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Clint Dempsey

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And hopefully we're signing him for 5-6 mill. Its got nothing to do with Downing imho. He was extremely overpriced.
We need to replace Maxi, Kuyt and possibly Bellamy. So there will probably 2-3 signings in addition to Dempsey.

For 10 mill I'd stay well clear, but I doubt the fee will be that much.
 
Mate *if* he makes the difference and gets us 4th, then he'll be worth fucking £30m, let alone £10m. But is that really that likely? This is Clint Dempsey we're talking about, not Thierry Henry or Didier Drogba. Wouldn't we be just as likely to get CL by spending £20m on a shit hot 20-25 year old, who'll still be worth £20m in 3 years. I mean, I do get the conflict between buying for short-term effect and getting 4th, and looking longer term and missing out, but I really don't think Clint Dempsey at £10m is a sensible compromise between the 2.
He gets goals though. If we scored another 20 goals last season Kenny might still have a job.
 
I don't think anyone, bar some knob journos and maybe Al Fayed, actually thinks he is worth £10M, let alone be inclined to pay that. Let's see what we pay, or if we even get him, before shouting and yahooing about what a waste it is.
 
Downing should stop being used as the example not to buy similar players, its extreme. No one was expecting him to be as shite as he turned out - no one. Most if us expected a slightly above average tried and tested winger,
If we had Dempsey last year on the firm he displayed, we could have git fourth - he either scored it had a hand in over half of Fulhams goals - that is not to say he can not fail if we do sign him, none of them come with a guarantee.
The way I see it is we were a striker short last year and now Dirk has gone we are another short, Borini and Dempsey, if signed, just take us up to the correct personnel, which includes Carroll, and I think that makes us much stronger than last year, for around 12-15m net

regards
 
Downing should stop being used as the example not to buy similar players, its extreme. No one was expecting him to be as shite as he turned out - no one. Most if us expected a slightly above average tried and tested winger,
If we had Dempsey last year on the firm he displayed, we could have git fourth - he either scored it had a hand in over half of Fulhams goals - that is not to say he can not fail if we do sign him, none of them come with a guarantee.
The way I see it is we were a striker short last year and now Dirk has gone we are another short, Borini and Dempsey, if signed, just take us up to the correct personnel, which includes Carroll, and I think that makes us much stronger than last year, for around 12-15m net

regards

Yeah I hate Downing and I never thought he was a good buy, but if someone predicted no assists and goals in the league before the season I would have laughed it off.
 
10 million, 8 million, 5 to 6 million! What difference does it really make? Rodgers Will pay what he believes is a fair price for the players he wants, the players he thinks Will improve us. He's already shown wit the Sig episode that he won't overpay. The man needs to be trusted.
 
I find it hilarious that so many on here go into fits of rage over how much we pay for a certain player. Is it your money LFC are using to sign him with?

Clint is easily worth 10 million and all of you who are whinging b/c he isn't a nineteen year old from Argentina with a cool name are becoming very tiresome.

He plays with balls and toughness, something many of our players could learn a thing or two about, he is very skillful with the ball and he scores goals in the premier league. End of.
 
Was he bought as a striker? I always thought he was a second/centre forward, I'm probably splitting hairs but he was always here doing the donkey work for others, I've always maintained a standard return for a good centre forward is about 12 goals a season. His record for us was - 14,11,15,11,15,5 (an average of just under 12 a season).

Same again for goalscoring midfielders (probably about 10 goals)


Come on mark, you of all people know he was bought as a striker. You hammered him repeatedly on KT and early days here as "the most reluctant striker to get in the penalty area ever". You repeatedly asked "have you ever seen a striker more reluctant to get close to the goals?" He was bought as a striker - we all know that. He didn't get goals but his work rate and the effort he put in for the team made him a valuable part of the side - particularly in Rafa's systems.

I've said before that I always thought it may have been different for Kuyt on the basis of one shot. He got the ball against the Chavs just inside the area, looked inside for a split second then let loose with a thunderous shot that Czech barely saw and hammered off the cross bar. Two games later he started playing out wide and I've always wondered; if that shot had gone in would the confidence of scoring such a great goal against the undisputed champions of the time and the patience it would have bought him made a difference. He scored plenty in the Dutch league but just never managed to make it click up front at Anfield.

