To be fair, we cant just blame luck for rivals catching up with us. We let our rivals catch up with us due to poor planning and purchasing in general which have been discussed in detail in other threads.
City Charged By Premier League
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To be fair, we cant just blame luck for rivals catching up with us. We let our rivals catch up with us due to poor planning and purchasing in general which have been discussed in detail in other threads.
Not to question the judgment of the King, but I think this is trivia we are all in command of, sadly.
We can say we've been unlucky though. I mean if City were charged last season, we would have won the league with matches to spare and maybe we wouldn't have been so knackered for the CL Final and for this season
True. Although with a few more titles under the belt it would have been easier to take...
I must say, this story has cheered me up rightly.
Agreed
Doesn’t bother me anyway I only put £20 of fuel in the car. *taps nose*
We all know it’ll be “not proven beyond a reasonable doubt” on a technicality or result in a small fine & minimal point reduction, suspended, if they promise to be good little boys (and girls) for 2 seasons.
All the Premier League need is an independent inquiry to commend their great running of the game while being mildly critical of City without incriminating them. Something to make them look good in the Government review of football governance.
We can’t prove it enough to sanction them - but hey we tried… now if you could just make that cheque out to the following charity Sheikh Mansour, lovely, thank you.
All the Premier League need is an independent inquiry to commend their great running of the game while being mildly critical of City without incriminating them. Something to make them look good in the Government review of football governance.
We can’t prove it enough to sanction them - but hey we tried… now if you could just make that cheque out to the following charity Sheikh Mansour, lovely, thank you.
There was suddenly a spring back in the football fan step going in to work today.
Hope your love truncheon is all healed up baby because I'm need of some fume goodness!
There's loads of mad shit floating about in the papers tomorrow. Something like the reason it's taken four years is because Citeh didn't want the premier league to make public the details of the previous case. That went to a three judge court tribunal and two years later (yesterday actually) they lost 😀
The judges (apparently) Said. "Sorry you cunts but you are fucked . Simply put, you are bunch of wimpering, hysterical, cheating cunts. LFC and Utd are going to retropective titles - Both will probably decline and instead do exactley what @Squiggles said in his post on the hugely respected fan driven formum 6CM's" - *I'll admit I did paraphrase that a bit*.
They really are fucked though... 🙂
Dont worry. Gomez will take you back to your usual mood by next Monday night.
https://www.thelawyer.com/man-city-hires-pannick-as-it-fights-for-premier-league-survival/
Hiring the lawyer advising Boris over his rule breaking too.
LOL! Check this......
They are SOOOOOO fucked. It's great! I have to say also it's quite rght as well. The Premier League has played a bit of a blinder! There's almost a Machiavellian quiet fucking ruthlessness about it.- Check the above video and you'll see how it was reported. . Whichever way you look at it. ......City are fucked. There's no way the PL would issue a 100 plus breach of regulations if they were not 100% sure. Basically whatever happens - their reputation (which in my own experience was not that bad pre-takever) has now forever been shat on.....Horribly and publically..... Cheaters. Points deduction, fines, titles stripping, explusion from the league. I couldn't really care. They will now forever be known as a team of fucking cheaters. Unlucky you band wagon whoppers out there that decided they were the team for you back in 2008...... Well whatever happens - This is funny...🙂
From the Guardian - 😀
If Manchester City are guilty they have betrayed football as a spectacle
Barney Ronay
Sport only works if it is on some level real, credible and straight – any club that breaks the rules must be harshly punished
‘The idea the rules can simply be ignored if you have the means and the power is morally repugnant’. Photograph: Matt McNulty/Manchester City FC/Getty Images
Mon 6 Feb 2023 19.09 GMTLast modified on Tue 7 Feb 2023 12.07 GMT
Welcome back, then, to chapter two in the slow-burn but undeniably gripping story of Manchester City and the case of the financial regulations.
At times in the past three years it has been tempting to wonder whether the Premier League had quietly shelved its investigation into City’s internal affairs. But no. The sword of justice never sleeps; or at least, that blade is unlikely to remain sheathed for too long when there is money, football, power, influence, money, and above all money involved.
So here we go again, with another lawyered-up deep dive into undeclared payments, Football Leaks and the leftovers of a befuddled Uefa legal process. Make no mistake, though. This is serious, an array of new charges that threatens, if proven, to undermine the entire edifice of English football’s dominant power of the last decade, not to mention call into question the entire basis and motivation of the nation-state club ownership model.
Read more
No doubt news of the charges, which include allegations of inflated deals being struck with connected parties, will have sent shockwaves through City’s commercial sponsors jealous, as always, of their reputations.
