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Flamini - soon to be a Billionaire ?

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Can they not use the chaff etc so that food is still being produced and the waste is turned into fuel? Or do you mean they will just use it all for fuel instead?

Maybe that's what they intend by making the reactor flexible as to its fuel type. But then they need to take a little bit of waste from lots of farms scattered across vast countries, put it into trucks (lots of trucks as the bulk density of biomass is very low), and then drive it to the their plant. Makes no sense to me. This is why the biofuel producers find it "convenient" to grow nothing but fuel, and have the process plant next door to it.
 
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The other solution is to have the farms compress their biomass into standard sized pellets. But if they do that, Flamini's flexible reactor becomes pretty useless then doesn't it. Any old reactor can take a feed of biomass pellets and handle any variations in quality by adjusting a few flow rates and temperatures using control loops.
 
The other solution is to have the farms compress their biomass into standard sized pellets. But if they do that, Flamini's flexible reactor becomes pretty useless then doesn't it. Any old reactor can take a feed of biomass pellets and handle any variations in quality by adjusting a few flow rates and temperatures using control loops.
Perhaps the innovation is that it's a tiny fermenter that fits on the back of your car like in the pic from page one of this thread...
 
No. Hydrogen being highly explosive is what's holding it back.

Hydrogen is also limited as a resource so is not the future of fuel.
Isn't hydrogen the most abundant substance in the universe. I do think there are other issues associated with hydrogen preventing it from being used as a fuel. There is this quote I remember, hydrogen is the fuel of the future and it will always remain the fuel of the future.
 
It's getting the hydrogen so that it stays nice and cheap that's the problem.
 
Generating electricity is the main problem. There is no point in a magical zero-emission engine, when to build it, transport the fuel, compress the gas, store it, and all the rest... you are using up electricity that you got by burning other stuff. You may as well skip out the inefficient bullshit in the middle and just burn the stuff in the car. Let the people breathe in the poison, most of them smoke anyway so what's the difference.

To generate clean electricity you need nuclear power.
 
Isn't hydrogen the most abundant substance in the universe. I do think there are other issues associated with hydrogen preventing it from being used as a fuel. There is this quote I remember, hydrogen is the fuel of the future and it will always remain the fuel of the future.
It's a limited resource because you have to extract it and put it in a form that's usable. This is the problem. Fossil fuel is abundant but not in its raw form and it takes ages for it to become fossil.

You want a cheap environmentally method to collect fuel. Electric is best for this so improvements to solar technology is probably the way forward. Since plants do this all the time, it'll be a good idea to figure that out.

Nuclear is another way but it'll have to be fusion otherwise you're back to square one with it being expensive and non-environmentally friendly.
 
Breakthrough Nanotechnology for Making Renewable Hydrogen from Sunlight

Hydrogen (H2) is the most abundant element and cleanest fuel in the universe. Unlike hydrocarbon fuels, such as oil, coal and natural gas, where carbon dioxide and other contaminants are released into the atmosphere when used, hydrogen fuel usage produces only pure water (H2O) as the byproduct. Unfortunately, pure hydrogen does not exist naturally on Earth and therefore must be manufactured. Historically, the cost of manufacturing renewable hydrogen as an alternative fuel has been higher than the cost of the energy used to make it. This is the dilemma of the Hydrogen Economy, and one that HyperSolar aims to address.
For over a century, splitting water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis has been well known. Theoretically, this technology can be used to produce an unlimited amount of clean and renewable hydrogen fuel to power a carbon-free world. However, in practice, current commercial electrolysis technologies require (a) expensive electricity, and (b) highly purified water to prevent fouling of system components. We believe these are the major barriers to affordable production of renewable hydrogen.
The Perfect and Sustainable Energy Cycle

As it turns out, Mother Nature has been making hydrogen using sunlight since the beginning of time by splitting water molecules (H2O) into its basic elements - hydrogen and oxygen. This is exactly what plant leaves do every day using photosynthesis. Since the produced hydrogen is immediately consumed inside the plant, we can't simply grow trees to make hydrogen.
If technology can be developed to mimic photosynthesis to split water into hydrogen, then a truly sustainable, low cost, and renewable energy cycle can be created to power the Earth for millenniums. However, cost has been the biggest barrier to realizing this vision.
Water Splitting

