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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42740.msg1217120#msg1217120 date=1289657911]
One of the worst Rafa's transfers.
We badly needed a striker and he splashed £35M+ on Aquilani and Johnson. Criminal
Biggest reason why we are where we are now.
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I thought Johnson would be good for us and I didn't know anything about Aquilani when he signed. I suspect most people were in the much the same position.
Those that knew Aquilani said he was a good player.
I don't think signing two players who didn't or haven't worked out as we'd hoped is a criminal act. I seriously doubt that our current position has anything to do with signing these players.
Whilst we do need a backup striker and have done for sometime, using some sort of weird logic to lay all our problems at the door of one man is daft. Get a grip.
On the subject of the thread, we all know that Johnson can be a good player so it's up to him to get himself in the right shape to perform to his best.
One of the worst Rafa's transfers.
We badly needed a striker and he splashed £35M+ on Aquilani and Johnson. Criminal
Biggest reason why we are where we are now.
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I thought Johnson would be good for us and I didn't know anything about Aquilani when he signed. I suspect most people were in the much the same position.
Those that knew Aquilani said he was a good player.
I don't think signing two players who didn't or haven't worked out as we'd hoped is a criminal act. I seriously doubt that our current position has anything to do with signing these players.
Whilst we do need a backup striker and have done for sometime, using some sort of weird logic to lay all our problems at the door of one man is daft. Get a grip.
On the subject of the thread, we all know that Johnson can be a good player so it's up to him to get himself in the right shape to perform to his best.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=42740.msg1217261#msg1217261 date=1289664588]
Nothing wrong with what Roy said but do it in private. You don't address players through the media.
He was quick to defend Poulsen saying that he's not shite, well Johnson at his worst so far is still better than Poulsen.
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Maybe he's tried the arm round the shoulder in private then when that didn't work the bollocking in private and this is now the last resort.
Nothing wrong with what Roy said but do it in private. You don't address players through the media.
He was quick to defend Poulsen saying that he's not shite, well Johnson at his worst so far is still better than Poulsen.
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Maybe he's tried the arm round the shoulder in private then when that didn't work the bollocking in private and this is now the last resort.
Sheiky, a last resort would be to do what WHU did with Benni McCarthy to get him into shape.
Set weight loss and other targets, failing that put fines in place. Magic may well have lifestyle problems but I would be mystified if the club doesn't have some type of performance clauses and disciplinary procedures in place.
Roy has to deal impartially with all the players whether he likes them or not.
Set weight loss and other targets, failing that put fines in place. Magic may well have lifestyle problems but I would be mystified if the club doesn't have some type of performance clauses and disciplinary procedures in place.
Roy has to deal impartially with all the players whether he likes them or not.
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=42740.msg1217277#msg1217277 date=1289666658]
Sheiky, a last resort would be to do what WHU did with Benni McCarthy to get him into shape.
Set weight loss and other targets, failing that put fines in place. Magic may well have lifestyle problems but I would be mystified if the club doesn't have some type of performance clauses and disciplinary procedures in place.
Roy has to deal impartially with all the players whether he likes them or not.
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He isn't overwieght though?
He looks lean and muscular in all the recent photo's I have seen of him
Sheiky, a last resort would be to do what WHU did with Benni McCarthy to get him into shape.
Set weight loss and other targets, failing that put fines in place. Magic may well have lifestyle problems but I would be mystified if the club doesn't have some type of performance clauses and disciplinary procedures in place.
Roy has to deal impartially with all the players whether he likes them or not.
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He isn't overwieght though?
He looks lean and muscular in all the recent photo's I have seen of him
[quote author=rubans link=topic=42740.msg1217317#msg1217317 date=1289670230]
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42740.msg1217439#msg1217439 date=1289672912]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=42740.msg1217317#msg1217317 date=1289670230]
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
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Exactly, he's got us playing just the way he wants, like Fulham... but without the goals
[quote author=rubans link=topic=42740.msg1217317#msg1217317 date=1289670230]
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
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Exactly, he's got us playing just the way he wants, like Fulham... but without the goals
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=42740.msg1217120#msg1217120 date=1289657911]
One of the worst Rafa's transfers.
