England v Uruguay
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Is that because Cooooooooooates is part-Scot?
It really doesn't bother me that people hate England and want us to lose, but that's fucking tragic. What a sad cunt.
Indeed, its sort of funny in a way though.
One of the old Scotland away tops? not sure.
You're Jordan Henderson. You're apparently under instruction to play the ball out wide to Johnson/Baines or Sterling/Welbeck. But they combine to offer nothing much from wide - can't be arsed to reproduce the images, but we all saw the game.
So then you give it to the creative force that's Wayne effing world class Rooney. And this happens.
So then you give it to the creative force that's Wayne effing world class Rooney. And this happens.
All I feel is pity for him really.
I can't imagine, ever in a million fucking years, going to a tournament and cheering on the opposition of a country I don't like while wearing the colours of my own country who are too fucking rubbish to participate.
Yea me too, I think Bielsa would be a good shout.
But the FA would only pick another English manager I think, a shit one.
But the FA would only pick another English manager I think, a shit one.
Hodgson has at least paved the way by making the tough decisions none before him would.
I find it a bit patronising, listening to that saggy faced twat Harry Redknapp, telling us how Cahill & Jagielka aren't a patch on Ferdinand & Terry. The latter two who were a terrible International partnership who survived on past reputation for years. It's because of shit thinking like that, that we haven't progressed as an International side. FWIW, I thought Cahill was probably our best performer over the two games. Jagielka isn't good enough though.
The big decision Roy didn't make, was to drop Rooney.
People banged on about putting him in the middle. He got a tap in, in the end, but England's build up through the middle was so flat and slow, he was cumbersome and whereas other sides have attacked with pace, he found himself constantly being outpaced and outbattled when he tried to carry the team forward. Ironically it was in the late stages when he got some joy on the break, by running down the left side of the pitch - the area he was maligned for playing on Saturday and from where he created Sturridge's goal.
Players like Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard aren't good enough/appropriate at this level - certainly not when managers try to shoehorn at least two of them in. They've been brought up through years of playing in teams that rely on them to float and not hold position, to be the drive of a side and the ones unshackled by defensive responsibility and, more crucially, discipline. Throw two or more of them in and it completely unsettles the balance of the side.
At this level we need players who are technically good and a unit that works well together through understanding, discipline and composure on the ball. You look at the other International sides and individually they're probably not that great at defending, but they are great technicians who play from the back and don't put themselves under too much pressure by constantly surrendering possession.
England needed someone like Rodgers, to breed a mentality of quick closing down, measured passing and cut throat attacking. They have it all to do. Again.
I find it a bit patronising, listening to that saggy faced twat Harry Redknapp, telling us how Cahill & Jagielka aren't a patch on Ferdinand & Terry. The latter two who were a terrible International partnership who survived on past reputation for years. It's because of shit thinking like that, that we haven't progressed as an International side. FWIW, I thought Cahill was probably our best performer over the two games. Jagielka isn't good enough though.
The big decision Roy didn't make, was to drop Rooney.
People banged on about putting him in the middle. He got a tap in, in the end, but England's build up through the middle was so flat and slow, he was cumbersome and whereas other sides have attacked with pace, he found himself constantly being outpaced and outbattled when he tried to carry the team forward. Ironically it was in the late stages when he got some joy on the break, by running down the left side of the pitch - the area he was maligned for playing on Saturday and from where he created Sturridge's goal.
Players like Lampard, Rooney and Gerrard aren't good enough/appropriate at this level - certainly not when managers try to shoehorn at least two of them in. They've been brought up through years of playing in teams that rely on them to float and not hold position, to be the drive of a side and the ones unshackled by defensive responsibility and, more crucially, discipline. Throw two or more of them in and it completely unsettles the balance of the side.
At this level we need players who are technically good and a unit that works well together through understanding, discipline and composure on the ball. You look at the other International sides and individually they're probably not that great at defending, but they are great technicians who play from the back and don't put themselves under too much pressure by constantly surrendering possession.
England needed someone like Rodgers, to breed a mentality of quick closing down, measured passing and cut throat attacking. They have it all to do. Again.
FUck, I hope not.
I thought England did as well as they could, they're just not very good.
Uruguay were workmanlike but in Luis Suarez they have a real world class player and a match winner. When the moment comes he does the business.
Despite my disappointment I couldn't help but think that my club is so lucky it has Luis Suarez.
Uruguay were workmanlike but in Luis Suarez they have a real world class player and a match winner. When the moment comes he does the business.
Despite my disappointment I couldn't help but think that my club is so lucky it has Luis Suarez.
All this talk about Rooney and Gerrard. Pfft, nevermind that maelstrom, let's talk about the state of those two central defenders.
Bar the screamer your man scored for Italy's first, every other goal England have conceded has been the fault of either Cahill or Jagielka's. Both of whom are clearly a million miles off being international class. If only some sage chap had pointed that out ahead of time - http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/world-cup-squads.48945/page-4#post-1125971
Balotelli's goal is a result of him drifting away from Cahill at the back post. Fairly simple movement, he hasn't done him with skill or anything, it's just an in-swinging cross and Balotelli's drifted off the back of Cahill. Bang, 2-1, lights fucking out.