In the process of splitting a water molecule, input energy is transferred into the chemical bonds of the resulting hydrogen molecule. So in essence, manufactured hydrogen is simply a carrier or battery-like storage of the input energy. If the input energy is from fossil fuels, such as oil and gas, then dirty carbon fossil fuel energy is simply transferred into hydrogen. If the input energy is renewable such as solar and wind, then new and clean energy is stored in hydrogen.
While the concept of water splitting is very appealing, the following challenges must be addressed for renewable hydrogen to be commercially viable:
  • Energy Inefficiency — Since hydrogen is an energy carrier, the most energy it can store is 100% of the input energy. However, conventional systems approach to electrolysis lose so much of the input energy in system components, wires and electrodes that only a fraction the solar electricity actually makes it into the hydrogen molecules. This translates to high production cost and is the fundamental problem with water splitting for hydrogen production. HyperSolar is addressing this problem with its low cost and energy efficient technology.
  • Need for Clean Water —Conventional electrolysis requires highly purified clean water to prevent fouling of system components. This prevents current technology from using the large quantities of free water from oceans, rivers, industrial waste and municipal waste as feedstock. HyperSolar's technology is designed to use any natural water or waste water for the unlimited production of renewable hydrogen.
Breakthrough Nanotechnology

Electrolysis water-splitting in its simplest form is the transfer of "input electrons" in the following chemical reactions.
Cathode (reduction): 2 H2O + 2e- -> H2 + 2 OH-
Anode (oxidation): 4 OH- -> O2 + 2 H2O + 4 e-
From these equations it is easy to see that if every input electron (e-) is put to work and not lost, then a maximum amount of input electrons (i.e. energy) is transferred and stored in the hydrogen molecules (H2). Additionally, if there were a very high number of cathode and anode reaction areas within a given volume of water, then a very high number of these reactions could happen simultaneously throughout the medium to split every single water molecule into hydrogen wherever electrons are available.
To address this fundamental electron transfer efficiency problem, HyperSolar is developing a novel nanoparticle to maximally ensure that every single electron is put to work in splitting a water molecule. Our nanoparticle has two very important features:
  • Self-contained Photoelectrochemical Nanosystem — Our low cost nano-size particle technology is designed to mimic photosynthesis and contains a solar absorber that generates electrons from sunlight, as well as integrated cathode and anode areas to readily split water and transfer those electrons to the molecular bonds of hydrogen. Unlike solar panels or wind turbines that produce a sizeable number of electrons that will be lost before reaching the hydrogen bonds, our nanoparticles are optimized at the nano-level to ensure maximal electron generation and utilization efficiency. Consequently, our nanoparticle technology uses substantially fewer photovoltaic elements, an expensive material, than conventional solar panels to achieve the same system level efficiency. Thereby significantly lowering the system cost of what is essentially an electrolysis process.
  • Protective Coating — The biggest problem with submerging photovoltaic elements in water for direct electrolysis is corrosion and short circuiting. To address this problem, we have developed a protective coating that encapsulates key elements of the nanoparticle to allow it to function for a long periods of time in a wide range of water conditions without corrosion. This allows the nanoparticles to be submerged or dissolved into virtually any source of water, such as sea water, runoff water, river water, or waste water, instead of purified distilled water.
By managing the science of electrolysis at the nano-level, we believe that our nanoparticle technology can deliver unmatched cost reductions to enable the commercial production of renewable hydrogen from any sources of water, with sunlight as the only source of energy.
Our nanoparticle technology is a next generation solution. However, during the process of developing this technology, we have achieved a number of discrete technology breakthroughs that have allowed us to develop a commercial solution for today's renewable hydrogen market (see HyperSolar H2Generator).
 
Breakthrough Nanotechnology for Making Renewable Hydrogen from Sunlight

Hydrogen (H2) is the most abundant element and cleanest fuel in the universe. Unlike hydrocarbon fuels, such as oil, coal and natural gas, where carbon dioxide and other contaminants are released into the atmosphere when used, hydrogen fuel usage produces only pure water (H2O) as the byproduct. Unfortunately, pure hydrogen does not exist naturally on Earth and therefore must be manufactured. Historically, the cost of manufacturing renewable hydrogen as an alternative fuel has been higher than the cost of the energy used to make it. This is the dilemma of the Hydrogen Economy, and one that HyperSolar aims to address.
For over a century, splitting water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis has been well known. Theoretically, this technology can be used to produce an unlimited amount of clean and renewable hydrogen fuel to power a carbon-free world. However, in practice, current commercial electrolysis technologies require (a) expensive electricity, and (b) highly purified water to prevent fouling of system components. We believe these are the major barriers to affordable production of renewable hydrogen.
The Perfect and Sustainable Energy Cycle

