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I think pretty much everyone on here says Fabs is a critical member of the team and that we suffer without him. Look at the comments when he was out injured or forced to play at CB. And saying the Fabs-Thiago partnership is superb doesn't just mean Thiago ! LoL.
There are a few key components to our current team at its peak : Ali, VvD, TAA, Fabs, Thiago, Mo & Mane (or now Diaz if he is his replacement). But this debate is about Thiago's worth.
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I'm really disappointed in the way Keita has turned out (so far). He was superb in the BL, and we've seen flashes of that here, but he just hasn't be able to play consistently at that level. That said yesterday in what was probably the most dynamic, energy-sapping and powerful display put on by any two teams this season he more than held his own until replaced. There's still hope.
But thiagos worth is only measured by Fabinho being there. If he's not, you can't say he's some transformative beast.
Thiago offers a difference to all our other mids, and he is clearly better than most as his range of passing is ridiculous. He;s also a yellow card waiting to happen
My issue is hyping him to some obscene level, when he's reliant on someone else to do the dirty work.
Keita was fucking shite and barely involved.
Masters footy is back on sky. Sorted
Well obviously not. Just because a partnership works beautifully doesn't mean one or the other is totally dependant. Neither is. It's just that together they are next level, dovetailing beautifully.
The Yellow Card bit is well overdone. Pro-rata he's not even in the Top 10 in our squad !
Milner 5 (26 games)
Robbo 5 + 1 Red (27)
Fabs 4 (26)
Konate 4 (13)
TAA 3 (31)
Hendo 3 (29)
Tsimikas 2 (14)
VvD 2 (33)
Jota 2 (27)
Matip 2 (30)
Keita 1 (13)
Thiago 1 (12)
Jones 1 (13)
Morton 2 (6)
We definitely need at least one midfielder in the summer. Irrespective of which tweaks we make to the system or the team, Klopp is never going to change the fact that his teams are high intensity and require very high levels of fitness. In that respect, our midfield right now is creaking due to the loss of Gini the decline / aging of Henderson, Milner and Firmino. Henderson is still good for some games but he can't do it for 50-60 games a season. We need a very good player to come in and fill that gap.
Beyond that, how much we invest in the midfield depends on whether you think Elliot and / or Jones have a long-term future as first choice midfielders.
I think Klopp needs to deal with the Keita / Thiago situation in the summer rather than drag it out for another season. I can't help but feel that we'll keep them both though.
Beyond that, how much we invest in the midfield depends on whether you think Elliot and / or Jones have a long-term future as first choice midfielders.
I think Klopp needs to deal with the Keita / Thiago situation in the summer rather than drag it out for another season. I can't help but feel that we'll keep them both though.
Our success came primarily from focusing on a certain age profile - Fabinho, Salah, Mane, Robertson, Allison, Jota, and now Diaz. Youngish with great potential with an ability to step up to a whole new level within a year or two. Thiago was a departure from that model which is why I was a bit against it. Great player no doubt but still prefer if we would have stuck to our approach.
Don't think he is a problem in isolation. But when you consider him along with Ox and Keita, that is a huge problem. Of the three, he has definitely shown more. But given that the other two were already here, still feel we should have gone for someone more robust.
This feels like Klopp's version of Ferguson purchasing Van Persie. Knows he is on his way out and takes a gamble on an injury prone player who is going to maximize his chances of winning trophies in the next two years, if he remains fit.
The success of Thiago's signing will be heavily based on if he remains fit at the business end of this season. If he remains fit, we win one of the big ones and the signing has been a success. If not, the signing was not a good one. Klopp has earned that right to gamble a bit but it is very atypical of him as he always takes a long term perspective.
Me too. Big fan.
Nah Thiago has been great this season for me, but even then I still see him as a stop gap from what would make Liverpool the perfect team.
I still think we lack the type of midfielders that City have on tap. A midfielder that can confidently beat his man with a dribble.
Thiago is more of a playmaker but imagine if we had a Debryune, Grealish, Foden Bernardo type in our midfield then we would be able to actually have some true dynamism in our team. At the moment we are hoping that Elliott becomes that guy but they could be a few years away.
We laugh at Coutinho but it only we were rich enough to not have to sell him and still buy the players we bought with his money.
I still think we lack the type of midfielders that City have on tap. A midfielder that can confidently beat his man with a dribble.
Thiago is more of a playmaker but imagine if we had a Debryune, Grealish, Foden Bernardo type in our midfield then we would be able to actually have some true dynamism in our team. At the moment we are hoping that Elliott becomes that guy but they could be a few years away.
We laugh at Coutinho but it only we were rich enough to not have to sell him and still buy the players we bought with his money.
It’s weird but I don’t think of Greahlish or Foden as midfielders. They play out wide or up top in the false 9 position for City.
DeBruyne isn’t a top class ball carrier, certainly no better than Gini nor Jones for that matter. I mean he’s no Coutinho when running at defenders.
Silva has played in central midfield. So there’s that’s but I would say he plays out wide more often than not.
DeBruyne isn’t a top class ball carrier, certainly no better than Gini nor Jones for that matter. I mean he’s no Coutinho when running at defenders.