Anyway, they're different ages in joining but Kuyt was a big fish in a small league before joining us; I think Dempsey's a hard worker who gets goals from midfield. My main issue is where he plays; we need creativity in midfield and that's not what I think we'll get from Clint. Even his name tells me there isn't anything subtle or creative about him.
 
I find it hilarious that so many on here go into fits of rage over how much we pay for a certain player. Is it your money LFC are using to sign him with?

Clint is easily worth 10 million and all of you who are whinging b/c he isn't a nineteen year old from Argentina with a cool name are becoming very tiresome.

He plays with balls and toughness, something many of our players could learn a thing or two about, he is very skillful with the ball and he scores goals in the premier league. End of.


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My point at the time was that Crouch got shit by some on here or kt for not scoring enough, because 'strikers are judged on goals', then Kuyt came in and the same posters were hailing him, while overlooking his goals record. He was a centre forward/ second striker, it took a while for us to work it out. So his goals record in that sense was acceptable. The same posters should have cut Crouch some slack.
 
Clint is a really good footballer, and he will improve us but the those that argue about his £10M price tag are right considering his age and remaining contract time. That said, I am happy we are signing this guy and the Guardian article published on this site is spot on about his attributes. He is a consistent player across an entire season and like the article says - he has played well for the last 5 seasons. I really hope we do sign him.
 
I find it hilarious that so many on here go into fits of rage over how much we pay for a certain player. Is it your money LFC are using to sign him with?

Clint is easily worth 10 million and all of you who are whinging b/c he isn't a nineteen year old from Argentina with a cool name are becoming very tiresome.

He plays with balls and toughness, something many of our players could learn a thing or two about, he is very skillful with the ball and he scores goals in the premier league. End of.

I remember being told the same thing when we signed Carroll. What's money got to do with anything?!?!

Well it wasn't my money, but it's my patience/sanity/eyeballs tested to destruction from having to endure the last 18 months.
 
I don't want Dempsey either, I want someone better but we're hopefully getting him cheap so I'm not really that arsed about this transfer. He's a squad player and a backup striker so meh...
 
My point at the time was that Crouch got shit by some on here or kt for not scoring enough, because 'strikers are judged on goals', then Kuyt came in and the same posters were hailing him, while overlooking his goals record. He was a centre forward/ second striker, it took a while for us to work it out. So his goals record in that sense was acceptable. The same posters should have cut Crouch some slack.

I had no problems with Crouch - he was what I thought he would be and perfect for the purpose we officially signed him for. The fact we then expected something else from him wasn't his fault.

Kuyt we bought as goal scoring striker; he either wasn't or fate conspired to stop him. Either way, if Dempsey brings his hard nosed, hard work attitude with him he'll be handy to have. Where he plays is worthy of plenty of questions but that's up to Rodgers.

If we sign him for 10m on his last year we should be shot - it's like we're turning into a charity for smaller clubs to keep them afloat. 5m, as rumoured earlier makes him very worthwhile - no matter what posters with a Downing hangover think.
 
there is no guarantee that signing an expensive player will make the difference - I know Man City, and Chelsea have assembled very expensive teams, but even with those players - it was never easy for them. I mean Chelsea spent £50M on Torres and they have not benefitted greatly from him, neither did Man U after signing Veron. We don't even know if the players that Chelsea have signed are going to come good this coming season. We can also hope that our flop signings from last season - will improve this season, and maybe the players we are buying will do the job for us to achieve our goals. Remember we won the CL under Rafa with a team that had Traore, Smicer, and at some stages Igor Biscan, in fact that season was one of the worse Liverpool teams I had seen in years. I actually believe we have the talent and the ability to create loads of chances as we proved last season - but if we can win those games we dominate then we may even win the ..... (who knows !!!).
 
Missing from Fulham's friendly again, this time against FC Lokomotive Leipzig.

1st half: Stockdale; Riether, Hughes (c), Halliche, Riise; Etuhu, Gecov, Sidwell; Mesca, Trotta, Kacaniklic

2nd half: Schwarzer; Riether, Baird, Hangeland, Briggs; Davies, Dembele, Diarra, Kacaniklic, Petric, Frei.
 
