Crystal Palace post match
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Well, that's me convinced the Fat Sam wouldn't sort out our problem of dropping points at the low sides.
Yeah but we've been unlucky in most of them games.
Burnley away and yesterday were the two horrific performances.
And still we weren't exactly outplayed.
I remember some awful performances under Rodgers where the likes of Villa,Stoke and Newcastle would batter us for about 70 minutes of the game.
If Klopp had Suarez,Sterling and a fit Sturridge we'd be challenging Chelsea for sure.
Burnley away and yesterday were the two horrific performances.
And still we weren't exactly outplayed.
I remember some awful performances under Rodgers where the likes of Villa,Stoke and Newcastle would batter us for about 70 minutes of the game.
If Klopp had Suarez,Sterling and a fit Sturridge we'd be challenging Chelsea for sure.
Im unconvinced.
Its not up front we lack.
I think its an abdication of responsibilty to have not sorted out our defending.
We arent hard to beat. Thats a damning indictment of 18 months in the job.
Surely thats step one?
He spent 30m on Wijnaldum and only 11m combined on the back 4 and keeper.
The bit we need sorting right?
It really is a big big summer.
Its not up front we lack.
I think its an abdication of responsibilty to have not sorted out our defending.
We arent hard to beat. Thats a damning indictment of 18 months in the job.
Surely thats step one?
He spent 30m on Wijnaldum and only 11m combined on the back 4 and keeper.
The bit we need sorting right?
It really is a big big summer.
Well maybe, but the Stoke game was a nadir, and we have not come close to that again.
That should have been the end of Rodgers
Honestly I think the defence looks better under Klopp than Rodgers, but it was a pathetically low bar, and it still needs much improvement. The defence under Rodgers had us in sixth place, under Klopp we were in the top four, and arguably would be challenging for the title still if not for missing some key attackers in January. It's clearly the weakest part of the team and needs improving, but let's not get hyperbolic here, it's not Rodgers level, even during our title run season our defence was beyond hilarious.
Even if we had a reasonably fit squad, I am not sure if we would have finished the job. At the business end of any competition, whenever we are put under the slightest level of discomfort on the pitch, we wave the white flag and retreat. This issue goes back to Rodgers team also.
I think Silver Sean had a brilliant post 6-7 months ago about the true personality of this team being the second half of the Europa league final.
There's an alarming lack of players in the side who dislike losing. I actually can't think of any. Perhaps Can, who occasionally shows some passion.
Mignolet, Lovren, Lucas who're all part of the spine of the side have never shown that ability. I don't even think Henderson has it. Even Milner is more of a Mr Dependable than a fighter.
Compare them to Carra, Gerrard, Hyypia, Hamann, Suarez. Those guys hated losing a friendly.
Dortmund were lurking around midtable before he arrived and pretty much spent good money on average players. He and the sport director turned it around, without immidiate success, and they now they are constantly in the CL quarters. So it is possible but it need patience and a long term strategy. I guess biggest difference is the mentality of the surroundings. The pressure for instant success and the reaction on losses are different here.
Does he have the sporting director here? Maybe we should focus on hiring the next Zorc before even contemplating criticizing Klopp irrespective of how poorly he does.
Didn't really do your homework here. Much of a muchness and just as "hilarious":
2016/2017 - GA 42 (four games left)
2015/2016 - GA 50
2014/2015 - GA 48
2013/2014 - GA 50
We got it wrong with this transfer comittee (spelling?). We got it wrong with Commolli. Let us relax and work our way upwards instead of sideways. If we get CL without spending and have another summer getting rid of more of the mediocre shit while strengthening the squad I think the set up has earned some slack.
Cheers.
It's almost as if Momo/ Blackie Grey/ etc never left
I didn't really need to as my post was anecdotal, but those statistics kind of back up my thoughts anyway, unless of course you expect us to concede >6 goals in the last four games? You can discount 2015/16 too as that was half Rodgers half Klopp.
He joined in October, so it's not "half Klopp". Talk about selective reasoning.
And it's not beyond the realms that we could concede 6 in the last four, really. We barely go a game without conceding. Either way, it's a marginal improvement. It's not looking better at all, not in any way significantly. And certainly not as you said "The defence under Rodgers had us in sixth place, under Klopp we were in the top four". When we finished 6th we conceded two less goals than when we finished 2nd, so the defence wasn't really anything to do with it, the goals got us 2nd place, just like this season the goals got us on the top four, the defence hasn't had anything to do with it, other than hindering us.
Yeah...losing 3nil at Watford, blowing 2 goal leads at home to Sunderland and Newcastle then the next season blowing a 2 goal lead TWICE at Bournemouth, losing to shite like Hull and Leicester away also and losing to more shite at home like Swansea and Palace is soooo much better. Excuse me whilst I pinch myself here.
Half Rodgers? Hmm Klopp's first game was on 17th October 2015 at Spurs... A good 7 months before the end of the 15-16 season.
What's your point here?
I said we had worse days under Rodgers which we had.
So go pinch yourself or change your avatar or something.
Bit of excitement for you.
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