Poll Attitude to FSG....

[moron]

The new manager took over for a legend who was let go in a less than classy way, while the team is struggling because 6 of their star starters are injured and replaced with unknowns. With all that said, they're actually playing much better now and climbing back up the division (they've won the last 5 in a row). I think Henry is a ruthless man, but I think he's a smart one too and looks at his teams as businesses, not the "hobbies" that they are for some millionaires.

thanks for clearing that up - clearly the journo should have mentioned the improvement you mention. Still I am scared, at the moment they are chatting about the liverpool players that have made it to the England squad despite finishing 30+ points away from the top !!! - shit I did not know coming this low in the league could be seen as so bad, must be terrible those Everton fans in previous years gone by.

 

[LarryHagman]

I think they're flying by the seat of their pants, making this up as they go. They just seem to be hiring people, realising they're shit, then firing them and looking for the next batch. I could do that.
I'm a bit concerned as to where we're heading here.

 

[moron]

isn't that what Real Madrid, Barcalona, Juventus, AC Milan, Inter Milan - all the other great teams in Europe have done exactly that when managers fail to meet expectations after one season. Those clubs are on reputation and trophies near to us and I don't think they waited for 20+ years to a league title.

 

[Sunny]

I don't know (and fair points George). It appears FSG are clearing the decks to implement some form of masterplan. I'm hoping they've thought long and hard about it because its absolutely critical they get it right. Chopping and changing staff continually doesn't really fly with me and their failure to land a proper CEO doesn't fill me with confidence either. But. The table is cleared now and is the owners chance to demonstrate what they're made of. We will succeed or fail by their decisions and will either progress or become the new Aston Villa. I'll back whoever they bring in but won't be happy with likes of Martinez. We need a manager who can handle pressure and Liverpool is not Wigan, Swansea or Norwich where expectations are merely survival.

 

[Molbystwin]

Too many people jumping the gun. They appear to have cleared the decks to make way for their own vision. At the minute we don't know what that is but the new appointments will show their hand.

I have to believe that they're taking their investment in the club seriously and winning is a habitual priority. Do whatever it takes.

Trouble is once Chelsea stop tinkering and buy themselves the new team, which will be soon, with city set to go out and buy big yet again but this time with bigger fish to fry and with Man U always finishing top 4..... that leaves us in a dogfight to get te last champs league spot year in year out.

Our competitors are Arsenal and Spurs and Newcastle maybe...

The big words about 3 year plans and winning is in our blood etc etc...Man City had a three year plan.... 450M in signings alone...et voila Champions. The rest is basically tinkering IMO, Chelsea did it before them 8 years ago...

I dont respect the decision they made regarding Kenny, I'm not saying he didnt deserve the bullet because he probably did I'm just sure that they should have given him the one more year to get it right. At least the club wouldnt have tarnished itself in such a base way.

I do not agree that we are a shit team at all nor do i think the squad is a "shit" squad, basically every single thing that could have gone wrong for us this season did so...and we could challenge to get back into the top 4 next season... but all told I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that we will ever win the league under these owners, none.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Dalglish - Reds need unity

American owners doing the best they can, says Liverpool legend

• Dalglish - Reds need unityAmerican owners doing the best they can, says Liverpool legend

Kenny Dalglish: Realises Liverpool owners had their reasons for his dismissal

Kenny Dalglish has urged Liverpool supporters to get behind American owners Fenway Sports Group.
The Scot, 61, was sacked as Reds manager on Wednesday after owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner decided the Merseyside giants needed a fresh approach following a disappointing campaign.
Liverpool finished eighth with their lowest Premier League points tally of 52, although Dalglish did guide them to Carling Cup glory and an FA Cup final appearance.
Domestic cup success was not enough for Fenway though, with Werner insisting a change of manager was needed as they aim to restore the glory days at Anfield.
But many Reds fans are unhappy with club legend Dalglish's departure and believe he should have been given more time to turn around their fortunes.
Great

"Liverpool is still a great football club, still a club that should believe in whoever is going to come in after myself."
Kenny Dalglish Quotes of the week
"I would hope nobody would prejudge things now," said Dalglish. "The owners have their own reasons for doing what they have done.
"They came in to help the club at a time when it wasn't in a great condition. They have improved it, taken it forward and are doing the best they can.
"Liverpool is still a great football club, still a club that should believe in whoever is going to come in after myself.
"The supporters, not just for myself but for everyone else, have always been fantastically supportive of the team and that should not change."
Criticism has also been levelled at Dalglish about the quality of players signed in a £130m spending spree since his appointment in January 2011.
But he has defended his transfer record, which included the big-money transfers of Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Jordan Henderson.
Foundation

"You cannot underestimate the pressure that is on a boy who comes to play for Liverpool," Dalglish told the Liverpool Echo.
"But in the first year, what they have done has been a credit.
"There is now a great foundation to build on and to move forward with.
"Taking aside the decision made about myself, for four players to be in Roy Hodgson's England squad for Euro 2012 and for Jordan Henderson to be on standby as well is a great credit to the players.
"It's fantastic for the club and those players - and I hope they go on and represent everybody well."

 

[RolandG]

Trouble is once Chelsea stop tinkering and buy themselves the new team, which will be soon, with city set to go out and buy big yet again but this time with bigger fish to fry and with Man U always finishing top 4..... that leaves us in a dogfight to get te last champs league spot year in year out.

Our competitors are Arsenal and Spurs and Newcastle maybe...

The big words about 3 year plans and winning is in our blood etc etc...Man City had a three year plan.... 450M in signings alone...et voila Champions. The rest is basically tinkering IMO, Chelsea did it before them 8 years ago...

