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For those saying that Kenny deserves another year

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I don't have a problem with managerial changes if the team isnt showing progress.
Having 3 different managers in 3 years isnt a good reason to keep a poor manager in charge for another year. Im not really into the emotional-faith thing either.
If it's not working its not working and it clearly isnt.
 
Look into what he did to a team that just came off the greatest season in their rather illustrious history ... and tell me why on earth you're so confident that he's a 'safe bet'.
He knows the players, he built the youth and reserve teams, he knows the club and the city.
 
I cannot stand reading things like 'I hate sacking managers', 'Liverpool shouldn't sack managers', etc.

If there are signs a manager is building something then sure, then fine, give them time and patience. The problem with Dalglish is his project is not only faltering - it's failed, and now we're 2 points off the bottom half of the league.

The club has to act in it's best interests at all times. If they can find someone who will do the job better then the club should do so.
 
I don't have a problem with managerial changes if the team isnt showing progress.
Having 3 different managers in 3 years isnt good a reason to keep a poor manager in charge for another year. Im not really into the emotional-faith thing either.
If it's not working its not working and it clearly isnt.
still not sure why you think people want to avoid too many fired managers but not rafa because he worked for us before. Is that not something that would make it better or easier?
 
He knows the players, he built the youth and reserve teams, he knows the club and the city.

And will moan about the lack of funds when he doesn't deliver because FSG have shown no intention that they are going to throws loads of cash about for transfers.
 
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If clueless is the term we're using to describe how the current team is playing, then no I cant recall us playing so badly when Rafa was in charge. At least we looked organized and the players seemed to know their role in the team.
Did we have poor games, sure.
Habitually? No.
 
I think we can sum up all the problems by saying. Alonso, Mascherano, Aquilani, Meireles, Torres, Spearing, Downing, Adam, Henderson, Carroll
 
And will moan about the lack of funds when he doesn't deliver because FSG have shown no intention that they are going to throws loads of cash about for transfers.
Possibly. Even if its "work with what you've got", I trust Benitez to do it better than Kenny has.
 
He may do better then Kenny but he won't do well enough.
I really don't want Rafa back for another spell. Our team was so mechanical to watch under him, very boring for the majority of the time.
And Rafa going on about signing youth players, so we sign everyone under The Lying Rag and then he won't give any of them a chance.
As someone pointed out, when things go wrong it won't be because of his tactics or decision making it will be FSG not matching the big teams in spending.
And how is he going to take not having full control over everything? Especially transfers.
 
What I feel most aggreived about is how other posters on here get so self-righteous about how they will "support Dalglish until the day they die" - and how that somehow translates to them being morally, ethically, and intellectually superior with regards to their thoughts and feelings about Liverpool football club. Get. to. fuck.

Just when did Liverpool F.C. become anything other than a meritocracy?
 
Well I'm happy to stick by Kenny, because he deserves a chance like anyone else, as opposed to just because he's Kenny.
 
Holloway's column:

Judge Dalglish next season

The media need to have it in for someone and Kenny Dalglish fits their bill at the moment. All I can say is that I would love to have had such a bad season – won one Cup competition and be in the semi-finals of another.

Yes, they want to do better in the League, but look at the injuries they have had. Losing Lucas Leiva was a massive blow for them. Last week they had Jonjo Shelvey in midfield. He was with us at Blackpool on loan before Christmas, so would Jonjo be in Liverpool's starting XI if everyone was fit? Probably not, and that shows you the problems Kenny has got.

Everyone knows why Kenny is getting stick: it's because he spent a bit of money and so everyone expects instant success. But you have to look at how fierce the competition is at the top end of the Premier League. They had miles to catch up and there is no doubt they are a better all-round team now than they were 12 months ago.

City had to spend a load more than Liverpool to make a breakthrough. These things take time, and Kenny should be judged next season.
 
Like the fallen hero in The Great Gatsby, Kenny Dalglish might be coming to realise that things don’t always work out so gloriously the second time around. His untouchable status as King of Liverpool FC has taken a bit of a muddying over the last few months, to the point where even his old mate John Aldridge has taken to using phrases like “laughing stock” in his column in the Liverpool Echo. It doesn’t take much to ignite the touchpaper in the Life’s A Pitch studio, but just the mere mention of Liverpool this season has their eyes out on stalks.

“It’s not looking good at the moment up on Merseyside,” understates Tom Hopkinson of The People. “John Aldridge’s column in the Liverpool Echo was very interesting, because it’s the first time one of Kenny’s pals has finally turned and put the knife in – Kenny’s friends in the media have never openly criticised him until now. That said, I still believe that the players have let Kenny down big time. He put his faith in players who haven’t performed. Stewart Downing in particular.”

