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Haha just telling it like I heard it man. Bellingham is numero uno target and has been for the last 2 years - lots of groundwork done already and it’s looking good. 90m. That’s all true but it doesn’t mean he’ll sign. My ‘not so flexible buddy’ works on the agent/media front - He tells me (Unsurprisingly) it’s fucking cut-throat. As I said in the Diaz thread - Led by Edwards initially and now Ward - LFC has built an outstanding rep for just being ‘decent’ during negotiations. That is something that is not lost on parents of young footy talent. I’ll tell you another thing he pointed out to me too. The success of Trent, Jones even Robertson and now Elliott is a massive bonus point for the reds. It was an image designed by Edwards and implemented by Klopp and his staff. appaz.

He cultivated an image (rightly) of genuinely nurturing talent. Particularly the nippers. That’s massive - depending on how money hungry the parents are - If it’s about money then it’s Utd or City - If its genuinely about playing 1st team footy and learning and developing more it’s LFC hands down ) ….. He also did say that the impact Sancho has had with Utd and how much he went for (along with his pre-sale reputation) has changed a lot of things - His initial failure at Utd has only strengthened this for the Reds. That was a few weeks ago tho (when his stock was rock bottom) The twat has started scoring now though 🙄 … We’ll see soon enough I guess.
I think your friend may be referring to Jobe.. rather than Jude.
 


Klopp said in the post-match interview that maybe “it was my fault Fabinho didn’t score so much before.” Apparently this season Fabs in much more involved in the attacking set-pieces and we are reaping the rewards. I remember he used to score a fair amount of goals from corners in Monaco; he is really hard to defend as he is not afraid to put his body where it hurts and his movement in the box is quite intelligent, as we saw with this goal. Today this one adjustment made all the difference.
 
Totally, and they were both very good yesterday, but I think we were already controlling the game much better in the second half. I think that big lump getting injured helped a bit later on too
 
Thiago ensured that we kept the ball in the team, slow downed when we needed to and controlled the game. Exactly what we were lacking prior to his inclusion.
 


Like I said in the match thread, Hendo-Thiago partnership looked just as good as the one with Fabs. Hendo moves the ball a bit quicker and is better at through-balls, Fabs is better at winning duels and turning defense into attack instantly. Both great options to have, as long as Thiago stays fit.
 

[article]“Adaptation. Connection. Purpose.”

In Brazil, Valeria Alcantara has shared several vignettes on the early sketches of a football intellect.

The volleyball star that represented her country 25 times would watch in wonderment as her son, only four, would speed into the house collecting shoes to line them up as cones.

Having just returned from watching his father, World-Cup winning Mazinho, train with Valencia, the boy would mirror the drills and dribble through the maze of footwear.

It would amaze Valeria what little Thiago would pick up as he grew, not only from a technical perspective but a professional one: paying attention to what his dad would eat or drink, listening to talks from managers, demanding critique on his sessions or performances.

He could adapt too, adopting cultures and differences, footballing or otherwise, when he shifted between Spain and Brazil, owing to Mazinho’s career.

Thiago, per his mother, didn’t just want to play football: “He thinks it too.” At 13, he was already pinned down as special, with Ureca club president Juan Diaz telling Faro de Vigo he was born for the sport and “towered above everyone, from a technical, physical and maturity standpoint.”

What was true then still resonates now. How it is possible to stand out - to still seem otherworldly - in a Liverpool team that features phenoms at both ends of the pitch like Virgil van Dijk and Mohamed Salah?

To watch Thiago is to see someone operate on a different sphere to others, playing the game in the future and with purpose. He has become absolutely core to how Liverpool want to control matches and it is quite visible that there are contrasting versions of the team with and without him on the pitch.

‘You read the player, and read the play’: Thiago developed an understanding of the game from a young age

It is insane that a year ago the midfielder was widely being accused of not fitting in at Anfield and “slowing the tempo.” The accusation, erroneous in all respects, suggested Thiago was trying to force Liverpool into a more possession-based approach instead of adjusting to Jurgen Klopp’s requirements.

The reality is there has been no player more effective in implementing the manager’s evolution of the team more than the 30-year-old. And when asked what characteristics most defined Thiago’s football, a member of the backroom team offered: “Adaptation. Connection. Purpose.”

There can be no surprise that someone born in Italy to a Brazilian World Cup winner, who is a Spain international that has represented Barcelona and was immense for Bayern Munich, is adept at adjusting.

Thiago has spent his entire football life fusing opposing styles, influences and expectations, succeeding regardless of the requirements and the increased speed of the game. “Those of us who are not so fast with our legs have to be faster in our heads,” he previously explained.

At Liverpool, Thiago has been tasked with offering creativity and control centrally, reducing the reliance of that coming from the full-backs, and providing variety. This is a whole new function for a solid midfield that was successful in delivering top silverware, but had to change to provide greater avenues of progressive dominance. Thiago has successfully led the revolution.

