West Ham Post Match Bitching plus RAAAAAAATIINGS!

[FoxForceFive]

I'm gone beyond caring about distribution at this stage.
I just want our keeper not to be a limp wristed cowardly choker.

Nah. Distribution isn't just about kicking it or throwing it accurately anymore. A keeper, esp in our system, is supposed to be an outlet for the back four & be able to be comfortable being passed to continually.

Mignolet is more nervous receiving the ball than any keeper I have ever seen at any level. That makes the defence reluctant to pass to him & gives the opposition chances. When he does come for it he panics & it could go anywhere, again gives the opposition chances. Watching us play with him in goal is terrifying.

Just cos Karius is proving himself incapable of saving the ball doesn't mean we should choose someone who is incapable of receiving back passes & has a fear of crosses greater than dracula.

That would be swapping one set of deficiencies for another, which wouldn't help.

Either Karius comes through this & proves himself capable of the actual keeping side of the game, or we get someone else.

 

[manwithnoname]

Why wouldn't he if we make the right offer?
Ffs you'd think we were in the Istmian not a club that was in a euro final and thrashed Barcelona in the summer( yeah ok but we still thrashed them ) the way some people go on.

I'm not sure moving from Spurs to Liverpool would be an obvious step up if his desire is to not only play in Europe, but also win trophies

Suppose it would depend on what other offers he might get and/ or his confidence in Klopp vs Poch and the respective owners

He's Captain there too, which might count for something

 

[tony]

I'm not sure moving from Spurs to Liverpool would be an obvious step up if his desire is to not only play in Europe, but also win trophies

Suppose it would depend on what other offers he might get and/ or his confidence in Klopp vs Poch and the respective owners

He's Captain there too, which might count for something

Well I suppose the point I was trying to make is that it is great if you can unearth some unknown potential worldbeater for small beer, but really we actually cannot afford to leach away points like this and we need to dig deep and get a proven talent. Ming was the difference between CL football or not last year. That cost the club 30/40 million. It is not hard to justify spending some big bucks, we've already lost 5 points this season directly due to inept keeping, so fucking annoying because we are playing well. I get what you say but money talks, look at the cunts chasing the cash in China for example

 

[Silver Sean]

Karius does look piss-poor, but he's being given a chance to take the number one shirt and is only a few games into it. As for all this bullshit about Spurs being a similar draw as us, have a word with yourselves.

 

[manwithnoname]

Well I suppose the point I was trying to make is that it is great if you can unearth some unknown potential worldbeater for small beer, but really we actually cannot afford to leach away points like this and we need to dig deep and get a proven talent. Ming was the difference between CL football or not last year. That cost the club 30/40 million. It is not hard to justify spending some big bucks, we've already lost 5 points this season directly due to inept keeping, so fucking annoying because we are playing well.

I agree with that. You have to be prepared to make some big signings and commit the money sometimes - Mane is a good example - just that signing Lloris seems a little unlikely

It's not the 'ambition' bit I was debating at all

But then again, perhaps there just aren't that many great keepers around anyway (who might be buyable)

 

[manwithnoname]

Karius does look piss-poor, but he's being given a chance to take the number one shirt and is only a few games into it. As for all this bullshit about Spurs being a similar draw as us, have a word with yourselves.

Of course we're a bigger, better, richer and more successful club than Spurs. Under Klopp, as long as he gets the backing required from FSG, I'm also more convinced we should be better equipped than Spurs to win and challenge over the next few years. That should be the very minimum of our ambitions really.

It's fucking Spurs.

But he's their Captain. He's always made lots of noise about playing at the very top of his profession, the CL, winning trophies and all that

Moving from Spurs to Liverpool would be a lot harder to justify to his current team-mates, manager and fans than, say, Bayern Munich or City or whoever. It's a more lateral step

Not even you could argue that Sean.

I think

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Have a word with yourself anyways Brendan.

 

[manwithnoname]

Fine. I will have a word with myself.

Silver Sean is marvellous. A welcome voice of genuine hate-filled insanity that reminds me of how great football is, and how little place rational thought has within it

That's a compliment by the way

 

[LeTallecWiz]

You have just passed your final test Benjamin. Welcome to the tribe.

 

[Frogfish]

I don't need to prove any points.

You obviously do because your ego won't let you give it up until say the season's end. You're like Ali, jab jab jabbing away whilst dancing around the ring, singing .. I am the greatest !! He didn't win all his fights either.

 

[Frogfish]

I don't need to prove any points.

