Fernando.

[vantage]

[quote author=juniormember link=topic=47645.msg1436603#msg1436603 date=1322783368]
I'd have him back on loan. I think him and Suarez could have an amazing partnership.
Not that it'll happen in a million years.
[/quote]
I really don't see how anyone could say they would have an amazing partnership. He has Anelka, Sturridge & Drogba to form an amazing partnerships with but has failed. Maybe he is better alone?

 

[Modo]

[quote author=vantage link=topic=47645.msg1436605#msg1436605 date=1322784932]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=47645.msg1436603#msg1436603 date=1322783368]
I'd have him back on loan. I think him and Suarez could have an amazing partnership.
Not that it'll happen in a million years.
[/quote]
I really don't see how anyone could say they would have an amazing partnership. He has Anelka, Sturridge & Drogba to form an amazing partnerships with but has failed. Maybe he is better alone?
[/quote]
Exactly, Torres should play alone upfront.

 

[Fabio]

Never looked good next to Villa or drogba has he

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47645.msg1436609#msg1436609 date=1322785742]
Never looked good next to Villa or drogba has he
[/quote]
Example his best game in Euro 2008 was when he played alone upfront in the final due to Villa's injury.

 

[juniormember]

Does Suarez play like any one of the strikers mentioned?
So Torres has never looked good playing with an out-and-out striker. He played well with Gerrard and Kuyt.
Suarez is all over the pitch and creates a ton of chances for those around him, as well as for himself of course.

I just don't see how his current predicament at Chelsea and his performances alongside Villa could possibly be compared to the imaginary partnership with Suarez.

 

[HC]

This club was the perfect environment from him.

The manager,the environment,his on the pitch relationship with gerrard, the feel good spanish factor,the fans, the high feel-good, low-pressure.

It was a perfect storm for the lad.

It'll never be the same for him ever again, at this club or anywhere else.

 

[Modo]

Chelsea fans are starting to get frustrated with Torres.
See if you can find any similarities between their comments and those posted here during his last season at LFC.

The pick of the litter:


[quote author=The Bouncy]
Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:37 AM
Starting to lose my patience with him. He hasn't scored in the league, iirc, since he got sent off at home to Swansea and hasn't regained that short period of good form he had.

I feel like I wanna start rolling out the excuses for him again... he needs a pre-season - it's November for goodness sake.

I'm still supporting him but I want Drogba to start up front for us now. Torres, quite simply doesn't deserve to. Not only is he playing poorly but he seems to be looking more and more uninterested as the games go on (something you couldn't say about him last season).

One things for sure, at this point in time, I wish we'd never bought him. It was more fun calling him a fat Paris Hilton than what it is watching him play for Chelsea. 😛

Still, here's hoping he comes good but if he hasn't by the end of the season I'd say get rid. I feel the whole situation isn't just weighing him down, it's weighing the whole club down and quite frankly for the manager, owner, players and fans - it's embarassing.

We need a new striker in Jan too. Some European player (heard there's a few good ones at Napoli) who'll cost around £25mil.
[/quote]

[quote author=bert19]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 09:54 AM
I've always been a big fan of Fernando and really want him to succeed here, but seriously, after watching last night's game, he just needs a boot up the posterior and a reminder of what he's being paid for.
[/quote]

[quote author=jangz]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:37 PM
Dont know what to make of his performance.. stuck out wide right initially.. where he was completely in effectual did not have any luck in the center.. with lpool playing deep there was no space behind the CBs also since none of the Chelsea players apart from sturridge.. and sometimes mata.. so crosses which are coming in are from the deep...
dont see how this will improve that is the frustrating part..
[/quote]

[quote author=Monello]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:01 PM
I'm sorry but the problem with him is that he rarely gets involved in the game. At least when Drogba struggles, he becomes a bitch and tries to foul everyone; Torres just looks like he doesn't care.
[/quote]

[quote author=sebcfc]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 03:25 PM
If I am being honest, I can't see how this guy is now going to be considered anything other than an almighty flop.
[/quote]

[quote author=Bob Singleton]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:04 PM
I, on the other hand, have never been a fan of Torres, never wanted him here in the first place, have consistently derided his lazy attitude and just wish he would apologise to everyone, repay all the money we've given him and wages and left!
[/quote]

[quote author=BluesMata8]

Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:56 PM
I have to say, watching Torres playing is just so incredibly frustrating. Yes, he isn't getting the right service from the players but that excuse is getting dull and pathetic. What annoys me most now is how easily he's being out-muscled by other players. I know he's not exactly that strong physically but really, he hardly puts in a fight when being challenged for the ball. He more often than not always trying to win a foul in which he hardly gets.
[/quote]

[quote author=Fentini]

Posted Yesterday, 12:43 PM
Sorry complete and utter dud .

I had so much faith in him ,still have him in my fantasy team .

But he will be gone this weekend.

Complete waste of space .