That first goal tonight. Did Jagielka even know Suarez was there? Why was Cahill not forcing Cavani wide, or even forcing Glenjo to push him wide? Regardless, Jagielka's got absolutely mugged by relatively clever forward play from Suarez. It wasn't genius movement or anything approaching it by Suarez, because it didn't need to be. That shit Everton hack will give you all the space you need.
And then the winner. See if someone tells you it's Gerrard's fault - then punch them in the fucking face. I couldn't give two fucks about England so would be happy to hang Gerrard or whomever out to dry. But it was absolutely not Gerrard's fault, He lost a header in the middle of the park from a goalkick. It happens 50 times a game. England had time to set themselves, should have had their structure in place, but Jagielka went fucking wandering to nowhere.
Have a look at this look at the exact moment Gerrard gets his head on the ball below.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING IS JAGIELKA DOING THERE? Where the fuck is he? Who the fuck taught him to go and stand there? He's 5 yards ahead of Cahill (they're supposed to be in a line just in case you didn't know), and he's even ahead of Baines.
To compound matters, he's sorta half drifting backwards. The fact that he's in that spot means England are fucked. He had two options - 1) Attack the header, 2) Drop off and track Suarez) - both of those options though should have happened before he got himself in that fucking hapless position he's in up there though^^.
Cahill too, what the fuck's he looking at? There's Suarez right there, drifting away from you, as you aimlessly ball watch. Mug, shite, 3rd division defending.
But it's all on Jagielka to be fair. Naive, lumpy, positionless, rubbish. It's not like he hadn't been warned. They'd already conceded one to the best player in the league that you play in Jags, he's the guy you should probably look out for. But nah, I'll just stand here and hope it drops to me.
You don't deserve to be at a World Cup if that's the sort of shit you serve up.
Bar the screamer your man scored for Italy's first, every other goal England have conceded has been the fault of either Cahill or Jagielka's. Both of whom are clearly a million miles off being international class. If only some sage chap had pointed that out ahead of time - http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/world-cup-squads.48945/page-4#post-1125971
Balotelli's goal is a result of him drifting away from Cahill at the back post. Fairly simple movement, he hasn't done him with skill or anything, it's just an in-swinging cross and Balotelli's drifted off the back of Cahill. Bang, 2-1, lights fucking out.
That first goal tonight. Did Jagielka even know Suarez was there? Why was Cahill not forcing Cavani wide, or even forcing Glenjo to push him wide? Regardless, Jagielka's got absolutely mugged by relatively clever forward play from Suarez. It wasn't genius movement or anything approaching it by Suarez, because it didn't need to be. That shit Everton hack will give you all the space you need.
And then the winner. See if someone tells you it's Gerrard's fault - then punch them in the fucking face. I couldn't give two fucks about England so would be happy to hang Gerrard or whomever out to dry. But it was absolutely not Gerrard's fault, He lost a header in the middle of the park from a goalkick. It happens 50 times a game. England had time to set themselves, should have had their structure in place, but Jagielka went fucking wandering to nowhere.
Have a look at this look at the exact moment Gerrard gets his head on the ball below.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING IS JAGIELKA DOING THERE? Where the fuck is he? Who the fuck taught him to go and stand there? He's 5 yards ahead of Cahill (they're supposed to be in a line just in case you didn't know), and he's even ahead of Baines.
To compound matters, he's sorta half drifting backwards. The fact that he's in that spot means England are fucked. He had two options - 1) Attack the header, 2) Drop off and track Suarez) - both of those options though should have happened before he got himself in that fucking hapless position he's in up there though^^.
Cahill too, what the fuck's he looking at? There's Suarez right there, drifting away from you, as you aimlessly ball watch. Mug, shite, 3rd division defending.
But it's all on Jagielka to be fair. Naive, lumpy, positionless, rubbish. It's not like he hadn't been warned. They'd already conceded one to the best player in the league that you play in Jags, he's the guy you should probably look out for. But nah, I'll just stand here and hope it drops to me.
You don't deserve to be at a World Cup if that's the sort of shit you serve up.
Mario Balotelli @FinallyMario · 10hIf we beat Costa Rica i want a kiss,obviously on the cheek, from the UK Queen.
All this talk about Rooney and Gerrard. Pfft, nevermind that maelstrom, let's talk about the state of those two central defenders.
Bar the screamer your man scored for Italy's first, every other goal England have conceded has been the fault of either Cahill or Jagielka's. Both of whom are clearly a million miles off being international class. If only some sage chap had pointed that out ahead of time - http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/world-cup-squads.48945/page-4#post-1125971
Balotelli's goal is a result of him drifting away from Cahill at the back post. Fairly simple movement, he hasn't done him with skill or anything, it's just an in-swinging cross and Balotelli's drifted off the back of Cahill. Bang, 2-1, lights fucking out.