You obviously do because it's clear to all your ego won't let you give it up until say the season's end. You're like Ali, jab jab jabbing away whilst dancing around the ring, singing .. I am the greatest !! He didn't win all his fights either.

 

[Frogfish]

To maintain our challenge for the league title we need to sign one or two players in January. Don't think I'm alone in thinking that.
It worries me that some of our players already look knackered and that our bench is lacking in quality.
Have to spare a thought to Ings who most likely would have been given a chance now. I mean how unlucky can you be.
Really hope we have someone lined up already.

If the rumours are correct - and most are targeting the same type of player - then we can expect a winger in January. And that's the least of course, that we require. Another CM or LB (enabling Milner to move into midfield) would be nice too. Anybody thinking 'Keeper' or 'striker' are going to be very disappointed.

The only players that look knackered to me are Firmino and Lallana and with round trips to South America and an injury to account for that explains their lack-lustre performances, to me at least. Coutinho as well, in the 45 mins before his injury, was clearly off the boil for the same reason as Firmino. We'll see soon enough if that's the case.

 

[Frogfish]

By the way, when you click on the link in my sig to see Brendan's utterly embarrassing predictions, please also read the next post about Karius. He gets that right too.

Ha ha ha ! It's looking likely that Brendan will score 0 / 11 for his predictions. He may get one or two if Hull deteriorate further by the season's end. So much for his 'more right than wrong, it's uncanny'. Uncanny is certainly not the word I'd use 😀

 

[Jack D Rips]

Not sure if Lallana is knackered. He ran further yesterday than any other player in the premier league this season. Beating his own previous best.

 

[Frogfish]

Not sure if Lallana is knackered. He ran further yesterday than any other player in the premier league this season. Beating his own previous best.

Really ? Great stat. Must have done that before 70 mins and then fallen off a cliff 😉

 

[manwithnoname]

You obviously do because your ego won't let you give it up until say the season's end. You're like Ali, jab jab jabbing away whilst dancing around the ring, singing .. I am the greatest !! He didn't win all his fights either.

And ended up punchdrunk with MS.

Hmm

 

[manwithnoname]

You have just passed your final test Benjamin. Welcome to the tribe.

I like my new name.

 

[Frogfish]

"Mignolet will get dropped after a "series of high-profile clangers". The new keeper will have a "nervy" debut, but Klopp will persevere. Mignolet will be reinstated after the younger keeper is withdrawn to protect him after a rough adjustment to the "more physical nature of the Premiership" - ie mistakes and dropping crosses".

This is what I said back in May!

It's spooky, really.

.......... So many oddly prescient comments.

MysticManWithNoName.

Jesus Christ. You must believe the forum has collective amnesia for you to believe your own shit.

Brendan's Predictions :​

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There's going to be a lot more transfer activity to come, though.​

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Out of our lot, I'm most confident in Karius and Mane .......​

Predict me this ...​

 

[Frogfish]

Firmino - 5 - I agree with other comments that he isn't having his usual influence since being moved into a roaming wide role. There were times he was coming deep out of frustration which also didnt help matters. We need to find a way to accomodate both Roberto and Origi without seriously damaging the performances of one of them, and for me RF needs to be kept in his centre forward role.

As has been mentioned - surely just having them swap positions would solve most of the issues. Firmino back in a position he loves, and performs optimally for us, and Origi played extremely well last season before his injury, and if I remember correctly, when he was most often wide left wasn't he ?

 

[Frogfish]

On his day you'd struggle to find a better keeper, the main issue for me with Hart is his stability or complete lack thereof.

Not saying he can't get back to the top I am just a bit worried about what seems to be a fragile mentality - or a lack of concentration. Something like that anyways.

Lacking in concentration maybe but I don't think you can say he's mentally fragile. Has always come back strong after making an error. I wanted him before he went to City, confident, commanding and vocal. Can't say an odd error of judgement should be a career killer. Bet Pep wishes he hadn't bombed him out now.

 

[Silver Sean]

Fine. I will have a word with myself.

Silver Sean is marvellous. A welcome voice of genuine hate-filled insanity that reminds me of how great football is, and how little place rational thought has within it

That's a compliment by the way

Good man. This idea that we all should be rational and form arguments based on a fair mind and objectivity are hideous. Leave that for all the other walks of life where we have to, or choose to, do it. As far as football is concerned if I'm in an away end and a player who once played four games for Everton is warming up as a sub I will continue to shout 'Blue and white shite' at him. etc.