We badly needed a striker and he splashed £35M+ on Aquilani and Johnson. Criminal
Biggest reason why we are where we are now.
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Bullshit. We sold Aebeloa & Alonso so we needed a rb and cm. The issue was that all the revenue from the sales wasn't released in order to replace those players.
Had we not signed Johnson, degen would have been our only recognized rb.
One of the worst Rafa's transfers.
We badly needed a striker and he splashed £35M+ on Aquilani and Johnson. Criminal
Biggest reason why we are where we are now.
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Bullshit. We sold Aebeloa & Alonso so we needed a rb and cm. The issue was that all the revenue from the sales wasn't released in order to replace those players.
Had we not signed Johnson, degen would have been our only recognized rb.
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=42740.msg1217439#msg1217439 date=1289672912]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=42740.msg1217317#msg1217317 date=1289670230]
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
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I know much as you about his dealings but what he does in public I know and I can judge him on that which if you read my post my posts above is all I can do and no matter how much you defend him, he is simply awfull.
[quote author=rubans link=topic=42740.msg1217317#msg1217317 date=1289670230]
I simply hate his style of management.
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But you would know very little about his dealings with the players tbf.
You may not like his tone in the media, his tactics on the pitch but none of us here know how the players relate to him.
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I know much as you about his dealings but what he does in public I know and I can judge him on that which if you read my post my posts above is all I can do and no matter how much you defend him, he is simply awfull.
Glen Johnson slams Hodgson's 'boring' tactics and wants to leave Liverpool
By Joe Bernstein Last updated at 10:17 PM on 13th November 2010
England international Glen Johnson wants to leave Liverpool in January after a total breakdown in his relationship with manager Roy Hodgson.
The right-back is said to be outraged by the way Hodgson is alleged to have handled his injury problems this season and the public criticism he received from his manager on Friday.
Glen Johnson has fallen out with Roy Hodgson
Seeing red: Glen Johnson has fallen out with Roy Hodgson
The player's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli, this week to make it clear the £18million England man has no faith left in Hodgson's 'boring' style of play.
Johnson's team will also claim the boss rushed the defender back from a groin injury, leading to further setbacks.
'Things have moved rapidly downhill for Glen since Roy arrived,' said a source. 'He finds the style of football boring and the way he was criticised by the manager in public was uncalled for. He was made to train too soon with a groin injury and it's kept him out for longer than it should have done.'
Johnson, signed by Liverpool's former boss, Rafa Benitez, is prepared to quit English football to end his association with Hodgson. Bayern Munich are monitoring the situation, but if Liverpool progress from the Europa League he would not be able to play for the German giants in this season's Champions League.
Johnson's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli
Showdown talks: Johnson's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli
Johnson missed four games in October with a groin injury but was picked by Hodgson for the Europa League win over Napoli on November 4.
However, the problem has recurred, causing him to miss Liverpool's past three games and ruling him out of England's friendly against France on Wednesday.
The 26-year-old, hailed as the missing piece in Liverpool's title jigsaw when he arrived from Portsmouth last year, is believed to be furious at the way Hodgson rounded on him in a press conference on Friday.
It is unusual for managers to criticise their players so directly but Hodgson pulled no punches as he said: 'To be frank, he has not performed up to now to the level I would expect of him. You would have to ask him the question, "Do you think you are playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?" If he says yes, we will have to agree to differ. And if he says No, then you have to ask the question, why not?'
The fall-out with Johnson marks the start of a critical period for Hodgson, with Comolli ready to take on a more front-line role in player recruitment after being appointed by Liverpool's new owner, John W Henry, of New England Sports Ventures. Comolli is to host meetings with agents this week and also plans to publicly outline his role at the club.
