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Christ Vlad, no need to get so offended, I only asked a question. As for Konoplyanka, wasn't it widely reported that we agreed a deal with him, and met the release clause, but Dnirpo refused to sign the agreement, despite the fact they legally had too? I don't think anyone at LFC can be blamed for that. I'm 100% of the opinion this Ayre hate is due to him being an easy target (see Harley in being Liverpool, the aforementioned drunk photo, and his gormless face) moreso than him actually doing much wrong (I'm not claiming he's brilliant), but each to their own!
 
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I have the same impression as Vlad of Ayre. I think he's a bit of a tool, and I also think there's no doubt too many deals for major targets failed in the last few windows.
 
Ultimately he's presided over a lot of improvements commercially and as a club. He had a role bringing in and recommending Rodgers for one. Lets not be too picky. Plus he's a local lad, which really counts for a lot. I think be may be taking a fee things for granted here.
 
Christ Vlad, no need to get so offended, I only asked a question. As for Konoplyanka, wasn't it widely reported that we agreed a deal with him, and met the release clause, but Dnirpo refused to sign the agreement, despite the fact they legally had too? I don't think anyone at LFC can be blamed for that. I'm 100% of the opinion this Ayre hate is due to him being an easy target (see Harley in being Liverpool, the aforementioned drunk photo, and his gormless face) moreso than him actually doing much wrong (I'm not claiming he's brilliant), but each to their own!
Sorry old chap, I was just a tad irritated at the correct assumption that we really don't know what goes on behind the closed doors, which is correct, but then through the thread you go on to tell us that it's not Ayre's fault when things don't go our way.
The Dnipro thing was all sorted, but we bungled the transfer of funds, and blamed them for the breakdown, which they took exception too and told us what really happened.
Localny makes a point we have progressed under Ayre, I would say we have progressed through FSG. He also says he is a local lad which helps, I think that has helped him in FSG eyes, and the fact they are mainly absentees, I would point out , and I am fairly sure on this, but our greatest administrator Peter Robinson managed OK and he was not a local.
I may be a little unfair on him, but clearly the popular perception is not great, not helped by the aforesaid incidents, could you ever imagine David Dien, behaving like that? The position requires a little more gravitas and decorum.
I still remain unconvinced at his negotiation skills when the going gets tough, I don't know, it's true, but there have been too many examples of us earmarking our prime targets and failing, this window should be easier in many ways, but harder in others.
 
I tend to side with Vlad on this. I don't have particular inside knowledge or anything but it seems to me that, while Ayre may or may not have personally made mistakes, he's head honcho and it's ultimately his responsibility to see that mistakes aren't made by whoever's involved on behalf of LFC. When I was still employed and had staff working for me I accepted that I was answerable for what they did, even if I hadn't had a direct hand in it.

We need to perform more consistently in getting transfers done than we have on Ayre's watch.
 
I still remain unconvinced at his negotiation skills when the going gets tough, I don't know, it's true, but there have been too many examples of us earmarking our prime targets and failing, this window should be easier in many ways, but harder in others.


Surely he is only negotiating within the parameters set by FSG. It is not his money afterall. We do know that we are not offering contracts as advantageous as our rivals and have not been in the CL so it could be he has been attempting to close a deal with both arms tied behind his back. Tough to criticise if true.

However it does seem the penny has dropped and the club are at least showing a bit more aggression in getting these deals done.
 
I'm not sure Vlad we do know what happened with Kono - I'm not sure we can take the word of that club owner. As for success just as when things go wrong in the club, the boss gets the blame - the same goes true for when things go well - regardless. I'd imagine he had a hand in appointing BR which looks like a stroke of genius right now. He's also been documented as instrumental on the financial side.

I'm not sure what the commercial split is with hogan but I don't think we can dismiss ayre.

Finally on the gravitas side I do agree but I found it kind of endearing
 
The commercial side is starting to really pick up and that is down to a team led by Hogan which has been set up with the aim of creating greater predictable revenue streams into the club. In a way it is quite an obvious change that by professionalising the process of doing this and hiring in some talent specifically to do concentrate on this, more gets generated.
 
The commercial side is starting to really pick up and that is down to a team led by Hogan which has been set up with the aim of creating greater predictable revenue streams into the club. In a way it is quite an obvious change that by professionalising the process of doing this and hiring in some talent specifically to do concentrate on this, more gets generated.

On a side note, dated 27 May 2014


[article=http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6d0b40aa-e298-11e3-a829-00144feabdc0.html#axzz33xx7L9Vu]commercial revenues are growing – up from £63.9m in 2011-12 (a 10-month period) to £97.7m in 2012-13. Five new deals have been announced in recent months, with US fast-food chains Subway and Dunkin’ Donuts, Indonesian airline Garuda, Indian mobile phone company Xolo and Vauxhall.

Another five will be announced over the next season, says Mr Hogan, though he quells talk of Champions League qualification creating a flood of potential new sponsors.

Commercial deals are brokered over many months and long discussions. “It takes a lot of different factors to partner with any property,” Mr Hogan adds.

“We don’t specifically sell around the Champions League. What we are really on about is the strength of Liverpool and the global fan base.”
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I would think the owners of the club would have a pretty good idea of the value of their executives and don't think that their personal presence in the UK is required to verify that. I'm sure they'll have a structure in place (both personnel and technology based) to keep tabs on the performance of their asset. As regards Ayre, he seems quite a personable chap and I'm sure his ability to carry out instructions is closely monitored not least by the transfer committee. I'm sure there's an inquest when we don't land a target with numerous people being in that loop. I doubt we'd retain his services if he was incompetent.
 
So ayre was just brandishing his image in the eyes of players. It was all a ploy to be one of them should he need their services if they become agents etc
 
I don't think Ayre is a bad sort, commercially he's done exceptional work for us, he's just in the wrong job when it comes to transfers. I don't think it's all been his fault, at times his hands have been tied by us not wanting to overpay for some players, but as said, there's no smoke without fire and all that, we've fucked up too many times for it to be a coincidence.

I do think in certain instances, like with Willian and Soldado, we were just priced out of the moves, over what our personal valuations were. I'm not really that arsed that we missed out on both by sticking to a price, because I don't think either of them were worth what's been paid. And I do think people see tenuous links with players and blame the club for missing out/not trying, when there was clearly either a lack of interest or no real viable reason why that player would choose us over, say, one of the London clubs who were in the CL.
 
I don't think Ayre is a bad sort, commercially he's done exceptional work for us, he's just in the wrong job when it comes to transfers. I don't think it's all been his fault, at times his hands have been tied by us not wanting to overpay for some players, but as said, there's no smoke without fire and all that, we've fucked up too many times for it to be a coincidence.

I do think in certain instances, like with Willian and Soldado, we were just priced out of the moves, over what our personal valuations were. I'm not really that arsed that we missed out on both by sticking to a price, because I don't think either of them were worth what's been paid. And I do think people see tenuous links with players and blame the club for missing out/not trying, when there was clearly either a lack of interest or no real viable reason why that player would choose us over, say, one of the London clubs who were in the CL.


Soldado? Do you mean Costa?
 
There were certainly references to that in one or two of the UK papers at the time. How well-founded they were, goodness knows, but it was being talked about.
 
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