Defending Carra (formerly West Ham thread)
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Is ball control the ability you want to use when discussing centre backs? I want them to defend.
You said we would be worse off posession wise with Sakho in the side. Thats bs as I posted above.
OK so you are seriously saying that Sakho is better on the ball than Agger?
And you are using a passing stat to prove it. Disregarding the fact that the passing stat doesn't tell you if it's straight pass a through ball, just tells you the length of the pass right?
Sakho will probably start.
He did last time vs West Ham right? and we fucking tonked them
He did last time vs West Ham right? and we fucking tonked them
I'm saying that its not much difference between them. Wheter or not Agger can control the ball beautifully on his Danish pecs before passing it to Gerrard is not much use to me. Sakho is a better defender and will be our starting cb next season.
Of course it is, it's why he hates defenders who can defend.
It's why he had a go at people praising Flanagan's little jink and pass to Coutinho they other day, because in the footballing book according to Modo, (and I quote) "Coutinho does that everyweek".
Like I said the other day, the next time someone praises Coutinho or Sterling for a good bit of defensive play, I eagerly await Modo telling said poster off, because "Skrtel does it everyweek".
Johnson does it every week and I don't see the Anfield crowd giving him a standing ovation for it either.
It's like every time Flanagan does something that basically any defender can do and is a bit unexpected, everyone goes bananas.
Flanagan turns, runs with the ball over the halfway line, passes it sideways to Coutinho, who needs to adjust himself in order to control it, runs with it for a few meters then shoots from outside the box and people went crazy. Not for Coutinho but for Flanno's magic pass that somehow helped Coutinho direct the ball into the bottom corner.
It's about agenda's, like when Johnson or Agger has a poor game, everyone jumps on them.
Flanagan fucks up against Sunderland.
Fucking silence...
Seriously, no one said a word. It's like when Carra fucked up against Zenit, it was everyone's fault but Carra's.
"Poor Carra", "I feel for him", "it was a poor pass".
This forum is fucking hilarious at times.
Was there fuck silence over Flano's cock up against Sunderland, it was one of the main talking points.
People just show perspective and patience sometimes, there's a myriad of reasons why Johnson and Agger split the forum and get stick, because they're both long enough in the tooth now to not be getting the reprieves that Flano "might" be getting.
As for Carra, people were content enough to see him eased out the side in the end, because his day had passed. There was only you with your little agenda waiting to put the boot in whenever he fucked up. Acting like an overexcited nobhead who couldn't wait to tell us when his legs had finally gone, that you were right 10 years earlier, he was shite after all!
Seriously, fucking get a clue.
So don't come all that bollocks about agendas, given you can't look past a defender unless they've got some trick up their sleeves and you completely miss the point time after time after time about the game.
I honestly can't remember a single time Johnson did anything remotely that useful this season in our own third.
According to the Financial Times' 'Football Statistics Module' Sakho is a better AND more accurate passer than Agger *and* has a surer first touch.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Are you seriously calling people out over agendas? To quote Jesus "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone..."
You know it's fucking bad if I have to resort to quoting him!
Ah Macca, it was ever so, even when we were shite!
Torture isn't it. AHHHH
Torture isn't supposed to be this nice!
Hey, thanks to Aggers great first touch Wilshere is out for the season, that was a handy touch for all the teams involved at the top of the table.
As mentioned first touches are not even an issue our centre backs anyway, if its consistantly bad it would be but then they wouldn't be playing for Liverpool or be international players, other attributes are way more important.
As mentioned first touches are not even an issue our centre backs anyway, if its consistantly bad it would be but then they wouldn't be playing for Liverpool or be international players, other attributes are way more important.
For West Ham we should release the Sakho!
Sahko has looked a much better passer than Agger in the games he's played.
Agger is hands down our worst CB in terms of purely defending (marking, tackling, heading, covering, positioning, pace)
Agger is hands down our worst CB in terms of purely defending (marking, tackling, heading, covering, positioning, pace)
I think Liverpool will score more goals than West Ham United.
That is the attitude of top teams, concentrating on stopping other teams from scoring shows a lack of self-belief.
Happily our current Manager has a positive attacking outlook, believes we can beat all comers and has been able to transmit this to his players.
I think our team is just seeing opponents and not concentrating on individuals or aspects of other teams but concentrating on its ability to play and score. That is a great way to diffuse pressure.
That is the attitude of top teams, concentrating on stopping other teams from scoring shows a lack of self-belief.
Happily our current Manager has a positive attacking outlook, believes we can beat all comers and has been able to transmit this to his players.
I think our team is just seeing opponents and not concentrating on individuals or aspects of other teams but concentrating on its ability to play and score. That is a great way to diffuse pressure.
I think Modo is taking a slight truth, and distorting it to suit his agenda. People give Flannagan more slack than Johnson simply because Flannel Again is about 10 and from Liverpool, that's fair enough, but you're wrong if you think he gets away with everything and people go over the top.
A typical "Normal is enough" game.
I don't know about that. At one of the spectrum you've got a team like Barca who expect first class technique from their centre backs and at the other you've got wherever Sam Allardyce or Tony Pulis end up. We are probably more at the Barca end.
As for Sakho, y'all must have better memories than me. The time when he was in the team seems like some distant past that I only have the odd vague recollection about. Who the fuck knows what his first touch is like.
And re: Flannagan or youngsters in general, is it just me that is still a little surprised when youngsters break through and can actually play football? It's like I think they've been playing a different sport all this time - "look, he can pass too! Nice!".
I agree.
Agger is constantly referred to as a 'footballing centre half', but tbh I think it's a bit of a myth.
He looks more considered with his first touch than most CB's do, but Skrtel has always been more likely to actually run with the ball out of the back, even more so this season.
Sakho looks less than assured, but in truth I think he's actually most comfortable with it & is less likely to lose it or mispass than anyone else at the back.
All that said, it's still damn near impossible to change your cb pairing when they have 3 clean sheets out of the last 4 games & the keeper is finally looking more confident. The defence is all about stability & predictability, nor changing personnel makes that happen. It's no coincidence that were looking more assured since we've stopped chopping & changing at the back.
He looks more considered with his first touch than most CB's do, but Skrtel has always been more likely to actually run with the ball out of the back, even more so this season.
Sakho looks less than assured, but in truth I think he's actually most comfortable with it & is less likely to lose it or mispass than anyone else at the back.
All that said, it's still damn near impossible to change your cb pairing when they have 3 clean sheets out of the last 4 games & the keeper is finally looking more confident. The defence is all about stability & predictability, nor changing personnel makes that happen. It's no coincidence that were looking more assured since we've stopped chopping & changing at the back.
We allways complain about the defence... As you say we have 3 clean sheets the 4 last games...!
The only bad performer in that 4 game run is Johnson, & that's one game out of 4. The other 3 performances were world class, which is bloody unbelievable after a spell out with injuries, only stevie usually manages to make such an impact as soon as he returns from injury.
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