Liverpool are a different team without Thiago and his record alongside Fabinho in midfield is impressive

There are the eye-widening moments like the 50-yard ‘no look’ pass to Kostas Tsimikas in the build-up to the third goal against Norwich and that goal over Porto, where he ran onto the ball, lent back ever so slightly as he used the cushioning of his right foot to cut straight through it and somehow managed to make it glide just above the grass before nestling into the bottom corner.

But the magic is also in how he effortlessly dictates the tempo and direction, while also looking to play forward at every chance.

Thiago often receives the ball by uniquely rolling his foot over it, stopping it dead and causing his marker to slow down before rapidly switching it to one side and away from the opponent. This is a trademark, but he is also well versed to using his first touch to take the ball out of danger.

Thiago’s ability to shift his body weight to create a yard of space or leave an opposition player in his shadow is a thing of beauty and also a product of being sharper in his mind. The momentum of an approaching opponent is ultimately used against them.

The connection with his team-mates is obvious from that pass to Tsimikas but also noticeable with every decision he makes on the ball, the moments that don’t make a highlights clip.

Xabi Alonso, who played with Thiago at Bayern, told his former club Liverpool that they can expect a player who “connects with team-mates very easily and makes the game easier for them. He thinks for you.”

In an interview with The Independent, Thiago spoke about his process. “You have to understand who you’re giving the ball to, if he’s left-footed or right-footed, and secondly to know the move,” he said.

“If it’s a move where the defence is very high, and you’re going to open play, it has to be faster and inside the centre-half. It’s two things, you read the player, and read the play.

“I think for every team to understand that intensity of pass is essential. Apart from that, you don’t just give a pass for the sake of it. You give a pass specific to the game, and the play.

“You don’t think of the name. You think of the player he is for who he is. So, you interpret it like a chess piece you have in front of you, that you know what way it can move.”


The only issue Liverpool have with Thiago is fitness-related. He cannot play every minute and will not start the majority of games in a season. But perhaps the inverse would be too unkind on all the opponents that attempt close him down.

Whenever he is on the pitch, Thiago is a marvel - but more than that, he is Liverpool’s controller and a key to triumph.
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I love that all these 'sell him', 'move him on' 'he's shit' (yes there are some) posters are utterly utterly silent.

*listens, hears a pin drop*
He’s been boss since he stopped getting injured. It’s only been a month though.
 
He's been boss because he is boss. It took him a while to adapt to the pace of the league and how Klopp wants to play.
Now he just plays with that effortless swag we saw at Bayern.
Fucking love watching him play.
 
Let’s hope he stays fit for the next 3 months. Can you say he will with any degree of confidence? I can’t.
 
Let’s hope he stays fit for the next 3 months. Can you say he will with any degree of confidence? I can’t.
Come on momo, this is a bit silly...

You can't say anyone will stay fit with confidence because injuries happen to all players.

He's also had the horror tackle from Richarlison and then Covid as well to deal with...
 
Come on momo, this is a bit silly...

You can't say anyone will stay fit with confidence because injuries happen to all players.

He's also had the horror tackle from Richarlison and then Covid as well to deal with...
He’s made of biscuits. You can say with confidence you don’t expect Fabs, Virgil, Salah and Mané to get an injury.

Thiago has missed 40+ games in a season and half. That horror tackle was meant to be a few weeks out. Then he had a “setback” and missed 3 months. He got covid then still had an injwhixh put him out. He’s the same as Keita. I’m just waiting for him to be out with a strain at some point and miss 3 weeks.
 
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Thiago works best when we have already wrestled control of the game. This is partly why he struggled last year. With midfielders playing at CB's, and still playing a suicidal highline, we were often engaged to end-to-end pin ball matches with the result a complete lottery. With VVD and Matip back to their best and fit, and Fabinho back in the anchoring role, we're able to push the full backs forward and suffocate opposition with the high-press, with little out balls available. Thiago then has all the room to strut his passing, dribbling and general swag, similar to how he was for Bayern. That's not to say he cannot do the dirty stuff - but we didn't sign the lad to be chasing back towards his goal. Similar to Xabi and other deep lying play-makers, Thiago simply needs a platform to deliver, and that platform is harder to achieve in a 4-3-3 then a 4-2-3-1.

If he stays fit until the end of the season then we'll be right on City until the end, IMO. He's sublime.
 
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Thiago works best when we have already wrestled control of the game. This is partly why he struggled to last year. With midfielders playing at CB's and still playing a suicidal highline we were often engaged to end-to-end pin ball matches with the result a complete lottery. With VVD and Matip back to their best and fit and Fabinho back in the anchoring role we're able to push the full backs forward and suffocate opposition with the high-press, with little out balls available. Thiago then has all the room to strut his passing, dribbling and general swag similar to how he was for Bayern. That's not to say he can't do the dirty stuff, but we didn't sign the lad to be chasing back towards his goal. Similar to Xabi and other deep lying play-makers he simply needs a platform to deliver, and that platform is harder to achieve in a 4-3-3 then a 4-2-3-1.

That's a really good point.
 
I'd still sell him, especially now that he's had a decent spell and someone might waste money on him
 
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