By Joe Bernstein Last updated at 10:17 PM on 13th November 2010
England international Glen Johnson wants to leave Liverpool in January after a total breakdown in his relationship with manager Roy Hodgson.
The right-back is said to be outraged by the way Hodgson is alleged to have handled his injury problems this season and the public criticism he received from his manager on Friday.
Glen Johnson has fallen out with Roy Hodgson
Seeing red: Glen Johnson has fallen out with Roy Hodgson
The player's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli, this week to make it clear the £18million England man has no faith left in Hodgson's 'boring' style of play.
Johnson's team will also claim the boss rushed the defender back from a groin injury, leading to further setbacks.
'Things have moved rapidly downhill for Glen since Roy arrived,' said a source. 'He finds the style of football boring and the way he was criticised by the manager in public was uncalled for. He was made to train too soon with a groin injury and it's kept him out for longer than it should have done.'
Johnson, signed by Liverpool's former boss, Rafa Benitez, is prepared to quit English football to end his association with Hodgson. Bayern Munich are monitoring the situation, but if Liverpool progress from the Europa League he would not be able to play for the German giants in this season's Champions League.
Johnson's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli
Showdown talks: Johnson's representatives will meet new director of football strategy, Damien Comolli
Johnson missed four games in October with a groin injury but was picked by Hodgson for the Europa League win over Napoli on November 4.
However, the problem has recurred, causing him to miss Liverpool's past three games and ruling him out of England's friendly against France on Wednesday.
The 26-year-old, hailed as the missing piece in Liverpool's title jigsaw when he arrived from Portsmouth last year, is believed to be furious at the way Hodgson rounded on him in a press conference on Friday.
It is unusual for managers to criticise their players so directly but Hodgson pulled no punches as he said: 'To be frank, he has not performed up to now to the level I would expect of him. You would have to ask him the question, "Do you think you are playing at top form and are you playing like the best right-back in the country for your club?" If he says yes, we will have to agree to differ. And if he says No, then you have to ask the question, why not?'
The fall-out with Johnson marks the start of a critical period for Hodgson, with Comolli ready to take on a more front-line role in player recruitment after being appointed by Liverpool's new owner, John W Henry, of New England Sports Ventures. Comolli is to host meetings with agents this week and also plans to publicly outline his role at the club.
off you go then
[quote author=ankreds link=topic=42740.msg1217960#msg1217960 date=1289688371]
Things just get from bad to worse..
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i wouldn't say this is necessarily awful. High earner shipped out, hopefully for a decent sum. All the while we get a competent fullback who can defend
Things just get from bad to worse..
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i wouldn't say this is necessarily awful. High earner shipped out, hopefully for a decent sum. All the while we get a competent fullback who can defend
I can't be arsed defending players any more. The majority of them are overpaid, under performing, delusional cunts. No one is indispensible. People need to stop making excuses for them (which I realise I have done with Fernando before by the way).
Sell him.
Sell him.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42740.msg1217962#msg1217962 date=1289688627]
I can't be arsed defending players any more. The majority of them are overpaid, under performing, delusional cunts. No one is indispensible. People need to stop making excuses for them (which I realise I have done with Fernando before by the way).
Sell him.
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Quite. Instead of crying about defensive tactic, why not try working on the aspect of the game you're shit at? Johnson has the potential to be fantastic, yet i fear his attitude makes him believe he already is
I can't be arsed defending players any more. The majority of them are overpaid, under performing, delusional cunts. No one is indispensible. People need to stop making excuses for them (which I realise I have done with Fernando before by the way).
Sell him.
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Quite. Instead of crying about defensive tactic, why not try working on the aspect of the game you're shit at? Johnson has the potential to be fantastic, yet i fear his attitude makes him believe he already is
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42740.msg1217962#msg1217962 date=1289688627]
I can't be arsed defending players any more. The majority of them are overpaid, under performing, delusional cunts. No one is indispensible. People need to stop making excuses for them (which I realise I have done with Fernando before by the way).