That first goal tonight. Did Jagielka even know Suarez was there? Why was Cahill not forcing Cavani wide, or even forcing Glenjo to push him wide? Regardless, Jagielka's got absolutely mugged by relatively clever forward play from Suarez. It wasn't genius movement or anything approaching it by Suarez, because it didn't need to be. That shit Everton hack will give you all the space you need.
And then the winner. See if someone tells you it's Gerrard's fault - then punch them in the fucking face. I couldn't give two fucks about England so would be happy to hang Gerrard or whomever out to dry. But it was absolutely not Gerrard's fault, He lost a header in the middle of the park from a goalkick. It happens 50 times a game. England had time to set themselves, should have had their structure in place, but Jagielka went fucking wandering to nowhere.
Have a look at this look at the exact moment Gerrard gets his head on the ball below.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING IS JAGIELKA DOING THERE? Where the fuck is he? Who the fuck taught him to go and stand there? He's 5 yards ahead of Cahill (they're supposed to be in a line just in case you didn't know), and he's even ahead of Baines.
To compound matters, he's sorta half drifting backwards. The fact that he's in that spot means England are fucked. He had two options - 1) Attack the header, 2) Drop off and track Suarez) - both of those options though should have happened before he got himself in that fucking hapless position he's in up there though^^.
Cahill too, what the fuck's he looking at? There's Suarez right there, drifting away from you, as you aimlessly ball watch. Mug, shite, 3rd division defending.
But it's all on Jagielka to be fair. Naive, lumpy, positionless, rubbish. It's not like he hadn't been warned. They'd already conceded one to the best player in the league that you play in Jags, he's the guy you should probably look out for. But nah, I'll just stand here and hope it drops to me.
You don't deserve to be at a World Cup if that's the sort of shit you serve up.
Cracking post.
All this talk about Rooney and Gerrard. Pfft, nevermind that maelstrom, let's talk about the state of those two central defenders.
Bar the screamer your man scored for Italy's first, every other goal England have conceded has been the fault of either Cahill or Jagielka's. Both of whom are clearly a million miles off being international class. If only some sage chap had pointed that out ahead of time - http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/world-cup-squads.48945/page-4#post-1125971
Balotelli's goal is a result of him drifting away from Cahill at the back post. Fairly simple movement, he hasn't done him with skill or anything, it's just an in-swinging cross and Balotelli's drifted off the back of Cahill. Bang, 2-1, lights fucking out.
That first goal tonight. Did Jagielka even know Suarez was there? Why was Cahill not forcing Cavani wide, or even forcing Glenjo to push him wide? Regardless, Jagielka's got absolutely mugged by relatively clever forward play from Suarez. It wasn't genius movement or anything approaching it by Suarez, because it didn't need to be. That shit Everton hack will give you all the space you need.
And then the winner. See if someone tells you it's Gerrard's fault - then punch them in the fucking face. I couldn't give two fucks about England so would be happy to hang Gerrard or whomever out to dry. But it was absolutely not Gerrard's fault, He lost a header in the middle of the park from a goalkick. It happens 50 times a game. England had time to set themselves, should have had their structure in place, but Jagielka went fucking wandering to nowhere.
Have a look at this look at the exact moment Gerrard gets his head on the ball below.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF DEFENDING IS JAGIELKA DOING THERE? Where the fuck is he? Who the fuck taught him to go and stand there? He's 5 yards ahead of Cahill (they're supposed to be in a line just in case you didn't know), and he's even ahead of Baines.
To compound matters, he's sorta half drifting backwards. The fact that he's in that spot means England are fucked. He had two options - 1) Attack the header, 2) Drop off and track Suarez) - both of those options though should have happened before he got himself in that fucking hapless position he's in up there though^^.
Cahill too, what the fuck's he looking at? There's Suarez right there, drifting away from you, as you aimlessly ball watch. Mug, shite, 3rd division defending.
But it's all on Jagielka to be fair. Naive, lumpy, positionless, rubbish. It's not like he hadn't been warned. They'd already conceded one to the best player in the league that you play in Jags, he's the guy you should probably look out for. But nah, I'll just stand here and hope it drops to me.
You don't deserve to be at a World Cup if that's the sort of shit you serve up.
Ha. I watched the match with my mate who's always played centre back at Sunday league level (for about 25 years now) & he said almost exactly those points during the match. He kept screaming at Jag every time they attacked cos he was constantly in the wrong place.
The bad news for England fans is that the centre back situation doesn't look like improving soon, considering the options brought to the World Cup, and those left back at home. Caulker perhaps could push on especially if he goes to a better club and plays with a good, experienced hand to guide him along, but other than that, there are lots of question marks over the rest.
Gerrard will get the blame, though, but yeah, that was woeful defending. All the blues on facebook having a go at Gerrard need to look closer to home as Ryan pointed out.
I laughed.
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