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Benitez admits 'big mistakes'

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I saw the thread title and though "Wow, finally!". I've tried to sit on the fence with the whole Rafa issue this season, but I've still longed for a frank admission that mistakes have been made instead of excuses and generic media blurbs. I was ready to give Rafa a lot of respect for what imagined the interview to be.

It's a shame reality turned out to be so disappointing yet again. Was that bit at the end intended as a dig at Aquilani? Shameful if so.
 
I don't get why he's come and said this - some sort of frank admission might've borrowed him some friends - but we get the usual half-way stuff that's neither here nor there.

I'd like to hear what Rafa says his 'Big mistakes' have been. .
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39705.msg1084196#msg1084196 date=1270674485]
yeah. well how about you fucking learn from one of your mistakes you fucking idiot
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Bingo. Mistakes are forgiveable. Constantly repeating them isn't.
 
If you listen to the audio at:

BBC Sport - Football - Rafael Benitez admits to making mistakes at Liverpool

It puts the initial post in context and you'll see that the conclusions jumped to are (as ever) wrong.

I think it best if he's replaced but reducing his interviews in articles to selected negative soundbites, and without the context the wider interview gives, isn't helpful.

It seems to me that Rafa knows he's on his way and he's agreeing with his players and simply telling it like it is but it's falling on deaf ears. I suspect he knows nobody is listening.

In addition there's a longer article in The Times at:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article7091063.ece

The penultimate paragraph carries the quote:

“Every manager makes mistakes,†Benítez said. “But you can see the difference — at some clubs you can make two or three mistakes of £15-20 million every year and nothing happens; here, because of the situation, you can make a substitution and we can be talking for one week about the end of the world.â€

You sense the frustration both the players and Manager have. He needs a change and so do we, but the deep rooted problem of finance is not going to go away with his departure.
 
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I don't get why he's come and said this - some sort of frank admission might've borrowed him some friends - but we get the usual half-way stuff that's neither here nor there.

I'd like to hear what Rafa says his 'Big mistakes' have been. .
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This.
 
well, people see what they want to see. I read that piece and it doesn't sound like he is blaming anyone other than himself for the mistakes of this season. where is he trying to deflect blame?
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=39705.msg1084210#msg1084210 date=1270676088]
If you listen to the audio at:

It puts the initial post in context and you'll see that the conclusions jumped to are (as ever) wrong.

I think it best if he's replaced but reducing his interviews in articles to selected negative soundbites, and without the context the wider interview gives, isn't helpful.

It seems to me that Rafa knows he's on his way and he's agreeing with his players and simply telling it like it is but it's falling on deaf ears. I suspect he knows nobody is listening.

In addition there's a longer article in The Times at:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/liverpool/article7091063.ece

The penultimate paragraph carries the quote:

“Every manager makes mistakes,†Benítez said. “But you can see the difference — at some clubs you can make two or three mistakes of £15-20 million every year and nothing happens; here, because of the situation, you can make a substitution and we can be talking for one week about the end of the world.â€

You sense the frustration both the players and Manager have. He needs a change and so do we, but the deep rooted problem of finance is not going to go away with his departure.

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Yep. Fully agree.

As for the quote on Aquilani. When put into context, he's actually having a pop at the fact that Fergie can have the injury prone Anderson (17m) and Hargreaves (18m) out for most of the season without United suffering at all. Whereas, one injury to a key member of our side and we're down to the bare bones. It's a fair point. The question is though, has he been given enough money to make a couple of mistakes? I'll reserve judgement until I see the statistics.
 
Let's face it Rafa, Aquilani is a minor mistake in the grand scheme of things.

Your mistakes and daft as fuck decisions are as regular as clockwork, but you're not admitting that.

It's a shame really, because if you decided to simplify things, play football that suits the league you're in, play players in their natural positions, and respect that a certain amount of feedback from the players would probably do you a few favours, there's no reason why you wouldn't be a decent manager.

The worst kind of idiot is one that nevr learns.
 
I hate this "we bought a player that has been injured all year"

WTF.

Everyone man and his dog knew of the injuries.

Why buy him in the first place.
 
From The Times April 8, 2010

Liverpool need cash to compete, says Rafael Benitez
Tony Barrett


Rafael Benítez believes that he has taken Liverpool as far as he can unless the club’s long-running search for investment bears fruit. The Liverpool manager, laying bare his frustration at seeing the Rhône Group’s deadline for the club to accept its offer lapse on Monday, said that it had caused his optimism to turn to fears of stagnation.

Club officials insist that Rhône’s offer — £100 million for a 40 per cent stake, with the cash being used to reduce the club’s £237 million debt at the behest of the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), the creditor — has not been withdrawn. However, it is understood that Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the Liverpool owners, were not enticed by a bid that would have left them as minority shareholders.

With no other offer on the table, Benítez has made it clear that Liverpool’s malaise could become entrenched if investment is not forthcoming, supporting the view of Fernando Torres, the forward, that cash must be found.

“Some players have been talking about what we need for the future and I agree with them,†Benítez said. “They are working very hard, you cannot expect more from them and I agree that if we want to take the step forward that we need to take, we will need money to compete with the top sides.

“I agree with Fernando on a lot of things. That it is a pity that after finishing with 86 points last year we couldn’t progress. I agree with him that we need to sign some players. We need to invest and then we can challenge in a better way. While we don’t have the investor, it will be difficult to go one step forward. We balanced the books this year and now we need to go forward on the pitch.

“For six months I was really optimistic, especially about the Rhône Group, because they were one of the groups who were there. But they are not there now. For months I have been waiting for new investors and trying to focus on football and I will try to do the same thing now because that is best for the team and the club.â€

Last summer, Benítez spent about £36 million on Alberto Aquilani, Glen Johnson and Sotirios Kyrgiakos, but his outlay was at least matched by the income from sales, the most significant of which were Xabi Alonso and Ãlvaro Arbeloa to Real Madridand others.