Although to date there is no news of any swingeing statement from First Abu Dhabi Bank, Etihad Airways, Experience Abu Dhabi, Emirates Palace hotel in Abu Dhabi, Aldar Properties of Abu Dhabi, Masdar energy of Abu Dhabi, and e& telecoms of Abu Dhabi. No word either from Dude Wipes, the club’s official male-oriented toilet paper partner, although who knows, all things considered this may well turn out to be a case for the dudes.
Not that anyone should be getting too carried away. These are simply charges. City have already seen one guilty verdict overturned on the same issues, and will fight this case with the same vigour. Uefa’s two-year ban from the Champions League for perceived financial irregularities would have effectively derailed the entire Abu Dhabi project. Little wonder City were so palpably furious at the process, the verdict and the degree of punishment handed down.
“We didn’t break the rules. We played the same rules as all the clubs in the Premier League and Uefa,” Pep Guardiola said at the time, a rare step into the politics of ownership during his seven years as an employee.
Pep was right, on the face of it. But there is a little misdirection here. The guilty verdict was dismissed because the court of arbitration for sport (Cas) decided, on a 2-1 majority, that some of Uefa’s claims were time-barred, which is not quite the same as having them properly examined and dismissed. Other charges were “not established”, which means the weight of evidence was not sufficient. But Cas also made a point of stating that Uefa’s charges were “not frivolous”. Or in other words, there was certainly enough to bring a case. Albeit, with a fist-bump to Uefa’s lawyers, not a very good one.
Two years on the Premier League has come to a similar conclusion. That judicial blade is once again cleaving the air. To put it frankly, we could have an absolute crapshow on our hands.
‘We didn’t break the rules. We played the same rules as all the clubs in the Premier League and Uefa,’ said Pep Guardiola in 2020. Photograph: Mike Egerton/PA
It has to be assumed that the Premier League believes it has taken the initial step of meeting the two points where Uefa’s case fell down. There is no time bar here and the league has been able to gather more evidence than a sheaf of Football Leaks printouts. If so then this is potentially a very serious matter. Ultimately, the Premier League has the power to impose fines, dock points and strip titles, even to relegate City (this, of course, will never happen: City are also wonderful content).
Before then there are three questions worth asking. Are these charges for real? Is the process fair or even necessary? And what might it ultimately mean?
The first of these is clear enough. The weight of charges suggests this is more than simply being seen to act. It isn’t hard to see why. The Premier League has been heavily criticised across Europe, accused of drowning the wider world in a wave of money. The financial muscle of nation-state clubs is a key argument employed in favour of a Super League, the Premier League’s only real commercial threat.
There is a good reason here to go after City publicly, to be seen to regulate that issue. Plus, of course, the Premier League is no more than the combined will of its members. Uefa may have no real stomach for an extended fight. But the Premier League is Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and every other club whose interests are diminished by City’s on-field success. Justice: whatever it takes. But money does tend to lead the way.
How long before Pep quits? I bet you a galleon and a knut he will before the season ends over this, It's almost too obvious. Place your bets lad's and lasses. Easy money. 🙂 (maybe....)
If Manchester City are guilty they have betrayed football as a spectacle
Barney Ronay
Sport only works if it is on some level real, credible and straight – any club that breaks the rules must be harshly punished
‘The idea the rules can simply be ignored if you have the means and the power is morally repugnant’. Photograph: Matt McNulty/Manchester City FC/Getty Images
Mon 6 Feb 2023 19.09 GMTLast modified on Tue 7 Feb 2023 12.07 GMT
Welcome back, then, to chapter two in the slow-burn but undeniably gripping story of Manchester City and the case of the financial regulations.
At times in the past three years it has been tempting to wonder whether the Premier League had quietly shelved its investigation into City’s internal affairs. But no. The sword of justice never sleeps; or at least, that blade is unlikely to remain sheathed for too long when there is money, football, power, influence, money, and above all money involved.
So here we go again, with another lawyered-up deep dive into undeclared payments, Football Leaks and the leftovers of a befuddled Uefa legal process. Make no mistake, though. This is serious, an array of new charges that threatens, if proven, to undermine the entire edifice of English football’s dominant power of the last decade, not to mention call into question the entire basis and motivation of the nation-state club ownership model.
Read more
No doubt news of the charges, which include allegations of inflated deals being struck with connected parties, will have sent shockwaves through City’s commercial sponsors jealous, as always, of their reputations.
Although to date there is no news of any swingeing statement from First Abu Dhabi Bank, Etihad Airways, Experience Abu Dhabi, Emirates Palace hotel in Abu Dhabi, Aldar Properties of Abu Dhabi, Masdar energy of Abu Dhabi, and e& telecoms of Abu Dhabi. No word either from Dude Wipes, the club’s official male-oriented toilet paper partner, although who knows, all things considered this may well turn out to be a case for the dudes.
