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yeah i'm an idiot at this Business Management title stuff , can someone help me .
is he replacing someone ?
how will his role change now as CEO ?
And will we look to put someone into his old job ?
Or is this just job title wank and nothing much will change ?
is he replacing someone ?
how will his role change now as CEO ?
And will we look to put someone into his old job ?
Or is this just job title wank and nothing much will change ?
He will get paid more I guess.
A lot of it depends on the business itself, the organisational setup, size, countriy-specific legalities, but in reality there's little difference between a MD and a CEO.
MD is somewhat more responsible for the day-to-day operational running of the business, whereas a CEO shouldn't get involved in the day-to-day, but really it's mostly semantics.
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ok got you , cheers .
sabermetric semantics .
sabermetric semantics .
Maybe its different here in South Africa, but you rarely find a CEO and and MD at the same company. For me they're essentially the same thing. The CEO / MD is usually the day to day 'leader' of the business and usually reports to the non-exec Chairman or Board of Directors.
From the outside it looks like Ayre has done a great job looking at how are revenue is supposed to have increased, yet people still want to call him hopeless because we've failed to sign players and apparently its his fault the club refuses to pay more than he can offer.
You must know something everybody else doesn't.
Regardless, good negotiators make it work with the resources they have available, and I'm not convinced that Ayre is the man who can make deals happen.
What did I say in that sentence that suggested I knew something that you didn't? Its funny because all the Ayre haters seem to know for a fact that he fucks up any transfer that doesn't materialise, so they're the ones who must know something we don't. The much more likely option is that we couldn't / wouldn't pay what club a or player b wanted, and no amount of negotiating is going to change that.
No matter who's in that position and no matter what they do, people will complain just to complain. You could have Fowler doing it and he'd get shite. Too many soapboxes in this Internet thingy.
Because it's far less likely that we're incredibly stingy than that the people in charge of transfers aren't good enough.
Our changing valuation of Lallana in that transfer saga shows that we're willing to spend money. And in windows we've missed out on targets, we've spent money on other players. So it's not an issue of having stingy owners who won't spend the cash.
The next logical conclusion is that the group of people in charge of transfers aren't doing their job well enough. And the most prominent member of that contingent is Ayre.
If it was a case of us just not stumping up enough cash, there'd be more than a few people bitching about it.
I think Rodgers has to be factored in though. He has/had a finite amount to spend, and needed to bump up the squad. It's like raising in poker when you're shortstacked.
If you think Ayer just decided enough is enough over a few million, you're naive. He has people to answer too, as well as getting several targets on a fixed budget.
If you think Ayer just decided enough is enough over a few million, you're naive. He has people to answer too, as well as getting several targets on a fixed budget.
How is it far less likely? That's just pure speculation, maybe you're the one who knows something we don't. It's well documented that we have our valuations which we don't exceed, Ian Ayre doesn't decide that, the committee does, and even if he is a part of that committee it doesn't make him solely responsible for every fuck up this club does, like far too many fans want to believe. Lets look at the facts, very respectable people who know what going on in the club and the job he performs, who's money it is he's dealing with, continually praise him and promote him, whilst people outside of the club want to pick on him because he's got a gormless face and rides a Harley, that's all there is in this.
He bathes in cheap aftershave
Depends if its Hugo Boss though?
With Ayre, it's more like a bad player raising shortstacked. If he was a good player you'd think he surely knows he doesn't have enough left to see the river, so he doesn't have a drawing hand, so he must be ahead, and you can let go.
But with Ayre, he's just an idiot and when he puts his raise in, you know he's committed, you take a look at his stack, and you think to yourself yep, that's gonna be mine. Re-raise all in.
Ayre.... uhhh duuhhh oh shit, I call. Fuck....
Don't know too much about Ayre (though gkmacca does, and I'll be very interested to see what he adds to this thread) but Parry fully deserved the stick he got. Together with Moores he presided over our slide back into the chasing pack. Among his accomplishments were (a) letting our commercial operations - sponsorship, the club shop, marketing abroad - go to sh!te and (b) taking personal charge of the Academy and giving his son a job there. He did well in the more bureaucratic environment of the Premier League but he was hopelessly misplaced in the cut-and-thrust of top level club football, where his insistence on being involved in everything directly - without having the knowledge or experience on the playing side - was disastrous.
Maybe, I don't remember much about Parrys time, as it was years ago, but he still didn't deserve the hatred he got. However I firmly stand by the fact that this idea that Ayre fucks everything up by an element of our fanbase is completely hogwash.
