Bye Bye Kenny???????

[mark1975]

you might be afraid of that, it doesn't mean it won't happen. Trigger happy fans like yourself who can't wait until halfway through a game before pissing yourself and starting a thread don't really help or achieve much. Patience and time is needed. We've got things wrong this season but could still walk away with two cups. As someone else said, imagine what we could do in a good season. Rome wasn't built in a day and things were inevitibly going to get worse before they got better.

 

[Rosco]

Rafa 2010 - 7th
Hodgson/ Kenny 2011 - 6th
Kenny 2012 - midtable anyway.

either we've had a three shit managers on the trot or the problem is something else.

 

[Hansern]

I agree Mark, but Utd have nearly twice as many points as us. We've scored the 4th or 5th fewest goals in the league. We have won 31% of our home games.
We still struggle after 32 games to know what our best line up is, and we chop and change tactics nearly every game.

I can understand the giving him time argument, but I really cant see how things could radically change next year. I just dont at this point, would love to be wrong though.

 

[mark1975]

I don't think there's a basic philosophy at the top, or at least we're in the early days of implimenting it. The club itself needs a strategy both long and short term, and after a disruptive period over the last couple of years, it obviously takes time for things to take shape.

 

[mr_moo]

you might be afraid of that, it doesn't mean it won't happen. Trigger happy fans like yourself who can't wait until halfway through a game before pissing yourself and starting a thread don't really help or achieve much. Patience and time is needed. We've got things wrong this season but could still walk away with two cups. As someone else said, imagine what we could do in a good season. Rome wasn't built in a day and things were inevitibly going to get worse before they got better.

i'm not afraid, nothing would please me more for kenny to succeed, but it just isn't going to happy regardless how much patience and time we offer him. if we give him longer, i genuinely believe the club will have gone so far back, it's going to take even longer than the many years it is already going to take us to return to some decent level (i.e: champ league football regularly).

in fact, i nearly said something prior to the game or even several games before, but i guess my emotions as a fan got the better of me during the villa game and i just decide to use my 'trigger' fingers.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

Rafa fucked up some big transfers and was losing it with his constant battle against hicks and gilgimp. There was an air of depression over the club which got into everyone's minds and on to the pitch performances

Hodgson wasn't popular from the start , spent on shite players and again there was too black a cloud hanging over the club with all the off field stuff . Kenny rode in , moral and results picked up on the back of who he is .

Kenny and comolli clusterfucked a large transfer budget on shite average players without having a true plan on how to play them together .

so i guess what they all have in common is fucking up transfers . Although as much of a fool as he is you could argue hodgson had his hands tied the most with hardly any budget to work with .

 

[mark1975]

and his record transfer was a success.

 

[spider-Neil]

I absolutely agree that personnel is a factor along with injuries but I don't get why we don't adopt a philosophy and stick to it regardless of injuries or who we buy.
for instance when agger was in the side we were clearly pressing high up the pitch which in turn made us put pressure on the opposition, agger is injured and we drop deep and built play suffers as a result.
so, is defending high up the pitch part of our footballing philosophy or is only happening because we are able to play in this manner with agger. shouldn't we do this regardless of personnel?

or how about when rafa was in charge and we bought keane whilst gerrard and torres was probably the hottest attacking forward like in europe so how does that work? where is he going to fit?

the reason why I say this is the manchester team being so strong we are likely going to be treading water whilst we consolidate our position and then build again but I wish we were building TOWARDS something, something that is solid that is used at every level and that is used regardless of personnel. we seem to change tactics by the week and we seem to be totally at the mercy of individuals and injuries. you could say that is every team but manu's strength is built on wingers, barca's strength is built passing and relentless pressing, would injuries change that philosophy?

what our philosophy? it used to be pass and move but it seems that died in the 80's.

 

[keniget]

Rafa 2010 - 7th
Hodgson/ Kenny 2011 - 6th
Kenny 2012 - midtable anyway.

either we've had a three shit managers on the trot or the problem is something else.

We keep spunking away fortunes on average or wrong players.

 

[jexykrodic]

We keep spunking away fortunes on average or wrong players.

If the new owners want CL football and League title challenges they are going to have to dig a lot deeper than they have so far. Even Citeh and Chelsea who have spent big haven't yet been able to overturn United who've spent big for a generation (especially on wages).

And it won't matter who you've got as Manager with the current resources, it'll all boil down to cash.