I'm happy that Brendan enquired about him, he was one of the best players in the Premier League last year. I don't know why people are comparing him to Downing, is it because they're both in their late 20's? Shall we start comparing every possible young signing to Babel, Carroll, Henderson...etc? Dempsey has consistently performed and scored goals, just look at the stats. If he continues like that for us for 2 or 3 years then 5-7m would be a good deal, Adam and a couple of million would be even better. He's got that Bellamy-like, Skrtel-like toughness that you want in your side aswell as the talent.
 
Fulham looking £12m for Dempsey according to The Mirror.

Ha. They're just taking the piss now.

He's not going to sign a new contract. He's got one year left on his current one. He could go for free in a few months and they want 12m for him now.

To be honest his performances make him around a 10m player in the current market - maybe more. But the fact is he's in the last year of his contract and if we pay over 5m for him we need to get Woland's mate in there to do the negotiating from now on.
 
I’ve more than a few issues with this:

If it’s not 10M, it’ll be there or thereabouts. The main concern with paying 10M for a 29 year old is; what happens if he gets injured, or plays shit, what have you got then? An ageing squaddie that’s lost about 5 times his value? You’ll never recoup anything close to that for him again.

Whereas you spend 10M on a 22 year old, and he can get injured, and play shit, but there’s a chance of salvaging it. You’re not in the same hurry to find a buyer, cos he’s got time on his side and you can work with him. There’s always an upside. There is no upside to having an injured or out of form 30/31 year old on your list.

I read someone the other day saying ‘Well Man United have a history of paying over the odds for Premier League players’ – that’s right they do. But they’re all young, and have an upside. Rooney, 30M. Ferdinand, 30M. Carrick, 18M. Young, 16M. Jones, 16M. Big money, but you’ll get 10+ years out of them. We’re spending circa 10M on someone who is not going to get any better as a player. As opposed to United, we’re investing into what he’s already done, compared to what he could become for you.

Secondly, at that price and at his age – he’ll be in the team every week. You don’t spend 10M on a 29 year old cos he’s got potential, or he can add something to the squad, you’re gonna play him. So, does he fit into the team? He can play, he’s a good footballer, and he’s comfortbale with ball at his feet – prerequisites for a Rodgers signing – but whose place is he taking? At Fulham, he was afforded the number 10 role and had the likes of Etuhu and Murphy working for him. He did nothing going the other way, and I’ve never seen him press whilst not in possession (again, a prerequisite for a Rodgers player) cos he was the big fish in a small pond, and he gave them goals the other way. That’s not the case with us. Suarez takes the number 10 role. And we don’t play a 4-5-1. I’m all for quality players fitting in across the attacking third, and interchanging of roles and positions, but who are you leaving out to give this guy the position, freedom, and space that he needs in order to produce his best football – Suarez? Nope. Gerrard? Nope. Dempsey can’t play outside the lines of penalty box to penalty box so there’s no point in sticking him on a wing. The only option I see for him is in the midfield 3 of a 4-3-3 alongside Gerrard and Lucas, but that’s detrimental to where he plays his best football. He doesn’t track, he doesn’t work very hard without it, and it takes him further away from goal.
No doubt Rodgers has a role in mind, but I’m wary of this one. Big style.

And, can he cut it on the big stage? You’re not at Craven Cottage now Clint, with cunts working their balls off to get the thing to your feet. You’re playing alongside some of the world’s best footballers, and their sole thought isn’t ‘get this and give it to Dempsey’ – you’ve got to fit in with them, not the other way around.
At 29, and a history that shows the biggest stage you’ve ever played on is with the US of A, I don’t know if you’ve got what it takes to bring your game to the next level. You don’t have time anyway, so you better be able to adapt and improve quickly.

Otherwise, we’ve got a 10M 30/31 year old unhappy squad player.

Which does no one any good.
 
£10 Million is too much, though I can't help but think that shirt sales in the US is subsequently gonna rise, considering that he arguably is their best footballer.
Factor in that in the equation and we might be making money on the deal?

Ross, anything to add? Or is it bollox?
 
