Thiago did his
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Thiago did his
Lol, dude... just cause you don't understand the position we had doesn't mean you should simplify it down to "he's shit".
He is a luxury player that raises the ceiling of your team not the floor. He can be exposed in the wrong setup... would he be able to dominate the PL without Virgil, Fabinho and Matip all at the peak of their powers... Not in the same way as he has deficiencies to his game. He needs to be accommodated. I still would have kept Gini over Thiago. Because Thiago gets injured and Gini doesn't. In addition, Thiago effects the whole style of play more, meaning when we miss him we have to change our style more. Similar to Trent, so the fact he gets injured so often is a problem... We look extra not creative when he isn't around as we get dependent on him.
Thiago is a boss player... but he wasn't right for us and even though he will make us a much better side when he is part of it and we have a good base outside of him... I would choose for Liverpool, who don't spend as much as its competitors, to have a player who always plays almost every game and shows up in the biggest of games, rather than an absolute rockstar, who dominates a lot of games he plays but can never be relied on fully...
I was quiet about Thiago cause I don't like bashing Liverpool players. I try never to unless they are just painfully below standard... Thiago was and never was going to be that... But he is a puzzle piece with a weird shape... But the current best 11 of Liverpool could fit almost any puzzle piece in it. When we were first having this discussion... he didn't fit into that Liverpool's best side due to an injury crisis to the base he needs to perform on.
If Klopp has a fault, it's that he taxes the hell out of his players' bodies and doesn't always know/care if they have the durability for it or not. He may not of thought of it as one, but it always was one to me.
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I'm inclined to disagree.
I think with him it was a case of him being available relatively cheaply and wanting specifically to come here so it was almost too hard to turn down.
His profile very much fits the definition of a luxury signing - aging, injury prone and you need the right set up to get the best out of him.
I like Thiago a lot - he is a great player - but was very much on the fence about signing him for this reason.
I agree with almost everything in this post – I was originally in favor of keeping Wijnaldum over buying Thiago if we could only have one and yes, because of the way Thiago makes the team rely on his passing and control of the tempo, his absence is very keenly felt and together with his injury record creates a destabilizing element in the team – LFC with Thiago or without are two different teams and you almost never know which one you're going to get (even if he's named in the starting lineup).
All that being said, at this point in time I think Klopp made the right decision going for Thiago. There are few midfielders in world football who can come in and transform our midfield single-handedly like he does – that's worth enduring the bad times. Let's hope we're lucky and he's available for big games this Spring.
I think we were facing two problems that Thiago fixed.
The midfield of Fabs, Wijnaldum and Henderson controlled games with their energy and constant running. However, they rely on Bobby to be the linker.
Gini looked shattered to me in his last season and Henderson doesn’t look like he has that energy too this season. And we all know how Bobby has declined.
Thiago allows us to control games with his passing, which also links the team together.
The midfield of Fabs, Wijnaldum and Henderson controlled games with their energy and constant running. However, they rely on Bobby to be the linker.
Gini looked shattered to me in his last season and Henderson doesn’t look like he has that energy too this season. And we all know how Bobby has declined.
Thiago allows us to control games with his passing, which also links the team together.
RIP
I am gutted over Thiago. He is such good player when fit. Can’t imagine how he feels..seeing him upset made me feel sad for him, but it can also be so annoying…we kinda get a taster of his good stuff. Then he’s gone again 🙁
klopps team training maybe doesn’t suit him ,or is he just that unlucky…
klopps team training maybe doesn’t suit him ,or is he just that unlucky…
A lot of this is true, I have to say.
Thiago is good for about 30-35 games a season. That's been his average for the last 6 years, and it's not going to get better as he ages further. That's about a 60% availability at best, so there's a real question of how you construct that midfield over the next few years.
There's a definite discord in the way we play with Thiago and the way we played with Wijnaldum, both in terms of shape and tempo.
Do we then look for another player like Thiago, say Tielemans or Neves and basically try and ensure a consistent playing style regardless of Thiago's availability? Or do we try and get a more all-round, physically robust type player in Wijnaldum who does most of the things a typical Klopp midfielder does - dominate space (going forward, going backwards and going laterally), win duels and keep the ball circulating enough to beat the opposition press.
