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Has Salah changed?
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The use of fir trees, yes. The use of fir trees indoors, no.
Yes but the use of fir trees indoors was tying on to a much older pagan tradition, and this custom was even criticised by Christian sects in the sixteenth century for precisely this reason. I can't be arsed arguing too hard here, but does anybody attach any Christian symbolism to their Christmas trees, or is there some strange primal pleasure to be had in bringing some evergreen into your home and decorating it? For everyone I know, it is the latter.
Same here. I don't want to make overmuch of this either. The point was solely a factual one AFAIC.
So I'd ask the question differently - bar Christmas and Novigod, what other holidays include decorated trees in this time period?
That is the only reason Salah got grief ...
Interesting re: the criticism bit (mostly from Protestants or Catholics or others?)
There are certainly records showing criticism from Protestant ministers but it wouldn't surprise me if some of ours said or thought the same.
I think you're asking the wrong question to be honest, whatever way you phrase it. There are Christmas things that tie specifically to celebrating Christ's birth. Nativities, the giving of gifts (though the latter is a largely secularised and materialistic custom now). Decorating Christmas trees and having a big feast are, I suggest, hangovers from mid-winter festivals (no doubt taken up and elaborated upon by Christians in C16 Germany, but any ritualistic, or pious connotations are, I would say, now utterly voided). These critics of Salah are acting like he was standing in front of a Menorah at Passover and about to partake in the Seder. It is very far removed from that level of religious ritual celebration.
No menorah at passover (though our communal haggadah probably is very much influenced by the Greeks - but that's a story over a good pint of Goldstar for your visit next year)
With 13 appearances in 2 years, with 6 starts and 7 subs, you are able to judged his character? You must either lived close to Chelsea training camp and watched him every day religiously, or you share the same trait as Mourinho.
Excuse my ignorance dude, but you get the drift.
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Why are we trying to parse this with any intellectual application of historical significance and meaning?
Religious loonies having a go at Salah for having a fucking Xmas tree are not worth the time or effort, and should just be laughed at and ignored as the atavistic, hateful spastics that they are.
Going back to the original post! Has Salah changed? Who cares? He has broken all sorts of record and received a plethora of awards. He is currently our top scorer and leading us to our first title in 30 years. I always presumed Salah would be the first of the front three to leave. I'll be able to make peace with it if we have a league title under our belt and potentially another CL.
Perhaps Salah was always selfish and egotistical? When he signed for Chelsea over Liverpool he claimed it was because Chelsea showed him more love. That Chelsea valued him more. The counter to that was Lampard and a few other players stating he was quiet and shy at Chelsea. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.
Salah also refused to shake hands with Israeli players that time and reports released suggested he would quit the club if Chelsea signed an Israeli player. Not sure how true that is but without getting into a religious debate it may allude to Salah being out for #1.
He seems to love scoring and we love to watch him score. I loved his smug, this is easy celebration two years ago. So to reiterate, has he changed? From what and who cares?
Perhaps Salah was always selfish and egotistical? When he signed for Chelsea over Liverpool he claimed it was because Chelsea showed him more love. That Chelsea valued him more. The counter to that was Lampard and a few other players stating he was quiet and shy at Chelsea. Perhaps the truth is somewhere in between.
Salah also refused to shake hands with Israeli players that time and reports released suggested he would quit the club if Chelsea signed an Israeli player. Not sure how true that is but without getting into a religious debate it may allude to Salah being out for #1.
He seems to love scoring and we love to watch him score. I loved his smug, this is easy celebration two years ago. So to reiterate, has he changed? From what and who cares?
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He's acknowledged his mistake over the Israeli thing, a mistake made by a young player in a new country still getting used to a new culture. It has zip to do with the Mohammed Salah of today. Playing-wise too he's in a new situation, now that everyone knows how dangerous he is and is double- or even triple-teaming him.
Reckon you are talking out of uranus
The very best players play with a cockiness, selfishness, and arrogance that makes them look on another level when things come off.
And when things don't, it looks, well, cocky, selfish and arrogant.
I'd sort of understand this talk if Salah had gone off the boil completely, but he's still scoring and assisting in our best ever season.
So instead I just think some of you are absolute cunts who love to have a moan and will probably never really be satisfied with anything.
And when things don't, it looks, well, cocky, selfish and arrogant.
I'd sort of understand this talk if Salah had gone off the boil completely, but he's still scoring and assisting in our best ever season.
So instead I just think some of you are absolute cunts who love to have a moan and will probably never really be satisfied with anything.
I'd always wondered how it came about. Cheers.
We as fans always state that we don't want nice guys. We want winners. We get a few greedy players in (Salah and Mane) and we try pick flaws. "He won't pass to him", "why is he so greedy". Who gives a fuck? We haven't lost this season and we're complaining about players being greedy or morphing into new personalities. I think it's great that Mane and Salah are competing for top scorer btw. That competitive edge and desire is driving us towards titles.
This makes Aguero look amazing.
to be honest when I saw that the thread was begun by Modo I knew even without opening it that it would be truly, fully, brilliant....
we need to talk about Klopp too you know....
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