What is it and forwards with us , Drogba and Dixon have been about it since the 80s
[/quote]

[quote author=daniel ikemba]

Posted Yesterday, 06:10 PM
the blame should go to the person wo scouted Toress. Chelsea was looking for a goalscorer and they went for Toress?? really? A guy who has averaged 17 goals in all competition per season al his career and only had ONE! ONE! ONE season were he scored 30+ goals??? Toress has never been, is not now and will never be a finisher. Like I said, the blame goes to the person who selected Toress and felt he should be chelsea's finisher.
[/quote]

[quote author=Kinol]

Posted Yesterday, 06:45 PM
All this no service talk is just nonsense. Was I the only1 that saw how Lukaku owned Torres in terms of positioning during the Liverpool game. The ball found him lots of times both outside the box, inside the box and in the air. Lukaku is still young still have a lot to learn in terms of ball handling and so on but a lot of creed to him. Torres should learn
[/quote]

DEJA VU, NO?

 

[tombrown]

Toress has never been, is not now and will never be a finisher

wow

 

[Buddha]

I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie made a bid for him in January.

Would he go there?

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47645.msg1436637#msg1436637 date=1322810773]
I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie made a bid for him in January.

Would he go there?
[/quote]

He would.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=47645.msg1436638#msg1436638 date=1322811090]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=47645.msg1436637#msg1436637 date=1322810773]
I wouldn't be surprised if Fergie made a bid for him in January.

Would he go there?

[/quote]

He would.
[/quote]
Probably so. And with Rooney playing the Gerrard role in behind him...

 

[Ossi]

[quote author=vantage link=topic=47645.msg1#msg1 date=1322784932]
[quote author=juniormember link=topic=47645.msg1436603#msg1436603 date=1322783368]
I'd have him back on loan. I think him and Suarez could have an amazing partnership.
Not that it'll happen in a million years.
[/quote]
I really don't see how anyone could say they would have an amazing partnership. He has Anelka, Sturridge & Drogba to form an amazing partnerships with but has failed. Maybe he is better alone?
[/quote]

Not that I'm crazy about the idea of having him back but Drogba, Anelka and Torres have quit similar styles. Torres needs someone who seeks his runs, Anelka and Drogba don't do that- they go for the goal themselves. Suarez and Torres would be fantastic...with a Torres in form.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47645.msg1436633#msg1436633 date=1322808224]

Toress has never been, is not now and will never be a finisher

wow
[/quote]

Haha... The highest scoring debut season import ever is 'not' a finisher.

I'd have him back in a flash.

 

[Richey]

Yeah he'd go to United like a shot. He's not really got anyone left to piss off. Whether United will go for him is another matter. Can't think of many times when they have 'rescued' players who are struggling. They tend to sign them when they're doing well already.

I still think Torres has probably had enough of England now and will try to go back to Spain or go to Italy or something.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=47645.msg1436649#msg1436649 date=1322813493]
Yeah he'd go to United like a shot. He's not really got anyone left to piss off. Whether United will go for him is another matter. Can't think of many times when they have 'rescued' players who are struggling. They tend to sign them when they're doing well already.

I still think Torres has probably had enough of England now and will try to go back to Spain or go to Italy or something.
[/quote]

Aye, it's the six months in between though, if someone takes him on loan and he does well..

 

[Y1]

If he comes back as a loan, is worth the punt. Surely he cannot go from good to bad so quickly.

 

[Richey]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47645.msg1436665#msg1436665 date=1322817854]
If he comes back as a loan, is worth the punt. Surely he cannot go from good to bad so quickly.
[/quote]

Most players are worth a try on loan but even Chelsea aren't stupid enough to buy someone for £50 million and then send him back to the club they got him from for nothing 12 months later.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=47645.msg1436683#msg1436683 date=1322818717]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47645.msg1436665#msg1436665 date=1322817854]
If he comes back as a loan, is worth the punt. Surely he cannot go from good to bad so quickly.
[/quote]

Most players are worth a try on loan but even Chelsea aren't stupid enough to buy someone for £50 million and then send him back to the club they got him from for nothing 12 months later.
[/quote]

One never knows... however I would not pay more than 10 mil for him now though.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47645.msg1436648#msg1436648 date=1322813474]
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47645.msg1436633#msg1436633 date=1322808224]

Toress has never been, is not now and will never be a finisher

wow
[/quote]

Haha... The highest scoring debut season import ever is 'not' a finisher.

I'd have him back in a flash.
[/quote]

I don't think he's a pure finisher Mark - He's not Fowler, or Owen, or RvN. He had two brilliant years in his entire career.

