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Benitez to be Newcastle Manager..

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LeTallecWiz said:
No - I meant I didn't believe that he didn't want to sign for them because of loyalty to us (which is something that was bandied around, esp with the captain's armband pic).
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Ah ok. Fair enough then. I've always assumed that was the type of crap that was repeated on forums over and over again until it becomes "fact". I think Torres even mentioned in his (utterly shit) book that he only wore it because a friend gave it to him.
 
LeTallecWiz said:
to be honest, even if Manure had got him, it would have been the same thing as us - getting a player who's highly rated but has not yet taken his game to the next level. I guess a good recent example is Bayern with Lewandoski (he's in his prime) and Goetze (he's going to get even better).
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He was a much bigger star than either of those. Aguero going to City, or maybe Hazard to Chelsea, were both similar deals at similar points in the players' careers.
 
peterhague said:
Torres was a top top player when he signed for us. Probably the biggest name we've ever signed. But the main point is that the closest we've ever come to being able to attract the best players in Europe came under Rafa.
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No, he was a top top talent ... He wasn't a 'top top player.'

I'd say the biggest player we've signed who was in his prime - who people still look at as the best in terms of passing etc - was Molby. No one will remember Torres - outside that spell with Liverpool (as every announcer says every single game nowadays) - bar us.

I wish we could have the success we had with the managers who should be on that flag (Shanks, Bob, Fagan and Kenny) and not be able to 'attract the best players in Europe' ...
 
peterhague said:
Torres was a top top player when he signed for us. Probably the biggest name we've ever signed. But the main point is that the closest we've ever come to being able to attract the best players in Europe came under Rafa.
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We've done this before. You think a player who couldn't hit 20 goals a year until he moved to Liverpool was a 'star.' I don't - he was an excellent talent who never performed for Atleti at the level he reached with us. So, he wasn't a 'star' then because he was a star with us ...
 
I don't remember us signing Molby, but he had only played two seasons with Ajax when we signed him and was 21. I'm guessing, but I would think Torres, at 23, and already established in the Spanish team would have been in a comparable standing.
 
refugee said:
Ah ok. Fair enough then. I've always assumed that was the type of crap that was repeated on forums over and over again until it becomes "fact". I think Torres even mentioned in his (utterly shit) book that he only wore it because a friend gave it to him.
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He wrote a book? Man, what is it with footballers? Finish your career - THEN write a book!
 
LeTallecWiz said:
We've done this before. You think a player who couldn't hit 20 goals a year until he moved to Liverpool was a 'star.' I don't - he was an excellent talent who never performed for Atleti at the level he reached with us. So, he wasn't a 'star' then because he was a star with us ...
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I'm too young to remember us signing Molby, but I seriously doubt he had the standing in the game that torres did in 2007. Torres was a big star. He'd been seen as *the* best young striker in Europe for years, Man Utd and Chelsea had been linked to him for years. You think nobody will remember him? Personally I'd be surprised if many people besides Danes and LFC remember much about Molby.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I don't remember us signing Molby, but he had only played two seasons with Ajax when we signed him and was 21. I'm guessing, but I would think Torres, at 23, and already established in the Spanish team would have been in a comparable standing.
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I take that comment back then - same exact level (though Torres reached much much higher I guess) ... Molby was starting every day - going by Wiki stats - for a title winning team in his two years there.

As for 'established,' he'd played 30+ games or so - and mostly replacing the likes of Raul, Morientes and Villa. I think he started a game in the world cup though in 2006 (Ukraine?) and wasn't used at all afterward.
 
peterhague said:
I'm too young to remember us signing Molby, but I seriously doubt he had the standing in the game that torres did in 2007. Torres was a big star. He'd been seen as *the* best young striker in Europe for years, Man Utd and Chelsea had been linked to him for years. You think nobody will remember him? Personally I'd be surprised if many people besides Danes and LFC remember much about Molby.
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'Big star' is different from being amongst the 'best young strikers in Europe' ...