As it turns out, Mother Nature has been making hydrogen using sunlight since the beginning of time by splitting water molecules (H2O) into its basic elements - hydrogen and oxygen. This is exactly what plant leaves do every day using photosynthesis. Since the produced hydrogen is immediately consumed inside the plant, we can't simply grow trees to make hydrogen.
If technology can be developed to mimic photosynthesis to split water into hydrogen, then a truly sustainable, low cost, and renewable energy cycle can be created to power the Earth for millenniums. However, cost has been the biggest barrier to realizing this vision.
Water Splitting

In the process of splitting a water molecule, input energy is transferred into the chemical bonds of the resulting hydrogen molecule. So in essence, manufactured hydrogen is simply a carrier or battery-like storage of the input energy. If the input energy is from fossil fuels, such as oil and gas, then dirty carbon fossil fuel energy is simply transferred into hydrogen. If the input energy is renewable such as solar and wind, then new and clean energy is stored in hydrogen.
While the concept of water splitting is very appealing, the following challenges must be addressed for renewable hydrogen to be commercially viable:
  • Energy Inefficiency — Since hydrogen is an energy carrier, the most energy it can store is 100% of the input energy. However, conventional systems approach to electrolysis lose so much of the input energy in system components, wires and electrodes that only a fraction the solar electricity actually makes it into the hydrogen molecules. This translates to high production cost and is the fundamental problem with water splitting for hydrogen production. HyperSolar is addressing this problem with its low cost and energy efficient technology.
  • Need for Clean Water —Conventional electrolysis requires highly purified clean water to prevent fouling of system components. This prevents current technology from using the large quantities of free water from oceans, rivers, industrial waste and municipal waste as feedstock. HyperSolar's technology is designed to use any natural water or waste water for the unlimited production of renewable hydrogen.
Breakthrough Nanotechnology

Electrolysis water-splitting in its simplest form is the transfer of "input electrons" in the following chemical reactions.
Cathode (reduction): 2 H2O + 2e- -> H2 + 2 OH-
Anode (oxidation): 4 OH- -> O2 + 2 H2O + 4 e-
From these equations it is easy to see that if every input electron (e-) is put to work and not lost, then a maximum amount of input electrons (i.e. energy) is transferred and stored in the hydrogen molecules (H2). Additionally, if there were a very high number of cathode and anode reaction areas within a given volume of water, then a very high number of these reactions could happen simultaneously throughout the medium to split every single water molecule into hydrogen wherever electrons are available.
To address this fundamental electron transfer efficiency problem, HyperSolar is developing a novel nanoparticle to maximally ensure that every single electron is put to work in splitting a water molecule. Our nanoparticle has two very important features:
  • Self-contained Photoelectrochemical Nanosystem — Our low cost nano-size particle technology is designed to mimic photosynthesis and contains a solar absorber that generates electrons from sunlight, as well as integrated cathode and anode areas to readily split water and transfer those electrons to the molecular bonds of hydrogen. Unlike solar panels or wind turbines that produce a sizeable number of electrons that will be lost before reaching the hydrogen bonds, our nanoparticles are optimized at the nano-level to ensure maximal electron generation and utilization efficiency. Consequently, our nanoparticle technology uses substantially fewer photovoltaic elements, an expensive material, than conventional solar panels to achieve the same system level efficiency. Thereby significantly lowering the system cost of what is essentially an electrolysis process.
  • Protective Coating — The biggest problem with submerging photovoltaic elements in water for direct electrolysis is corrosion and short circuiting. To address this problem, we have developed a protective coating that encapsulates key elements of the nanoparticle to allow it to function for a long periods of time in a wide range of water conditions without corrosion. This allows the nanoparticles to be submerged or dissolved into virtually any source of water, such as sea water, runoff water, river water, or waste water, instead of purified distilled water.
By managing the science of electrolysis at the nano-level, we believe that our nanoparticle technology can deliver unmatched cost reductions to enable the commercial production of renewable hydrogen from any sources of water, with sunlight as the only source of energy.
Our nanoparticle technology is a next generation solution. However, during the process of developing this technology, we have achieved a number of discrete technology breakthroughs that have allowed us to develop a commercial solution for today's renewable hydrogen market (see HyperSolar H2Generator).
All very well but this doesn't stop hydrogen being very explosive and you still need to contain it in a compressed form.
 
Generating electricity is the main problem. There is no point in a magical zero-emission engine, when to build it, transport the fuel, compress the gas, store it, and all the rest... you are using up electricity that you got by burning other stuff. You may as well skip out the inefficient bullshit in the middle and just burn the stuff in the car. Let the people breathe in the poison, most of them smoke anyway so what's the difference.