Remember the good old days when a team would turn up at Anfield and you wouldn't even know who their players were when they got the ball (except for the obvious exceptions of players that played for a mortal enemy)? Bliss. The best any of those cunts could expect was a grudging "that number 8 was decent tonight" or similar. Applaud a superb strike from the opposition that goes into the top corner, yes. Bang on and on about what a skilful and accomplished forward Sanchez is or how stylish Dier is or how much you'd love to see Kante in a red shirt. FUCK THAT.

 

[Frogfish]

Yeah but the draw is London and we're not exactly miles ahead of Spurs these days in stature. If he were to leave Spurs it would be for a regular challenger, not a team that's finished outside the top four alot recently. I know we all like to romanticise the pull of our club, but there's enough evidence around to suggest it's not enough to rely on our name and history. We might have got to the Euro final, but we got dicked.

I can think of a few reasons IF we finish Top 4 and Spurs don't. Klopp, a Liverpool team that seriously looks like it's going places and the money would be the top three.

 

[Rosco]

You obviously do because it's clear to all your ego won't let you give it up until say the season's end. You're like Ali, jab jab jabbing away whilst dancing around the ring, singing .. I am the greatest !! He didn't win all his fights either.

So you start off with a point that is essentially about his big ego, but then also compare him to Mohamed Ali.
The same fighter who is still widely regarded as the greatest heavyweight to ever put on a pair of gloves.

I would have gone a different way

 

[Frogfish]

So you start off with a point that is essentially about his big ego, but then also compare him to Mohamed Ali.
The same fighter who is still widely regarded as the greatest heavyweight to ever put on a pair of gloves.

I would have gone a different way

Ha ! Well he does have his good days (and points) and I thought the Ali analogy was generally decent. The allusion to his massive ego especially.

 

[manwithnoname]

Jesus Christ. You must believe the forum has collective amnesia for you to believe your own shit.

Brendan's Predictions :
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There's going to be a lot more transfer activity to come, though.​

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Out of our lot, I'm most confident in Karius and Mane .......​

Predict me this ...​

That prediction about Karius was very clearly made with no idea whatsoever about how good he was, as I admitted I'd never seen him play.

 

[Hansern]

City winning the league, Gruijc making a big impact (not to late for that obvs) and Sturridge with 16 goals are looking pretty poor so far. The rest are pretty good predictions mind.
Leicester will probably finish even lower than 8th.

 

[manwithnoname]

City winning the league, Gruijc making a big impact (not to late for that obvs) and Sturridge with 16 goals are looking pretty poor so far. The rest are pretty good predictions mind.
Leicester will probably finish even lower than 8th.

City winning the league was a sound prediction. If a bit obvious.

 

[Oncy]

I think Brendan suffers with what a lot of grumpy middle aged men suffer, especially ones who have waited 26 years for a fucking title, in that default position is usually 'This guy will be utterly shit'

Obviously given the weight of ABSOLUTE CUNTS we have signed and paid good moeny too the past 26 years 9 times out of 10 the prediction and by proxy the scout accumen looks sound.

However what tends to happen is when the team is GOOD and riddled with good players Bren will always look like a miserable cynical old fart.

Councidentally I suffer the exact opposite and want to believe everyone we sign will be brilliant and go early in my praise and have spent FAR longer looking a cunt because I predict these mongs can actually play.

A season like this is fucking HEAVEN to me because Lallana, Clyne, Milner, Wijnaaldum, Firmino, Coutinho et all make me look like I actually know what the fuck im talking about.

I dont obviously. Im as clueless as you all. And ALL of us are equally as clueless.

 

[keniget]

Now where is Casillas at 35 and how do we rate him?

He's doing well at Porto after a couple of pretty bad seasons at Real, isn't he?

 

[ILD]

I can understand why I am the only poster whose predictions, pronouncements and general statements are so keenly pored over and discussed by the angry, bewildered masses on this forum. So many oddly prescient comments.

You're predictions are usually safe enough bets though. You don't really stick your neck out too far and it's usually to champion the player to fail instead of succeeding. It's easier that way, you can feign happiness if the player does turn out to be good and if he doesn't cut it you can constantly and I mean constantly deliver the 'I told you so's'. You current examples have been very hit and miss. You've picked Origi to 'fail' recently so you've gotta keep hammering that home any time he doesn't score. I can't remember who the other ones were. We all know the Frimino one and I'm pretty sure you've referred to Lallana as a weak useless cunt a few times. Back in the day, it was Crouch and few others who were clearly not destined for greatness with us. As I said, safe enough bets.