Just because the Mirror say its 12 or someone else says its 10 diesnt make it so, anyway stop worrying about the money, it aint yours.
As for Dempsey at the age if 29 nearly drawing his pension, he us not an Owen or Gerrard or Rooney that has been playing top class football from 16. He will not be worn-out like them, or abused his joints at an early age, he came through the American collegiate system, I don't think he started playing pro until he was 22. I bet Dempsey stays a good fit player until he is at least 35.

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Just because the Mirror say its 12 or someone else says its 10 diesnt make it so, anyway stop worrying about the money, it aint yours.
As for Dempsey at the age if 29 nearly drawing his pension, he us not an Owen or Gerrard or Rooney that has been playing top class football from 16. He will not be worn-out like them, or abused his joints at an early age, he came through the American collegiate system, I don't think he started playing pro until he was 22. I bet Dempsey stays a good fit player until he is at least 35.

regards

That mentality led to people applauding Carroll, Downing and Henderson for 70M Vlad.
 
We've laid the shirt sales bollocks to bed already. It might be possible to get more money via sponsorship and endorsements. If the arrangements for the sharing overseas TV money equally were changed like we wanted them to be then there's money to be made from TV deals.

You know when people use the argument 'form is temporary, class is permanent' to defend their favourite washed up player? Do people believe Clints one very good season is indicative of class or form?
 
I don't think Dempsey will be utter shit like Downing, but I really don't want him. If there was any way for fans to scupper a deal, I would be all up for it.

I don't see how the 'it's not your money' line is relevant. We don't have an endless pot of money, and how much we spend on a player has a direct impact on the kind of other players we will sign. 10 million or thereabouts for Dempsey, which seems to the price mooted everyfuckingwhere, is a big dent in our transfer budget, for an at best, above-average, 29 year old.

I'm happy with Borini. I'd be delighted with Allen. I'd also be delighted if we sold Carroll and re-invested the money in someone like Sturridge. But spending sizeable amounts on players like Dempsey (decent-ish but with zero upside) or Walcott (good upside, but injury-prone and hence extremely risky) makes no sense to me. We need to find more Borinis and Allens (in other words, talented young footballers, with high upside, but with 1-2 years of top class first team experience as well), and trust me, there are plenty out there of that kind that we can attract, regardless of whether we're a CL club or not.

Having said that, unlike with Downing, I can still appreciate the qualities that Dempsey and Walcott might bring to the side. However, from the perspective of getting value in return for your investments, they both seem to be a repetition of the mistakes we've so consistently made over the last 3-4 years. Fingers crossed that neither happens.
 
To pay £10m for Dempsey instead of £8m for Siggurdson is daft especially as the extra £2m could have gone towards Sig's wages which was the stumbling block.

That said, this is obviously a marketing deal to enhance the LFC brand in the USA which long term should benefit the club financially at some stage.

The LFC brand shite aside............I actually think Dempsey will prove a good acquisition, I've been a fan of his since he came to English football and I think he will have plenty to offer us. We're buying him for the wrong reason but it will probably work out well.
 
I think we're buying him for the right reasons - he scores goals, fights for the shirt, is experienced and he's a good player. There's just one big problem factor, age.

As for the 'it's not your money, so why worry' argument. It's rare I disagree with Vlad, but I completely disagree, that's why we'll be scrapping around in following seasons, because we've blown good money on old/overpaid/rubbish players, not qualified for the CL and been left with old/overpaid/rubbish players on the wage bill. Of course it's an issue. If we had City or Chelsea's finances then it wouldn't be an issue. As it is......
 
We've laid the shirt sales bollocks to bed already. It might be possible to get more money via sponsorship and endorsements. If the arrangements for the sharing overseas TV money equally were changed like we wanted them to be then there's money to be made from TV deals.

You know when people use the argument 'form is temporary, class is permanent' to defend their favourite washed up player? Do people believe Clints one very good season is indicative of class or form?
If it was class we would not be baulking over 10m , I still think it will be under 10, Brendan tells us he knows this market in the Sigurdsson issue.
If its form and he carries it into this season then, even for one season its good value. 10m does not get you much these days.
As for the its not our money, we have to trust the new manager and let him get in with it, there us nothing we can do so you just have to let them get in with it

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