Not that anyone should be getting too carried away. These are simply charges. City have already seen one guilty verdict overturned on the same issues, and will fight this case with the same vigour. Uefa’s two-year ban from the Champions League for perceived financial irregularities would have effectively derailed the entire Abu Dhabi project. Little wonder City were so palpably furious at the process, the verdict and the degree of punishment handed down.
“We didn’t break the rules. We played the same rules as all the clubs in the Premier League and Uefa,” Pep Guardiola said at the time, a rare step into the politics of ownership during his seven years as an employee.
Pep was right, on the face of it. But there is a little misdirection here. The guilty verdict was dismissed because the court of arbitration for sport (Cas) decided, on a 2-1 majority, that some of Uefa’s claims were time-barred, which is not quite the same as having them properly examined and dismissed. Other charges were “not established”, which means the weight of evidence was not sufficient. But Cas also made a point of stating that Uefa’s charges were “not frivolous”. Or in other words, there was certainly enough to bring a case. Albeit, with a fist-bump to Uefa’s lawyers, not a very good one.
Two years on the Premier League has come to a similar conclusion. That judicial blade is once again cleaving the air. To put it frankly, we could have an absolute crapshow on our hands.
‘We didn’t break the rules. We played the same rules as all the clubs in the Premier League and Uefa,’ said Pep Guardiola in 2020. Photograph: Mike Egerton/PA
It has to be assumed that the Premier League believes it has taken the initial step of meeting the two points where Uefa’s case fell down. There is no time bar here and the league has been able to gather more evidence than a sheaf of Football Leaks printouts. If so then this is potentially a very serious matter. Ultimately, the Premier League has the power to impose fines, dock points and strip titles, even to relegate City (this, of course, will never happen: City are also wonderful content).
Before then there are three questions worth asking. Are these charges for real? Is the process fair or even necessary? And what might it ultimately mean?
The first of these is clear enough. The weight of charges suggests this is more than simply being seen to act. It isn’t hard to see why. The Premier League has been heavily criticised across Europe, accused of drowning the wider world in a wave of money. The financial muscle of nation-state clubs is a key argument employed in favour of a Super League, the Premier League’s only real commercial threat.
There is a good reason here to go after City publicly, to be seen to regulate that issue. Plus, of course, the Premier League is no more than the combined will of its members. Uefa may have no real stomach for an extended fight. But the Premier League is Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and every other club whose interests are diminished by City’s on-field success. Justice: whatever it takes. But money does tend to lead the way.
How long before Pep quits? I bet you a galleon and a knut he will before the season ends over this, It's almost too obvious. Place your bets lad's and lasses. Easy money. 🙂 (maybe....)
Right - so this is the case a few years back where City tried to stop the Premier League investigating them and avoid handing over documents.
The Judge ruled in favour of the Premier League - so City had to provide all relevant documentation that the Premier League requested.
The investigation was to be held in secret - as in nothing release publicly about what was going on…. Until, as you say, the other day, when they released their charges.
You’d have to think they’d be pretty confident they have a case they can win - they’d know City will chuck money at lawyers and try to stall the process as much as possible.
Yep - That's the one. Basically the PL has got city by the balls and they HAVE to act. Given the governments recent threats to regulate them over the FFP cock ups in the past. Make no mistake man - City are as dead as disco!
Good - as it should be.
I hope people now get it into their heads why FSG can’t just open their wallets spend sone money on players.
Hopefully Chelsea get fucked over next, then Utd’s debt finally cripples them, Spurs stadium loan repayments fuck them and Arsenal go back to being Arsenal.
Never going to happen.
We need to help ourselves, not fantasize about
misfortune befalling others.
To dream is to believe!!!
I'm intrigued by "wrist wrapping".
It could either be extremely painful - especially for Ederson (one wrist forcefully wrapped around the other), but alternatively could be very benign (cover each wrist, temporarily, in Christmas themed paper). I'm voting for option A
PS Thank God for this thread; what a wonderful relief from the cesspit of negativity, keep it up
Look guys, normally I'd agree about the tap on the wrist stuff, but City have taken the absolute piss out of the system for all this time, but have also been belligerent, legally aggressive, and behaved like they were untouchable for a sustained period. Meanwhile, the non-existent phantom sponsors for City continue to proliferate, to the extent that on paper they draw in more cash than Madrid.
Rangers were guilty of a kind of tax fraud that many clubs at the time dabbled in and they were sent to the bottom of the Scottish football league system. This has been way more serious, more pernicious, and has been a much more diverse variety of fraud committed over a significantly more sustained period. They really need to fuck them. I want those fucking asterisk titles.
Rangers were guilty of a kind of tax fraud that many clubs at the time dabbled in and they were sent to the bottom of the Scottish football league system. This has been way more serious, more pernicious, and has been a much more diverse variety of fraud committed over a significantly more sustained period. They really need to fuck them. I want those fucking asterisk titles.
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