 

[keniget]

It depends what the goal is. If it's to get CL football than the owners have spent enough. Everyone agrees that we have criminally underperformed this season.

Of course we need to spend a lot more to mount a league title. We're nowhere near one right now.

 

[spider-Neil]

We keep spunking away fortunes on average or wrong players.

rafa

keane - 20m
torres/gerrard was the forward line at the time so where does he fit? would not the moeny have been better utilised on supplying that forward line?

aqua - 20m
bought to replace alonso, bought while aqua was injured. alonso held a deep position and dictated play from in front of the defenders and also proved a shield for them, aqua is an attacking midfielder who is used further up the pitch so how was aqua deemed a replacement?

kenny

carroll - 35m
a beast in the air

downing - 20m
a winger who puts in crosses

too often these two players aren't played at the same time

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signings that make you scratch your head but once the signings were here there is no question in my mind we could have used them better than we have. there are many signings that whilst average when used in the correct manner can be very effective.

 

[peterhague]

rafa

keane - 20m
torres/gerrard was the forward line at the time so where does he fit? would not the moeny have been better utilised on supplying that forward line?

spider-neil: asking the tough questions, in a timely manner. it's just what he does.

 

[cobrastatus]

nope. we won't win fa cup - the toffees will beat us

you're right, but you can fuck off with that attitude

 

[Ryan]

There has been a fem times in this clubs history we have had to call upon KIng K. Frist when we lost Kevin Keegan to Hamburg.... He left a huge hole, and i do remind you that he went on being UEFA player of the year twice. But Liverpool fans didn't Even notice his departure because of Kenny. After the Heysel tragedy the club could have gone in either direction.... Up stood a very young Kenny and built a team so strong that had it not been for the European ban Barcelona would not have been within a sniff of our European titles yet. When he carried the sorrows of the whole city on his shoulders participating in 90 funerals he was barely 40... And when this club lost is identity completely a year and a half ago he walked back into english football scaring the shit out of sir Alex (Did you notice his abysmal attacks on us after that) and pur a smile back on our sad faces.

I am sick when a few losses causes the reactions i see here. Cause if there is one single person who thought us more than anyone else what you'll never walk alone stands for it is Kenny. If it wasn't for the 30 something trophies he had his hand in we would be a poor mans Chelsea. Why do you all think we are hated so much? Because we are the outsiders that showet this nation what glory is about, and we weren't supposed to.Glory belonged to London and Manchester... They never forgave us our proud history, and now we need to restore the mentality that once Made us winners. There is only one man that can do that.... And to you fucking losers that is calling on his head cause we hit the bar and didn't out away our chances: i feel sorry for Your fathers cause they tought their kid had it in him to be a Liverpool supporter.... Well he didn't. He was a sulking average Joe... Just like the assholes down m62. Bugger off!!

Fucking schmaltz.

He's been utterly fucking dreadful, and I can't wait til he goes.

 

[mr_moo]

you're right, but you can fuck off with that attitude

You're quite right, but can hardly blame me and the many others for having this attitude after the woeful season thus far.

 

[spider-Neil]

Fucking schmaltz.

He's been utterly fucking dreadful, and I can't wait til he goes.

shocking lack of patience.

things aren't going well - solution = get rid
manager isn't playing the team I want - solution = get rid
we're struggling - solution = get rid

there are a ton of examples that suggest the last people the board such listen to are the fans.
the fans were all over ashley, where are those same fans now?
it's fickle 'I want it now' entitlement bullshit.
weren't liverpool supposed to have 'the most knowledgeable fans in football'? whatever.

 

[keniget]

Calling it fickle "I want it now" entitlement bullshit is very lazy and more often than not, wrong.

 

[Judge Jules]

I'm not so sure, given that it's taken only a matter of months (during which we've won a trophy) for such a switchback to take place.

 

[keniget]

Huh?

 

[Fabio]

I'm not so sure, given that it's taken only a matter of months (during which we've won a trophy) for such a switchback to take place.

We won a trophy

since january we've acquired 9 points is it?

Struggling against a championship side in the final shouldn't lead to everything being super. Trhe problems were there before the cup and they're still there afterwards

 

[OLD_Lewy]

yeah we should really stop looking at the carling cup as a sign of a good season, especially when we struggled against a team we should easily beat, we only won because they were somehow worse at penalties than we are, as unbelievable as that sounds. the fa cup would be a better sign, but right now i think we'll struggle to win that

 

[Judge Jules]

Nobody's saying "everything's super", but I also take issue with the opposite extreme view that everything's sh!te. The overriding problem is finishing. It's a biggie and it's right that Kenny be put on the spot over it. Otherwise, for all the disappointment over some of our players we've played generally good football and had atrocious luck. Is everything rosy? No. Is everything f'cked? No again.