 

[the count]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=47645.msg1436683#msg1436683 date=1322818717]
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47645.msg1436665#msg1436665 date=1322817854]
If he comes back as a loan, is worth the punt. Surely he cannot go from good to bad so quickly.
[/quote]

Most players are worth a try on loan but even Chelsea aren't stupid enough to buy someone for £50 million and then send him back to the club they got him from for nothing 12 months later.
[/quote]Unless there was a buyout clause for £25m at the end of the loan period.
At the moment I doubt if he would get much more than £10m on the transfer market.
Send him back to Liverpool hope that he rediscovers his form and therefore increase his worth when you ship him out in the summer

 

[spider-Neil]

sheva and then torres, chelsea know how to ruin strikers quality strikers.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Richey link=topic=47645.msg1436649#msg1436649 date=1322813493]
Yeah he'd go to United like a shot. He's not really got anyone left to piss off. Whether United will go for him is another matter. Can't think of many times when they have 'rescued' players who are struggling. They tend to sign them when they're doing well already.

I still think Torres has probably had enough of England now and will try to go back to Spain or go to Italy or something.
[/quote]

He's said in the past that he'd like to try Serie A, and there are rumours that he said it again recently. I'm not sure how well it would suit him TBH, but I can't see Barca or Real going in for him now, so it may represent his last chance of a move to a really big club.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=47645.msg1436665#msg1436665 date=1322817854]
If he comes back as a loan, is worth the punt. Surely he cannot go from good to bad so quickly.
[/quote]

You know the way they same form is temporary, class is permanent. Maybe for Torres it was a case of form rather than class.

 

[Mystic]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47645.msg1436691#msg1436691 date=1322819709]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=47645.msg1436648#msg1436648 date=1322813474]
[quote author=tombrown link=topic=47645.msg1436633#msg1436633 date=1322808224]

Toress has never been, is not now and will never be a finisher

wow
[/quote]

Haha... The highest scoring debut season import ever is 'not' a finisher.

I'd have him back in a flash.
[/quote]

I don't think he's a pure finisher Mark - He's not Fowler, or Owen, or RvN. He had two brilliant years in his entire career.
[/quote]

He's a brilliant finisher, maybe not as clinical as Fowler, but up there. Great in the air, great with technique, great from far out, great at tapping in, you cannot fault his finishing. Three attributes made him great, his speed, his strength and his finishing. Thats why he's struggling at Chelsea, his game isn't very versatile, he needs to play the way we play, off the shoulder and attacking space. Chelsea have never played like that and we have for as long as I can remember, if he came back tomorrow he'd fit right in and score 12+ by the end of the season. He may have only had two brilliants year, only the likes of Messi and Ronaldo usually have more, Rooney has only had 2 maybe three brilliant seasons, same with Lampard. In those seasons where he wasn't brilliant he still knocked up 10-15+ goals.

The only reason I would hesitate about bringing him back is because it might have an adverse effect on morale, if it doesn't, well I'll give him a lift back home.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Where was this finishing during his times with Atleti or the Spanish national team? Someone post his goalscoring stats with Atleti.

 

[Jack D Rips]

GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
Torres has got no intention of going back to Liverpool. Liverpool has got no intention to bring him back. I dont think you can change that
18 minutes ago

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=47645.msg1436754#msg1436754 date=1322827999]
GuillemBalague Guillem Balague
Torres has got no intention of going back to Liverpool. Liverpool has got no intention to bring him back. I dont think you can change that
18 minutes ago
[/quote]

Good

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47645.msg1436752#msg1436752 date=1322827974]
Where was this finishing during his times with Atleti or the Spanish national team? Someone post his goalscoring stats with Atleti.
[/quote]

Atletico - 91 in 249 games
Lpool - 81 in 142
Chav - 5 in 33

 

[Athens]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47645.msg1436761#msg1436761 date=1322828562]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47645.msg1436752#msg1436752 date=1322827974]
Where was this finishing during his times with Atleti or the Spanish national team? Someone post his goalscoring stats with Atleti.
[/quote]

Atletico - 91 in 249 games
Lpool - 81 in 142
Chav - 5 in 33
[/quote]
Did Atletico play him the way we did? I remember when we signed him I thought to myself he would be lucky to bag 20 goals. How wrong was I?

 

[doctor_mac]

[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=47645.msg1436769#msg1436769 date=1322828989]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=47645.msg1436761#msg1436761 date=1322828562]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=47645.msg1436752#msg1436752 date=1322827974]
Where was this finishing during his times with Atleti or the Spanish national team? Someone post his goalscoring stats with Atleti.
[/quote]

Atletico - 91 in 249 games
Lpool - 81 in 142
Chav - 5 in 33
[/quote]
Did Atletico play him the way we did? I remember when we signed him I thought to myself he would be lucky to bag 20 goals. How wrong was I?
[/quote]

No, he played in a more withdrawn role for them. Can I just say that Judas broke, nay shattered goalscoring records at every youth level he played at in Spain, right up until he became an Athleti player at what, 17?

Yes, there are no doubts that Rafa played to his strengths, but by God, he had them in spades. And loads of his goals weren't about playing quickly to allow him to beat the defender, but were to do with his ability to slalom through defences, and make room to get the shot away from the edge of the box. He had a range of talents. He was obscenely good when he put the effort in. I still remember the joy of his first goal against the Chavs. Beautiful.