential. I think he could still develop into a top 3 (in the world) player, striker even.

 

[737Max]

Di Maria and varane and I'd be wanting ferociously

Typo?

 

[Fabio]

Typo?

Sadly yes.

I meant to type wanking


Wanking ladies and gentlemen