Silva has played in central midfield. So there’s that’s but I would say he plays out wide more often than not.
There are some good arguments in this thread but its quite clear that we are a better team this season and that there are several reasons for that.
One of them are Thiago. His skill set is unique and his vision and passing ability is in the top tier of the World.
One of the biggest reasons that we are now seeing such an improved midfield performance is the combinations we can field.
Fabinho - Thiago - Henderson/Elliott gives us steel, the ability to dictate the tempo and dynamism/running. All complimentary and makes a unit that can do everything. In other words its not solely player based but more the combinations and a key part of that is obviously Thiago.
This has taken our midfield to a new and higher level and was probably also Klopp's plan last season but that was hampered by injuries to CBs and playing Fabinho out of position.
Thats why I dont see him as a luxury signing but more of a cog in Klopp's plan to revitalize the midfield and change our apporach.
He's 30 and was older than our usual signings but he's also a unique player that brings something to the team that we were lacking. Like many have said on here. The window of success is a narrow one for the players in this team and the addition of Thiago gives us a bigger chance of winning silverware.
For the record, I wouldn't sign Tielemans. A very good player but he's not what we need at this moment of time. We need a player that can play as both a 6 and an 8. Young, dynamic and that will add some steel to the team. Someone who can both play with and instead of Fabinho.
And, given how his career has fizzled out at PSG it actually looks to me like we cut Gini at the right moment of time.
One of them are Thiago. His skill set is unique and his vision and passing ability is in the top tier of the World.
One of the biggest reasons that we are now seeing such an improved midfield performance is the combinations we can field.
Fabinho - Thiago - Henderson/Elliott gives us steel, the ability to dictate the tempo and dynamism/running. All complimentary and makes a unit that can do everything. In other words its not solely player based but more the combinations and a key part of that is obviously Thiago.
This has taken our midfield to a new and higher level and was probably also Klopp's plan last season but that was hampered by injuries to CBs and playing Fabinho out of position.
Thats why I dont see him as a luxury signing but more of a cog in Klopp's plan to revitalize the midfield and change our apporach.
He's 30 and was older than our usual signings but he's also a unique player that brings something to the team that we were lacking. Like many have said on here. The window of success is a narrow one for the players in this team and the addition of Thiago gives us a bigger chance of winning silverware.
For the record, I wouldn't sign Tielemans. A very good player but he's not what we need at this moment of time. We need a player that can play as both a 6 and an 8. Young, dynamic and that will add some steel to the team. Someone who can both play with and instead of Fabinho.
And, given how his career has fizzled out at PSG it actually looks to me like we cut Gini at the right moment of time.
The midfield looks good. But The Ox isn't good enough, too early to say for sure about Elliott, Hendo is coming up 32, Jones, after a flamboyant start, has settled down to be a reliable, solid midfielder. Keita has his critics and to be fair runs hot and cold. Thiago is quality but misses so many games. Fabinho is a top player.
Could be claimed this midfield squad punches above it's weight and a lot is down to Klopp, his tactical nous, his motivation, and the privilege of playing for this club and the fans. It's always an evolving squad, and we could do with another Coutinho type (152/41) to give us more goal threat from midfield.
Could be claimed this midfield squad punches above it's weight and a lot is down to Klopp, his tactical nous, his motivation, and the privilege of playing for this club and the fans. It's always an evolving squad, and we could do with another Coutinho type (152/41) to give us more goal threat from midfield.
Yep. Our equivalents of Grealish, Foden and Silva are Mane, Mo and Jota (and now Diaz) ! De Bruyne is the best midfielder in the world, we'd have to be exceptionally lucky to find the new, undiscovered, new DB.
Both Keita and Thiago can beat players but we don't have anyone at Countinho's level at present. But we don't play that way, that's what our wide players (FBs and Forwards) do.
Well, I am fairly confident Fabinho, Thiago, Elliott, Henderson praise each other on a consistent basis 😉
@Frogfish
- You don't buy those irreplaceable players if you know they are injury prone unless you have enough money to have multiples. They can derail your season too easily.
- Our midfield is 2 injuries away from being in as much trouble as our defense was last season. Because it is too old and injury prone on a whole to deal with our schedule unless they are all there... When you're counting Chamberlain as part of an ace midfield you prove my point. Our weak period this year came from a slight injury crisis in midfield and its a weak spot in our squad 10000%.
Sorry but if that is your reasoning then you need to have a word with Klopp and the scouting team.
What a great reply.
It's very sweet that you both constantly jump to each others defence.
Sweet and tragic.
Our mid is easily our weakest area now. Fab gets injured our performances drop off a cliff. Ideally we need to be getting a backup CDM, a new CM to replace the aging members of the squad, as well as offer similar attributes to thiago whilst being fit.
A young up and coming CDM would be ideal, as it offers chance to mould him in to a young fab; although i've no suggestions. Tielemans is the other one i want
A young up and coming CDM would be ideal, as it offers chance to mould him in to a young fab; although i've no suggestions. Tielemans is the other one i want
I feel like Kostas brings just as much to the team off the pitch as he does on, maybe more
Lightening did strike twice with both our left backs.
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