Sell him.
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Whilst I agree with every point you've made there, his complaints are grounded in truth (as far as I can tell).
Hodgson should not be openly criticising him and questioning his application a day after praising Poulson, His tactics are the archetype of boring and Johnson did pick up a further groin injury after coming back too soon.
I can't be arsed defending players any more. The majority of them are overpaid, under performing, delusional cunts. No one is indispensible. People need to stop making excuses for them (which I realise I have done with Fernando before by the way).
Sell him.
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Whilst I agree with every point you've made there, his complaints are grounded in truth (as far as I can tell).
Hodgson should not be openly criticising him and questioning his application a day after praising Poulson, His tactics are the archetype of boring and Johnson did pick up a further groin injury after coming back too soon.
I agree he shouldn't do one thing for one person and another for something else, but rather than defending both I'd rather he just said Poulsen was fucking shite too 😉
Another scintillating article by the British press.
We would have seen a different GlenJo in the past few games when we played "attacking football".
It's hard to criticize him, when he was playing in those defensive shite football (like the one yesterday), the whole team didn't play well in those games anyway.
It's hard to criticize him, when he was playing in those defensive shite football (like the one yesterday), the whole team didn't play well in those games anyway.
He's been unfit,slow and he looks like he coldnt be arsed to do anything.
He rarely ventures forwards and he doesnt even close down attackers.
It's shocking how so many on this keep harping on our shit tactics as being the reason he's shit.
If we brought in the sexy manager with the scintillating attacking football we keep yammering about, Johnson will still be shit if his form and fitness don't improve.
He rarely ventures forwards and he doesnt even close down attackers.
It's shocking how so many on this keep harping on our shit tactics as being the reason he's shit.
If we brought in the sexy manager with the scintillating attacking football we keep yammering about, Johnson will still be shit if his form and fitness don't improve.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42740.msg1218063#msg1218063 date=1289729796]
He's been unfit,slow and he looks like he coldnt be arsed to do anything.
He rarely ventures forwards and he doesnt even close down attackers.
It's shocking how so many on this keep harping on our shit tactics as being the reason he's shit.
If we brought in the sexy manager with the scintillating attacking football we keep yammering about, Johnson will still be shit if his form and fitness don't improve.
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... but isn't it Roy's philosophy to defend deep and not press the opposition, but instead remain in formation.
Roy kind of reminds me of that old X-Wing pilot in Star Wars that was forever telling his wing-men to "stay on target" despite getting blasted to buggery by Vader & his wing men.
...."they came through the midfield... it's all up to you Fernando"...
Actually... come to think of it... Maxi looks like one of the cnuts in the cantina... and Gerrard has be so "Han Solo" for us. The Greerk does look like Chewie and on poresent form Glenjo could be Jabba the Hutt.
Roy's no fucking Yoda though.....
Back to my wine & beer..... *sniff*
He's been unfit,slow and he looks like he coldnt be arsed to do anything.
He rarely ventures forwards and he doesnt even close down attackers.
It's shocking how so many on this keep harping on our shit tactics as being the reason he's shit.
If we brought in the sexy manager with the scintillating attacking football we keep yammering about, Johnson will still be shit if his form and fitness don't improve.
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... but isn't it Roy's philosophy to defend deep and not press the opposition, but instead remain in formation.
Roy kind of reminds me of that old X-Wing pilot in Star Wars that was forever telling his wing-men to "stay on target" despite getting blasted to buggery by Vader & his wing men.
...."they came through the midfield... it's all up to you Fernando"...
Actually... come to think of it... Maxi looks like one of the cnuts in the cantina... and Gerrard has be so "Han Solo" for us. The Greerk does look like Chewie and on poresent form Glenjo could be Jabba the Hutt.
Roy's no fucking Yoda though.....
Back to my wine & beer..... *sniff*
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