How many points do you think we'll get?
Probably closer to half that.
How many points do you think we'll get?
You really can't call how many points we will get from that list. What's our average points per game without playing the top 7? It will probably be something similar. I reckon we will get maybe 7/8 points from those 4 games. I really don't think we will get top 4 now.
Good post Ry.Whilst the above from Larry was pretty humorous and had quite a bit of merit, I'd like to add some perspective.
Firstly, this thread is fucking painful. We won 2 in a row, and seriously no one gave a fuck. We lose, and everyone's here moaning about Klopp not being good enough, Lucas, Firmino, Origi, etc etc. I'm not exaggerating this - there are people on here delighted that they're able to wheel out their complaints, gripes, overwrought analogies, and criticisms about some of our players. What's fucking wrong with you? Why do you take greater comfort in criticism? We were pretty poor today - no doubt about it, but the glee with which some of you lot enjoy such negativity is frankly weird.
I know we oscillate from week to week, but I don't think anyone got too carried away after beating West Brom away, so must we go over the top after losing to Crystal Palace?
They ventured forward twice for the game and scored. Good for them, and Allardyce was right - they were tactically astute. Really though, Coutinho should have buried the game with his second half chance, and we should be able to manage a 1-0 lead better - so they shouldn't have had a sniff. Deja vu of course, and no less frustrating.
We have 66 points with 4 games to play - could finish up with 78, we'll likely get what, 74, 75? I dunno, something like that.
We finished last season with 62 points. Finished with that. 62. I argued at the start of the year - in the 'where will we finish?' thread - that given the quality of teams around us positions could be difficult to gauge, but we should look to improve our points tally and that that was the measure for assessing improvement. We already have, and we'll likely improve by up to 16 points year over year. That's significant.
Sure we lose to Crystal Palace, and Bournemouth, and every other mid-lower league dross. It's shit, and extremely fucking annoying. Watching us probe aimlessly today, whilst hoping that Firmino or Coutinho could conjure something out of their arse was painful. Hope is not a strategy. And we need better players - in central defence, full back, midfield, up front, etc. It's acknowledged, and unarguable. But we're a far better side than this time 12 months ago, we can still finish in the top 4, and with the right signings we'll improve again.
I'm no fucking superfan, but the reactionary bollocks in here is nauseating. What were your expectations? That we'd win every week? That we wouldn't play fucking shit? It happens - and bar Chelsea and Spurs - it happens to everyone of our rivals, all of whom in my view have a better side than us. You can debate whether it was the manager's prerogative not to add to the squad or not, but in my view arguing whether he's a good manager or not is kneejerking to the extreme. Did you watch us last year? There was a reason why we finished with 62 fucking points. Everton are gonna beat that this year for fuck's sake.
We've got Watford, Southampton, West Ham and Boro left. Take 10 points or better from that and we'll have 75+ points, and have enjoyed a terrific year.
City are taking 3rd. Bar the Manc derby, their run-in is a gift. 4th place is a straight fight between us and United.
They've got to go to Man City, Arsenal and Spurs. They're not taking 9 points from that. No fucking chance.
If we take 10 points from our remaining 4 games, we'll make top 4.
klopp is the best manager we can get.
klopp is the best manager we can get.
I agree. There are obvious issues and he needs to improve, but let's be realistic and honest, it's still pretty impressive that Juergen Klopp is our manager and so obviously loves being our manager
Who better would have joined us?
Yeah, he can't go on forever without winning a trophy or making a proper league title challenge, but that's true for almost all managers at clubs like ours.
There are expectations, even if sometimes they aren't always that realistic!
Yup.
We just have to hope his record of recruiting and improving players continues accordingly next season ... and I think with that, and HOPEFULLY a healthier squad, we'll see an even better team over the course of the season
Nobody thinks Klopp is destined to succeed no matter what. Lots of top managers have one or two 'failures' on their CV
There is no real guarantee of success for anyone or any club
But he's surely got to be a better bet than almost anyone else out there, so some faith and patience is required
Not sure how long for though. But that's a question for the future, and one I hope we don't ever seriously have
Here's the thing Mr. J - we improved on last year's showing already (and will probably finishing with 70+ points). If we improve again, we should be top 3 contenders ... That's all I want - continue to improve ...
Are you suggesting we need better but can only attract his level?
Looking at Crystal Palace's fixtures list, it's just struck me that, since Allardyce took over, they're 3-for-3 against the top 6 clubs:
win 2-1 away vs Chelsea
win 3-0 home vs Arsenal
win 2-1 away vs Liverpool
Predictably, I guess, sandwiched between a couple of these games are a defeat to Southampton (3-1) and draw against Leicester.
Guess Fat Sam puts some extra juice in when he gets the chance to play these big games. Not a bad thing if he can keep that streak up:
Apr 26 - home vs Spurs
May 6 - away vs City
May 21 - away vs Man Utd
I agree. Let him spend and judge him next seasons end. He's not quite he miracle worker we hoped he would be, and yes of course he's showing flaws now he's in the prem, but I reckon he will sort things.No, he should be backed financially.
How many points do you think we'll get?
So Ryan, what's your thoughts on our defending under Klopp? You absolutely destroyed Rodgers for his inability to sort a defence
Why would they respect us? We coated them both.
Id have wanked into the palm of my hand and 'Miggs'd' it at Klopp.
Sakho is still our player though. Benteke did nothing wrong, besides scoring 2 goals obviously. The cunt.
Didn't celebrate too much either, good lad.
No he didnt, you could see he enjoyed it though. I'd have enjoyed that myself if I were him.
The Sakho "celebration" with Benteke. Lack of respect or means nothing?
If he dared win or even draw that match then Slur Alex will deny his post match BJPretty sure he wont be too arsed about winning on 21st May.
Before Ryan answers I just did some stats check on a few sites, and its quite interesting.
We concede the second fewest shots during a game, 8,2, with only City better at 8,1.
In Rodgers last season the average was 10,9.
But the other side of it is that we are number 3 for defensive errors with 17 and 9 leading to goals. 21% of the goals we've conceded have come after a defensive mistake.
Another intersting bit is that we're 16th in the League regarding duels won with 46%.
In that regards, some of that at least, we've conceded the second most goals in the League from set pieces.
So to draw any conclusion, I think our defending from open play has improved. But we still concede soft goals from set pieces and individual mistakes. To many aswell obviously.
Maybe a better balanced midfield will help but its quite clear that we are a few players short that can dominate more against lower teams in the League who are more about power and strength, were we usually struggle.
The two sides up top for duels won are Utd and Chelsea. And Mourinho has said you need at least 6 players over 6"0 in every game in the PL.
There might be something in that.