The answer to all that is ridiculously simple : Klopp. I think he knows a helluva lot more about tactics and how a player would or wouldn't fit in to our team.
Adapting physically to the PL and staying fit are other questions but your tactical assessment is a road crash.
The fact you'd prefer a water carrier well past his best, and that Klopp was happy with letting go, just because he is rarely injured, over one of the world's best midfielders says a lot.
I wonder how we would be doing this season with a midfield of Fabs, Hendo and Gini. I'd speculate nowhere near as well.
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LOLZ
I love the "the manager clearly knows better so shut up"
The manager also spunked the guts of 100m on Ox and Keita.
To be fair, he's had more successes than not. Keita should have worked (and still may); ox was a weird one that paid dividends once or twice.
I could have been convinced on a Gini replacement easily. Or any boss or close to midfielder with a great injury record considering how little we spent that summer. Thiago was cheap, known to do the business but also known to be very familiar with the treatment table for both consistent and serious events.
It was meant to be Keita by that point who replaced Gini, he does a lot of what Gini did for us minus the physicality plus a few other things. But by then we had already realized he was injury prone. After buying Chamberlain. So yeah, we have put our midfield in a dire state of having all injury prone, older or very young players minus Fabinho?? We will probably win our way out of it because of how great Klopp is as a manager and the phenomenal business we've done everywhere else on the pitch. But we've built a very injury prone or inexperienced midfield... and ability is probably the 4-5th most important ability.
And I was going to make this point a couple weeks ago when he was bossing it and I was just starting to get back into football... as we were having to be careful with his minutes and we don't look right when he is out, like our style isn't fully ours as much; Trent, VVD, Salah style.
But I just haven't posted in a very long time. I had stopped following everything for a little while...
But I just haven't posted in a very long time. I had stopped following everything for a little while...
It’s not just Klopp’s decision though is it?
When it comes to football transfers, would rather go with Klopp’s say than any numpty off the forum.
Having managed at the very top level for over ten years, I would imagine Henry is quiet happy take a punt on Klopp and the recruitment team’s targets with FSG’s millions.
18 wins out of 19 when paired with Fabs begs to differ. In fact you only have to go to the rags and TV commentators to hear them raving about his performances for endorsement.
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You've actually just stated the point I was going to make ... no top player is easily replaceable and almost always teams need to adapt as best they can to that loss. Does that mean you don't buy/play them ? Of course not. When Messi, Ronaldo, Mo, Lewandowski etc. (you get the point) are out then there is never a ready made replacement and tactics change. I was going to say Mo, TAA, Firmino, Fabs for us. We change formations and tactics. However I'd rather have a top quality player that takes us to the next level for half the season and have to adapt when he's absent, than settle for mediocrity because it's expedient. That next level may be just what's needed to get us over the line in the PL or CL.
It's been looking boss of late : Fabs, Hendo, Thiago, Elliott, Keita, Jones, Milner Ox. etc. a lot of options to cover 4 competitions.
So why aren't we saying fabs is intrumental to our success? Why is it only thiago getting this praise?
Because everyone knows Fabinho is brilliant.
Only the same few gobshites need to overegg Thiago not being completely shit.
This is why i don't think he's instrumental to how we play. He offers a very nice and very important change in midfield tempo which we need; but it's not like we struggled without him for years.
Seriously ! Have you not watched any of our games this season? Our midfield is fucking ace. Yes we've had the odd injury but bloody nora do I actually have to list our achievements so far for people to stop with this ridiculousness ? 7/7 in the CL, LC winners, FAC ongoing, PL challenging City for the title. The facts speak for themselves - we are not in a dire state anywhere on the pitch. Will we need to invest in the Summer? Yes because I believe Ox will go but with Millie saying (or maybe it was Klopp) that he'll be given another 1 year contract that leaves one slot open.
I've listed Thiago's injury record here before ... yes it's serial but he gets in 35-40 games a season. I'll take that and adapt for those he's not available. I'm certain Klopp and the coaching/medical teams were well aware but realise with a player this good it's worth the concessions.
And that midfield is good for another 2-3 seasons (bar Milner) over which time we'll gradually bring in replacements. There's no Panic in the Disco.
Your ' ability is probably the 4-5th most important ability' is a pretty brain-freeze comment if I may say so.
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