I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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Arrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh!
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Ha ha. That hook was baited just for you.
Arrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhh!
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Ha ha. That hook was baited just for you.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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I just mean how he banded him about to anybody who would listen when he was one of our better players, regardless of form really. I for one, don't know about anybody else, thought selling Alonso was an absolute disaster, and treating him like that was the start of it. He was a focal point of a lot of our play. I think Rafa should have been a lot smarter there. That doesn't really require hindsight.
The Aquilani signing sort of comes under my point too since he was signed as Alonso's replacement and it's been one of the costliest errors in our history.
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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I just mean how he banded him about to anybody who would listen when he was one of our better players, regardless of form really. I for one, don't know about anybody else, thought selling Alonso was an absolute disaster, and treating him like that was the start of it. He was a focal point of a lot of our play. I think Rafa should have been a lot smarter there. That doesn't really require hindsight.
The Aquilani signing sort of comes under my point too since he was signed as Alonso's replacement and it's been one of the costliest errors in our history.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
[/quote]
I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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You may have been baiting Keni but I mostly agree with that. Alonso was hardly "shit" but he wasn't performing as well as in his debut season and hadn't been for some time. Whether that was down to a bit of a slump or whether Premiership teams figured out a way to counter him is up for debate. At the time there was reason to think Barry might be a good addition to the team (though not on the left side as it seems Rafa had intended). Regardless, Xabi's form last season was nothing short of imperious and what has happened since has been an absolute disaster. Xabi admitted that he was "turned" by how he felt offered up for sale and that places a considerable portion of the responsibility on Rafa. (Please note: this is not intended as a "Rafa SUKZ! OMG111! LOLZ" post.)
(I also like Aquilani. I also think his transfer has been a disaster. Oh well, it's about that time of year we Liverpool supporters get excited for the proverbial, perennial "next year".)
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
[/quote]
I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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You may have been baiting Keni but I mostly agree with that. Alonso was hardly "shit" but he wasn't performing as well as in his debut season and hadn't been for some time. Whether that was down to a bit of a slump or whether Premiership teams figured out a way to counter him is up for debate. At the time there was reason to think Barry might be a good addition to the team (though not on the left side as it seems Rafa had intended). Regardless, Xabi's form last season was nothing short of imperious and what has happened since has been an absolute disaster. Xabi admitted that he was "turned" by how he felt offered up for sale and that places a considerable portion of the responsibility on Rafa. (Please note: this is not intended as a "Rafa SUKZ! OMG111! LOLZ" post.)
(I also like Aquilani. I also think his transfer has been a disaster. Oh well, it's about that time of year we Liverpool supporters get excited for the proverbial, perennial "next year".)
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
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I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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You may have been baiting Keni but I mostly agree with that. Alonso was hardly "shit" but he wasn't performing as well as in his debut season and hadn't been for some time. Whether that was down to a bit of a slump or whether Premiership teams figured out a way to counter him is up for debate. At the time there was reason to think Barry might be a good addition to the team (though not on the left side as it seems Rafa had intended). Regardless, Xabi's form last season was nothing short of imperious and what has happened since has been an absolute disaster. Xabi admitted that he was "turned" by how he felt offered up for sale and that places a considerable portion of the responsibility on Rafa. (Please note: this is not intended as a "Rafa SUKZ! OMG111! LOLZ" post.)
(I also like Aquilani. I also think his transfer has been a disaster. Oh well, it's about that time of year we Liverpool supporters get excited for the proverbial, perennial "next year".)
[/quote] That sums it up nicely.
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39705.msg1084890#msg1084890 date=1270756542]
I think the biggest mistake Rafa has made in his whole time here was the handling of the whole Alonso/Barry saga, and how he has tried to rectify it since. Losing Xabi was a much bigger hammer blow than most of us could ever have thought.
[/quote]
I think that's harsh as Xabi's form really wasn't all that great when Rafa began the Barry pursuit. Hindsight makes the whole thing look worse than it was at the time.
I agree with peterhague: in the context of our needs and resources, Aquilani has been the biggest transfer disaster in our history. And I like what I've seen of him as a player.
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You may have been baiting Keni but I mostly agree with that. Alonso was hardly "shit" but he wasn't performing as well as in his debut season and hadn't been for some time. Whether that was down to a bit of a slump or whether Premiership teams figured out a way to counter him is up for debate. At the time there was reason to think Barry might be a good addition to the team (though not on the left side as it seems Rafa had intended). Regardless, Xabi's form last season was nothing short of imperious and what has happened since has been an absolute disaster. Xabi admitted that he was "turned" by how he felt offered up for sale and that places a considerable portion of the responsibility on Rafa. (Please note: this is not intended as a "Rafa SUKZ! OMG111! LOLZ" post.)
(I also like Aquilani. I also think his transfer has been a disaster. Oh well, it's about that time of year we Liverpool supporters get excited for the proverbial, perennial "next year".)
[/quote] That sums it up nicely.
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