Furthermore, while Liverpool received a substantial downpayment for Alonso they paid only an initial £5 million on Aquilani with the remaining £12 million to follow in instalments, while Johnson’s £17 million fee was offset by the £10 million owed to the Anfield club by Portsmouth for the transfer of Peter Crouch in July 2008 and loan of Jermaine Pennant six months later.

Their spending power in the transfer market was restricted by the £30 million in interest they paid to the RBS as a result of the debts built up by Hicks and Gillett. The Americans have held talks with Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, the City lawyers, as they continue their attempts to refinance those debts.

Liverpool will attempt to overturn a 2-1 first-leg deficit at Anfield as they aim to reach the semi-finals of the Europa League at Benfica’s expense tonight, but it is their problems off the pitch that dominate the agenda.

Europe was captivated by Barcelona’s performance against Arsenal on Tuesday and Benítez’s thoughts were dominated by the Catalan club’s superiority to his team. “Barcelona are a massive club with a massive stadium,†Benítez said. “They can spend big money in the transfer window and they have a lot of players coming from the system.

“That is the way to do things if you want to compete at the maximum level. We have to be positive and think that the investors will come. All I can do is focus on [tonight’s] game. I am not happy with the situation but I will try to do my best.â€

Benítez’s outburst also appears to have been provoked by the outcry that followed his decision to replace Torres with David Ngog in Liverpool’s 1-1 Barclays Premier League draw with Birmingham City on Sunday. “Every manager makes mistakes,†Benítez said. “But you can see the difference — at some clubs you can make two or three mistakes of £15-20 million every year and nothinghappens; here, because of the situation, you can make a substitution and we can be talking for one week about the end of the world.â€
 
Once again he's trying to find excuses and blame the owners....
Enough is enough. You're not fooling anyone anymore Rafa.
Just shut up, coach your team and go at the end of the season.
Houiller was getting pathetic at the end of his reign, Rafa is worse. this interview just sounds fake...
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39705.msg1084319#msg1084319 date=1270691682]
I'm surprised you see things this way Lech.
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I was one of the first to make comparisons with Houillers and Rafa's reigns...
I wasnt far off the mark but I was wrong, GH never blamed his owners for a lack of results on the pitch.
I wanted him to go but was a bit sad because he was a genuine guy...
Rafa is a manipulative, machiavellian, desperate manager trying to fool the fan.
I will be happy when he's gone
 
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[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39705.msg1084196#msg1084196 date=1270674485]
yeah. well how about you fucking learn from one of your mistakes you fucking idiot
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Bingo. Mistakes are forgiveable. Constantly repeating them isn't.
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No such thing as a mistake if you learn a lesson.
 
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=39705.msg1084331#msg1084331 date=1270695916]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39705.msg1084200#msg1084200 date=1270674632]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39705.msg1084196#msg1084196 date=1270674485]
yeah. well how about you fucking learn from one of your mistakes you fucking idiot
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Bingo. Mistakes are forgiveable. Constantly repeating them isn't.
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No such thing as a mistake if you learn a lesson.
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What?
 
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39705.msg1084200#msg1084200 date=1270674632]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=39705.msg1084196#msg1084196 date=1270674485]
yeah. well how about you fucking learn from one of your mistakes you fucking idiot
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Bingo. Mistakes are forgiveable. Constantly repeating them isn't.
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No such thing as a mistake if you learn a lesson.
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That's not how it goes, Dreamy... I think it goes more like 'A mistake's never 100% negative if you learn from it", or something like that.
 
He hasn't made a mistake here though, he's just "learning".

Or something like that.
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39705.msg1084324#msg1084324 date=1270692841]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39705.msg1084319#msg1084319 date=1270691682]
I'm surprised you see things this way Lech.
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I was one of the first to make comparisons with Houillers and Rafa's reigns...
I wasnt far off the mark but I was wrong, GH never blamed his owners for a lack of results on the pitch.
I wanted him to go but was a bit sad because he was a genuine guy...
Rafa is a manipulative, machiavellian, desperate manager trying to fool the fan.
I will be happy when he's gone
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But this time the shit hit the fan instead... 8)
 
Fair enough - having heard the audio, the print version (if it wasn't done from a separate interview) was very selectively edited, and it doesn't sound like he was having a go at Aquilani. It also doesn't sound like he's very contrite about his mistakes though.

The only answer, as ever, is to spend lots of money. Like Barcelona, apparently. Erm, how much have Barca spent on transfers in the last five years? I'd be amazed - AMAZED - if it's more than Liverpool have spent.
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=39705.msg1084405#msg1084405 date=1270711599]
Fair enough - having heard the audio, the print version (if it wasn't done from a separate interview) was very selectively edited, and it doesn't sound like he was having a go at Aquilani. It also doesn't sound like he's very contrite about his mistakes though.

The only answer, as ever, is to spend lots of money. Like Barcelona, apparently. Erm, how much have Barca spent on transfers in the last five years? I'd be amazed - AMAZED - if it's more than Liverpool have spent.
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barca have a fantastic youth system

if liverpool went down that road the fans have the patience to wait for the results? I doubt it.
 
In the last 2 years we've spent around the same that Barca have spent in the last five years Bunnyman.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39705.msg1084410#msg1084410 date=1270712014]
In the last 2 years we've spent around the same that Barca have spent in the last five years Bunnyman.
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That surely can't be right.

To name a few signings off the top of my head just in the last two years - Ibra (40M), Alves (25M), Chiggy (20M), Henry (15M), Keita (10M), Caceres (10M), Keirrison (10M) and so forth.

That's more than we've spent.
 
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