Can you please show me some links where Chelsea were linked to him? Also Barca and any other Big European teams ... Curious to see as I just don't remember interest bar us and the Mancs.

who'll remember Torres bar Spaniards (only for 2008 probably) and LFC fans who put aside their hatred of him (I don't hate him - feel sorry for him, killed his career the doofus).
 
peterhague said:
I'm too young to remember us signing Molby, but I seriously doubt he had the standing in the game that torres did in 2007. Torres was a big star. He'd been seen as *the* best young striker in Europe for years, Man Utd and Chelsea had been linked to him for years. You think nobody will remember him? Personally I'd be surprised if many people besides Danes and LFC remember much about Molby.
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Molby in his prime oozed class.. Built like brick shithouse.. If you could tackle molby and came out intact, you had done extremly well..

Extremley great passer of the ball & plenty of goals in him too.. Great player.. In his prime, Id rate him better than Alonso.. most certainly..
 
I don't really know how we've gotten here. We've always had the ability to sign top young talent from any club, besides the top ones in England, Spain and to lesser extent Italy and Germany. We've never signed anyone world class at their peak(around 27), and we probably never will. I don't think we've lost our ability to sign good young talent, but obviously we can do it more when we improve(although then we'll have less need to), and if we have more money.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I don't really know how we've gotten here. We've always had the ability to sign top young talent from any club, besides the top ones in England, Spain and to lesser extent Italy and Germany. We've never signed anyone world class at their peak(around 27), and we probably never will. I don't think we've lost our ability to sign good young talent, but obviously we can do it more when we improve(although then we'll have less need to), and if we have more money.
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Isn't that what I said? 🙂
 
LeTallecWiz said:
'Big star' is different from being amongst the 'best young strikers in Europe' ...

Can you please show me some links where Chelsea were linked to him? Also Barca and any other Big European teams ... Curious to see as I just don't remember interest bar us and the Mancs.

who'll remember Torres bar Spaniards (only for 2008 probably) and LFC fans who put aside their hatred of him (I don't hate him - feel sorry for him, killed his career the doofus).
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2408099/Chelsea-sign-Bridge.html

Meanwhile, Chelsea have had a £28million bid for Spanish teenager Fernando Torres rejected by Atletico Madrid.
Torres, a 19-year-old who plays for Spain Under-21s, is one of the hottest properties in the country after scoring 13 goals last term for Atletico.
The bid, according to the Madrid-based Marca sports paper, was made by Chelsea's new Russian owner Roman Abramovich directly to Atletico's directors a couple of days ago.
 
Torres scored the winning goal to win Spain their first international tournament... nobody will remember him except Liverpool fans?!
 
refugee said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2408099/Chelsea-sign-Bridge.html
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Props to Peter - good memory there.


Meanwhile, Chelsea have had a £28million bid for Spanish teenager Fernando Torres rejected by Atletico Madrid.

Torres, a 19-year-old who plays for Spain Under-21s, is one of the hottest properties in the country after scoring 13 goals last term for Atletico.

The bid, according to the Madrid-based Marca sports paper, was made by Chelsea's new Russian owner Roman Abramovich directly to Atletico's directors a couple of days ago.
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Odd that they took almost 5 million less than that from us a few years later ... The markets went up after that too ...
 
RedNinja said:
Molby in his prime oozed class.. Built like brick shithouse.. If you could tackle molby and came out intact, you had done extremly well..

Extremley great passer of the ball & plenty of goals in him too.. Great player.. In his prime, Id rate him better than Alonso.. most certainly..
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I know all that, just don't remember it happening. You're lucky to have been able to watch us then, though!
 
The main thing for me when thinking about the Ged and Rafa's time here is how little margin for error they had if they were to win the league.

They both essentially had one summer transfer window to get the right additional players for the squad they had. They both failed and that was it. The chance of winning the league was gone. It's amazing how quickly everything they had built up to that point just fell apart without any chance of another shot at the league.
 
I'd prefer it if no one put a "mohammed fucking mohammed " pic up..... Thanx xx
 
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