John Cross of the Daily Mirror sees Kenny Dalglish as a bizarre, paranoid autocrat. “You wonder whether John Aldridge will be welcomed back into the press room at Liverpool,” he begins. “Dalglish has become so paranoid that he even vets journalists for his press conferences. It’s ridiculous, it’s like the Independent Republic of Liverpool. If they win two cups is that enough to save their season? I don’t think so. I thought they would be pushing for the top four. To fall short, as they have done spectacularly this season, really isn’t good enough, by any stretch of the imagination.”

“Remember – they didn’t want Dalglish,” insists John Cross’ colleague at the Daily Mirror, Martin Lipton. “He wasn’t meant to be Liverpool manager. The idea was that [Roy] Hodgson would get to the end of the season, then they could bring in a young coach of their choice – [Didier] Deschamps, [Jurgen] Klopp or André Villas-Boas. But they had to change plans because Hodgson’s reign was turning into a car crash. They had no option but to take Dalglish, now they have no option but to stick with Dalglish.

The panel also discusses director of football Damien Comolli’s role in this mess, and what might happen if they lose their FA Cup semi-final against Everton.


http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/laptv/kenny-dalglish-wasnt-meant-to-be-liverpool-manager/
 
LUIS SUAREZ'S Liverpool future is in serious doubt as the threat of the sack looms large over Kenny Dalglish.

The brilliant yet wayward Anfield hitman is worried about his manager’s increasingly precarious position in the Merseyside hotseat.

If Dalglish, 61, is still at the helm next season, Suarez stays. He is a massive fan of the Liverpool boss, who loyally backed him throughout his racism row with Patrice Evra.

But if King Kenny is axed – as seems a real possibility – the Uruguayan hot-head may well demand a move back to Europe, where several top clubs are ready to offer him refuge.

Loaded French outfit PSG have made no secret of their desire to sign Suarez and continue to monitor developments.

Carlo Ancelotti’s men, though, can expect competition for the ex-Ajax striker, 25, from a trio of Italian clubs in AC Milan, Inter and Roma.

What chance they actually have of landing £30million-rated Suarez appears to depend on whether Dalglish keeps his job.

Liverpool’s American owners stated last week that no decision on the manager’s future will be made until after a review of the 2011-12 season is complete.

However, even if the Reds add the FA Cup to their Carling Cup triumph, there is no guarantee Dalglish will receive the green light to continue.

Amazingly, the bookies now make the Scot 4-7 ON to be gone before August – with many believing the writing has been on the wall for some time.

When Liverpool won the League Cup in February – their first silverware since 2006 – the lack of public praise for Dalglish from his Yanks bosses John Henry and Tom Werner was deafening.

That suggested a crisis was already brewing and the situation has since careered completely out of control amid the club’s worst sequence of league results in more than 50 YEARS.

Last weekend’s defeat at Newcastle was Liverpool’s SIXTH in their last seven top-flight clashes – while their record for 2012 makes equally horrible reading. Only rock-bottom Wolves have collected fewer points than Dalglish’s expensive flops since the new year.

The shocking slump has ended any chance of Champions League qualification – the pre-season priority following the club’s massive £100m spending spree – and left Dalglish in grave danger.

Which is why Suarez is having second thoughts about extending his stay in the North West and signing an improved deal.

He loves working with Dalglish, forever grateful of the manager’s unwavering support when hit with an eight-match ban for racially abusing Manchester United skipper Patrice Evra in September.

But if Dalglish went, Suarez, already public enemy No.1 with opposition fans across the land, could decide to cut his losses and quit.

A Kop insider confirmed: “Without Kenny as manager, there has to be a major question mark about Luis.”

One man bitterly upset at the club’s dramatic decline in fortunes is Anfield legend Phil Thompson.

He remains behind Dalglish, adamant the board must stick rather than twist come the close season.

Yet, at the same time, the ex-Liverpool skipper, who won seven titles and three European Cups between 1971 and 1984, has labelled the recent wretched run unacceptable.

Thommo, 58, said: “Since the Carling Cup and prior to the Carling Cup, it has not been good enough.

“Everyone has to take responsibility for the results – the players, Kenny and his coaching staff. Everybody.

“But there’s no question Kenny is the right person for the job.”

Only time will tell if Liverpool chiefs Henry and Werner agree – and where that leaves Suarez.
 
Hans I am not going to go back to old matchday thread to find out what you said in them but we were far from clueless at the start of the season.
We played some excellent football and we were not clinical enough on front of goal to garner the points that our performances seem to have merited.
For whatever reason, our form and self belief have been on a decreasing cycle since November/December.
The inability to arrest such a slump and recreate the early season form is what concerns me most.


Yeah, I agree mate. But my point was that you'd like to see some progression from the start of the season to the end. But we have gotten worse. We played some nice football at first but know we look just clueless. So my point was we've gone backwards.