I don't think moores had the financial clout to compete with the new powerhouses without selling everything he had, and he was conscious that he wanted us to compete so he attempted to flog us to someone he 'believed' had loads of dollar and would bankroll us. He cocked up massively but had admitted as much and was gutted.
If he'd have flogged us to some Arabs we'd be thinking he was boss.
I think moores just fucked up his due diligence on the cunts.
Most of what you say there is fair enough as far as it goes, but there was more to it than that. Moores didn't have the business nous either, and it's no coincidence that our drop from the top followed his taking over from the late and much missed Sir John Smith.
The only thing I'd fully disagree with in your post is the "If he'd have flogged us (etc.)" bit. I'd still have thought Moores was an amiable duffer, a true fan but hopelessly out of his depth as chairman, whose own incompetence was a major reason for our having lost so much ground on the leaders.
The only thing I'd fully disagree with in your post is the "If he'd have flogged us (etc.)" bit. I'd still have thought Moores was an amiable duffer, a true fan but hopelessly out of his depth as chairman, whose own incompetence was a major reason for our having lost so much ground on the leaders.
Personally I don't think Ayre is the sharpest knife in the drawer, he has screwed up too many first choice signings, and I don't believe he has been behind much of the recent commercial success, to my mind that's been Billy Hogan.
I might be wrong, but my thoughts are Ayre is getting "promoted" out of the way a bit, and Hogan will be the one managing and directing.
I might be wrong, but my thoughts are Ayre is getting "promoted" out of the way a bit, and Hogan will be the one managing and directing.
How can you come to that conclusion when none of us know the inner workings of the club? Most of the time when transfers have broken down there's been other mitigating reasons, its not just been "Ayres fucked up again" otherwise he wouldn't still be here, yet alone be getting a promotion.
Never in the field of CEO's was so much guessed by so many about so few.
The bottom line is at the time the players we went for chose to go to champions league clubs or to the money. Now that is changing we have champions league and I am glad we won't be put over a barrel regarding fees and wages. When ayre came in wages was out control. We finally seem to be doing something about it. I really don't get this ayre bashing. We seem to be dealing with transfers a lot better this summer. This has an awful lot to do with having the draw of the champions league.
I don't know, that is why I said "Personally I think". It's an opinion , what a strange concept.
Not all the players have gone to CL clubs, some of them were shit anyway. Look at Konoplyanka , he's still there despite Ayre boring the tits off them for a week in face to face talks. They even said he fucked it up. The reason IN MY OPINION because you are right I don't know, but am old and worldly wise is that we go in too low with our initial bids fuck about for weeks, showing our hand and someone else comes in and offers what we should have done in the first place. If you need to lure players when you don't have CL you have to pay a bit of a premium, that's fairly obvious even when you are not a managing director. I don't have a go at owners, managers, MD's etc it's not my style , I even had some sympathy for Gillett , and always stuck up for Rick Parry ffs, so if I have a go at Ayre it's not without some good reason. Did I mention he seems a bit of a nob too.
I don't think he should be photographed clearly half pissed with ex players on his shoulders , nor do I think it was wise to be riding around on a Harley ( a hired one at that) to impress for a documentary ). Although I am not arsed about the Paul Smith shirt. It's Hogan that's sorted out all the good sponsorship deals, let's be clear on that.
Not all the players have gone to CL clubs, some of them were shit anyway. Look at Konoplyanka , he's still there despite Ayre boring the tits off them for a week in face to face talks. They even said he fucked it up. The reason IN MY OPINION because you are right I don't know, but am old and worldly wise is that we go in too low with our initial bids fuck about for weeks, showing our hand and someone else comes in and offers what we should have done in the first place. If you need to lure players when you don't have CL you have to pay a bit of a premium, that's fairly obvious even when you are not a managing director. I don't have a go at owners, managers, MD's etc it's not my style , I even had some sympathy for Gillett , and always stuck up for Rick Parry ffs, so if I have a go at Ayre it's not without some good reason. Did I mention he seems a bit of a nob too.
I don't think he should be photographed clearly half pissed with ex players on his shoulders , nor do I think it was wise to be riding around on a Harley ( a hired one at that) to impress for a documentary ). Although I am not arsed about the Paul Smith shirt. It's Hogan that's sorted out all the good sponsorship deals, let's be clear on that.
isn't it a bit early to say that yet? I hope you're right.
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