To generate clean electricity you need nuclear power.
Yep, Fusion is the future for the planet, its criminal governments don't pour more money into it, there's a breakthrough waiting to happen, but the private sector wont sponsor it because the research is expensive, and the end result is practically free energy, afterall why should they invest billions into projects which will give them no returns, they shouldn't, this is where governments should step in as free energy will clearly improve the economy and peoples quality of life.
 
The company that produces electricity will still be able to charge for it, you know.

They can charge almost as much as the other electricity companies, and make much more profit.
 
Yep, Fusion is the future for the planet, its criminal governments don't pour more money into it, there's a breakthrough waiting to happen, but the private sector wont sponsor it because the research is expensive, and the end result is practically free energy, afterall why should they invest billions into projects which will give them no returns, they shouldn't, this is where governments should step in as free energy will clearly improve the economy and peoples quality of life.

They do pour money into it, but it gets diluted between hundreds of different bright ideas that people try out, it fails, and you go back to the drawing board. I wouldn't invest my own money in something that risky, those kinds of stupid punts are for the government to take.
 
The company that produces electricity will still be able to charge for it, you know.

They can charge almost as much as the other electricity companies, and make much more profit.
You cant patent electricity made by fusion, and most of the technical advances would be shared in scientific papers and such. Another company will do it cheaper, and then another and so on until they charge near the market rate of sod all, they won't make their money back anywhere near quick enough for it to be deemed worthwhile.

Obviously there's a profit to be made, but its a massive risk due to low margins and huge research costs, current energy solutions are a much better bet for them, that's why it'll take a brave entrepreneur, probably someone who's passionate about clean energy, for it to ever happen.
 
You cant patent electricity made by fusion, and most of the technical advances would be shared in scientific papers and such. Another company will do it cheaper, and then another and so on until they charge near the market rate of sod all, they won't make their money back anywhere near quick enough for it to be deemed worthwhile.

Obviously there's a profit to be made, but its a massive risk due to low margins and huge research costs, current energy solutions are a much better bet for them, that's why it'll take a brave entrepreneur, probably someone who's passionate about clean energy, for it to ever happen.
I'm sure that the government won't just start handing out licences to companies so they can start up nuclear fusion plants willy-nilly.
 
If only that technology can be released to people that can't even change a wheel.
Do you know that when your car needs more petrol, you don't need to change the tank? You can refill it!

Madness, I know.
 
Birmingham university (england) has hydrogen powered cars & a filling station, as a proof of concept type thingy. They've been using them for 8 years with no incidents now.
 
Birmingham university (england) has hydrogen powered cars & a filling station, as a proof of concept type thingy. They've been using them for 8 years with no incidents now.
What is stopping the adoption of hydrogen cars, are there still some technical hurdles? It seems like a no brainer to push forward with them, I'm sure there's more to it than oil companies resisting.
 
Birmingham university (england) has hydrogen powered cars & a filling station, as a proof of concept type thingy. They've been using them for 8 years with no incidents now.
We have a food processor that doesn't work until the lid is locked in place. I'm sure that if we can be trusted to pump our own petrol then we can use a device that has some sort of locking mechanism, only a bit more airtight than our food processor.
 
What is stopping the adoption of hydrogen cars, are there still some technical hurdles? It seems like a no brainer to push forward with them, I'm sure there's more to it than oil companies resisting.
I thought it was the whole 'takes more energy to produce than it yields' thingy that was discussed earlier?

They've (read loads of companies & universities worldwide) developed loads of systems & engines, a whole infrastructure with working fully tested concepts, but until it becomes viable to produce in mass there's no point going ahead.
 
I thought it was the whole 'takes more energy to produce than it yields' thingy that was discussed earlier?

They've (read loads of companies & universities worldwide) developed loads of systems & engines, a whole infrastructure with working fully tested concepts, but until it becomes viable to produce in mass there's no point going ahead.

Ah I missed that.
 
Solar hydrolysers and PEM fuel cells are the real future. When they use water as a fuel its gonna get interesting
 
With estimates of less than 30 years oil reserves (cheaply produced oil at least) left, that may not be that long, cos over the next decade that oil price is gonna shoot up.

Not necessarily true, many estimates put it higher than that. The trouble is that if we actually burn it all the planet will be irretrievably fucked so....

A easily produced biofuel would be a great thing, trouble is of course do you need to chop down a rainforest to have enough land to produce the stuff??
 
Hydrogen would have replaced fossil fuel 30 years ago If proper research and funding was made available. Fossil fuel is worth trillions a year to the world economy, an alternative fuel that is so cheap could devestate the world economy.
 
There are already around 100 hydrogen refill thingies put in place at petrol stations in Japan right now.
Not a lot, of course, but it's a start.
 
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