Dont know if a manager with 5 home wins in 16 games is the right man. He cant motivate then now, why should that change next season?
 
Oh, and what an absolute nothing article. Anfield insider? Ha. Anfield cat more like.
 
Yeah, I agree mate. But my point was that you'd like to see some progression from the start of the season to the end. But we have gotten worse. We played some nice football at first but know we look just clueless. So my point was we've gone backwards.

Dont know if a manager with 5 home wins in 16 games is the right man. He cant motivate then now, why should that change next season?

We haven't improved, but we haven't "gone backwards" either. The problem is the same - we're still playing good football until we get near goal, at which point it goes to sh!te.

As for the question you ask about Kenny at the end: if certain players aren't already motivated by playing for Liverpool, who WILL motivate them? Maybe they're the ones who should bugger off.
 
We haven't improved, but we haven't "gone backwards" either. The problem is the same - we're still playing good football until we get near goal, at which point it goes to sh!te.

As for the question you ask about Kenny at the end: if certain players aren't already motivated by playing for Liverpool, who WILL motivate them? Maybe they're the ones who should bugger off.

I disagree with that mate.
Our performances have dropped off considerably from about November onwards though we still managed to get results prior to Christmas without playing as well.
That defeat to Arsenal, when we had them on the ropes for most of the game has totally dented any self belief the team seemed to have. Either that or too many players, knowing that they won't make the Champions league, have started cruising towards the end of the season.
 
We play good football in maybe every 3rd game or something. Thats not good enough. In our last 8 games, 5 have been awful.

As to motivating. Just look at Redknapp and O'Neill and what they did with squads that were underperforming. Not every fault is with the players. Some should fuck off, but the managers also takes most of the blame.
 
I disagree with that mate.
Our performances have dropped off considerably from about November onwards though we still managed to get results prior to Christmas without playing as well.
That defeat to Arsenal, when we had them on the ropes for most of the game has totally dented any self belief the team seemed to have. Either that or too many players, knowing that they won't make the Champions league, have started cruising towards the end of the season.

We'll have to agree to differ to some extent, old pal. For my money that bolded bit is too indiscriminate. Take yesterday as an example - in the second half we played some nice stuff without making it count (no pun intended) enough to win the game, as we've done all season.

I do agree with your second para.though.
 
We play good football in maybe every 3rd game or something. Thats not good enough. In our last 8 games, 5 have been awful.

As to motivating. Just look at Redknapp and O'Neill and what they did with squads that were underperforming. Not every fault is with the players. Some should fuck off, but the managers also takes most of the blame.

Don't agree your first para, which I reckon is OTT. We've produced good passages of play in most of our games. What we haven't done is turn them into goals. It's a serious problem, but a more specific one than you suggest.

I do accept that Kenny has to take his share of the blame and smarten his act up sharpish, but "most of the blame" is also OTT in my book. Kenny had the same effect on the players last season as O'Neill and Redknapp have had. Something's changed for the worse, and there's no way that's just down to any one person.
 
I can't see how we'll get any worse next season no matter what happens in the summer. We are still in those top 10 lists of wealthiest clubs despite a relatively small ground and no CL footy for a few years - and sport now being a numbers game, if that doesn't translate to us being in the top 10 performing clubs in the world then we are getting something wrong. This is a blip, a product of money being shipped out of the club to pay for debt, which made our wealth pointless, and then a rebuilding process which has stuttered, and spending hasn't translated into better performances on this particular occasion.

It will, that's how it works, whether we change manager or not, we'll end up fxing the squad to some extent and improving because there's a lot of money in this club and the owners must know that to maximise the potential, they'll need to roll the dice again.

Four of the top seven wealthiest clubs in the world are in the semi finals of the Champions League. That isn't coincidence. That's where we should be.
 
How did Rafa do with Inter? That inspires you with confidence? Remind me what kind of team Mourinho left him with?

I don't really think the 'hung up on it' remark is accurate. It's just not something any of us are used to at Liverpool, we thought we were different. But since things are a changing I guess you may be right. Oh well ...


He won the Super Cup and the World Club Cup and then got fired for being mouthy.It doesn't diminish my confidence in him.Why use that as a stick to beat him with.Following Mourinho into that job was never going to be a picnic.The team Mourinho left him with was old and tired and needed a refit as evidenced by what they have done since firing Rafa:nothing.Rafa's kids missed England,he found himself(yet again! being made promises that weren't kept and decided to make a meal of it sooner rather than later since he didn't have a particular affection for Inter as he does Liverpool-so that is what he did.
 
Kenny's contract is for two years. I say let him see it out, who knows we may see an improvement in that time. If not, we just not not renew it and bring back Rafa who is a better coach than most out there.
 
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