 

[23carragold]

When talking about the carling cup, why do people just focus on the final itself? Because I seem to remember beating Chelsea away, and Man City over two legs on the way to the final?! Did I dream this?

 

[mark1975]

Because that wouldn't suit the agenda's of trigger happy, impatient bellends?

 

[keniget]

I don't believe "everything is fucked". This team is salvageable, sure. All it'll take is a good transfer window or two and good management to bring it all together. Cynicism on that front is perfectly understandable given the catastrophe last summer and the season we find ourselves having to endure now.

Good football plagued by woeful finishing and bad luck?

I think that's being very generous indeed. We're on our worst run for over 50 years, the team has looked clueless a lot of the time and there are a number of fairly deep rooted issues that need to be addressed. You don't under achieve so badly by simply having bad luck. I'm not trying to be negative, I have no wish to see Kenny fail... I just see no point in trying to pretend things are better than they are.

In trying to defend Kenny a very rose tinted defence is often put forward. It's like the Rafa debates all over again. KCDNR vs KCDNW and both sides are adopting (relatively) extreme viewpoints.

 

[RedStar]

Look nobody wanted him to fail, Ive never seen so much goodwill towards a manager in my life but lets call a spade a spade, its not working. Our form had been patchy til the new year and since then its bottomed out, its not a blip, we are sliding down the table, we're 2 points ahead of stoke in 11th place. We cant buy a win and this season cannot end soon enough, having faith in a manager is one thing, blind devotion is another.

Kenny is not above the criticism he is getting now, no manager is, a manager has to carry the can for the results thats the job it always has been, there is no sense in revising history now. I dont see anything right now that leads me to believe that the team is making progress and that Kenny should be the man in charge next season, we look utterly clueless, you can blame the luck of the cross bar or injuries or some Alex Ferguson based media/FA/referee conspiracy but the truth is we havent been good enough, we spent 100 million in the last 18 months and we are battling it out with the likes of Sunderland and Everton who havent got a pot to piss in between them.

For the die hards here is a question, how bad would this season have to get before you would question Dlaglish, where would we have to finish, 9th 10th, bottom half? Because thats fast becoming the reality, and if the answer is 'never' then you really have no part in any logical discussion about his future at this club because it does not exist to serve Kenny Dalglish or any nostalgic dreams of the 1980s, we have to deal with the reality we are currently living in, its not working, the tactics are all over the place, the substitutions are confusing and often counter intuitive, confidence is haemorrhaging out of the players and given the absolute catastrophe that was last summers transfer dealings its very difficult to believe Kenny will be able to identify or bring in the players to put things right.

He should get til the end of the season out of respect and common sense, beyond that would be sentimental foolishness to persist with this messiah delusion and Henry does not strike me as a sentimental or foolish man

 

[Fabio]

When talking about the carling cup, why do people just focus on the final itself? Because I seem to remember beating Chelsea away, and Man City over two legs on the way to the final?! Did I dream this?

chelsea away, great game, we did well. City over 2 legs, our defence (our main lovely happy positive of the season) did a fantastic job, as did craig bellamy.

But i'm happy to be a trigger happy bellend. When i see few positives and a manager who seems to be struggling to get the players motivated for him, i worry.

 

[23carragold]

Do you not think our slump in form has coincided with losing Agger and Johnson? And Kelly more recently?

I think this is a massive factor, our defence going to shit, combined with our pants finishing is obviously going to cause massive issues.

I'm more worried about the inadequate relplacements in defence, than getting on board with all this Kenny out bollocks. That being said perhaps he should have given Coates a chance rather than Carra, particularly because there's nothing to play for in the league.

 

[Fabio]

Do you not think our slump in form has coincided with losing Agger and Johnson? And Kelly more recently?

I think this is a massive factor, our defence going to shit, combined with our pants finishing is obviously going to cause massive issues.

I'm more worried about the inadequate relplacements in defence, than getting on board with all this Kenny out bollocks. That being said perhaps he should have given Coates a chance rather than Carra, particularly because there's nothing to play for in the league.

agger hasn't been out since january