I dont respect the decision they made regarding Kenny, I'm not saying he didnt deserve the bullet because he probably did I'm just sure that they should have given him the one more year to get it right. At least the club wouldnt have tarnished itself in such a base way.

I do not agree that we are a shit team at all nor do i think the squad is a "shit" squad, basically every single thing that could have gone wrong for us this season did so...and we could challenge to get back into the top 4 next season... but all told I have absolutely no faith whatsoever that we will ever win the league under these owners, none.

I thought that the difference between Kenny staying and getting the boot was the FA Cup defeat. That we comprehensively drubbed the Chavs at home in the next game didn't help him much. It showed the schizophrenic nature of our team. Forget our transfer flops, if half the chances that hit the post and crossbar went in this season, we would have made the top 4. Kenny ran out of luck and at times ideas too. I thought that he may step down at the end of the season because we were dismal in the league. The one thing you can always count on is that King Kenny will always put the club first.


A new stadium is certainly hampering our progress. That needs to be a priority if we want to compete financially. In the end, it always comes down to money.

 

[keniget]

Vlad is on the money.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Look at how Kenny responds ... He lives and breathes this club. I hope they find a role (not managerial - just something) for him in the future. This shouldn't be his goodbye.

 

[Piedro]

Vlad is on the money.

Yep, its the best post ive read on here in the past few days.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Yep, its the best post ive read on here in the past few days.

To be honest, your posts last night were much better (if you remember them)

 

[Piedro]

To be honest, your posts last night were much better (if you remember them)

I wasnt drunk last night Wiz!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

That snippet I posted last night about Standard Charter having £75m on the table for stadium naming rights was incorrect. It was actually £150m. Figures verified by two separate people. The Suarez incident cost us big time and no wonder heads rolled.

 

[Delinquent]

Yep, its the best post ive read on here in the past few days.

That's a back-handed compliment if ever I heard one.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

That's a back-handed compliment if ever I heard one.

Eh, cut that out

 

[Delinquent]

 

[Vlads Quiff]

That's better - it was just a compliment

 

[Wizardry]

My opinion has certainly changed of them, but strangely not because of what has happened at LFC

I was happy at the beginning because they were changing the structure of the club and I felt we'd get less stupid about what we've been doing. We haven't, Commoli was clearly a bad hire. Thankfully they removed him quickly, Kenny is neither here nor there for me. If Suarez and Carroll had been good in front of goal this season he'd be still in a job. He didn't do a particularly good job but then again I felt we had a chance to win pretty much every game we played and if the manager can give the team that then I think he's doing alright. There's not a whole lot he can influence once they're out there.

I think the next DOF and manager have got a completely shitty job. If the wage bill is sitting at 70% of turnover and we're still making losses there's only one thing coming. We're sitting where Newcastle were when Ashley took over, but not quite so bad. We're shit and we're expensive, the worst of both worlds. This squad is going to have to be dismantled and rebuilt, keeping young players, getting rid of and or seeing out of expensive contracts. Basically all the waste needs to be removed. It built up during Rafa's reign, worsened during Hodgson's, and certainly hasn't improved since Comolli and Kenny got here. We've been badly run for years, not just by those managers but the people above having unrealistic short term goals.

With FSG - everything has gone wrong with the Red Sox, since they last won a World Series their GM consistently made the wrong decisions. Leaving them in a similar hole to us: A huge wage bill filled with ageing expensive stars on the wane + numerous expensive failed signings. They cleared house at the end of last season, completely blackening the name of their brilliant manager in the process to smooth over fan opposition and allowing their GM to walk away when he got another offer. Neither Epstein nor Francona went to the 100 year anniversary recently, despite them being the only people to bring success to the club for decades. The new GM had fuck all room to work with but got most of his calls wrong and the new manager is roundly ridiculed for being a complete disaster both on and off the field. Basically FSG fucked up massively with the Red Sox recently.

I wonder if they'll do the same with us.

There's a fundamental flaw in the first two paragraphs of this Rosco.

I'd certainly agree with the assesment on FSG at the Red Sox though that kind of thing can happen; I'm sure you and plenty of others on here have seen it happen in other work places. It's extremely difficult to correct an ailing ship while still attempting to keep it on course. Most business leaders I know would agree that a project which has started badly and is going badly is incredibly difficult to get back on track. The theory of strategic change is much easier than the implementation of that theory; implementation is difficult at the best of times but trying to do it on the run is as hard as it gets. That's what FSG tried to do, IMO, at the Sox.


As far as we're concerned the problem is the wage bill and the lack of funds, therefore, to move forward. The easy - and standard - approach is to try and manage costs, cut the outgoings where possible and give yourself some breathing space. The correct approach is to recognize that when costs are too high it's as much an indightment on the revenue as the costs. Us declaring that we need to get our wages to 50% or less of turnover - the same as the mancs etc - would condemn us to second tier. The issue is that the mancs turnover is so much greater than ours that the 50% wages approach permits them to compete for great players.

Obviously you have to manage costs correctly; you don't give money away for players or staff who aren't contributing. But if you can't afford a player who will bring you success then that's not because they're too expensive - it's because your turnover isn't enough. That's our fundamental problem and I'm sure is the focus that FSG have; manage the costs realistically but the top line is where we're failing and I'm sure they know it.

 

[Insignificance]

That snippet I posted last night about Standard Charter having £75m on the table for stadium naming rights was incorrect. It was actually £150m. Figures verified by two separate people. The Suarez incident cost us big time and no wonder heads rolled.

So what you basicly are saying that we should leave our principles and not back him as their are money on the table somewhere? If they pulled out because of who we are they should probably not have put the money on the table in the first place.

 

[spider-Neil]

That snippet I posted last night about Standard Charter having £75m on the table for stadium naming rights was incorrect. It was actually £150m. Figures verified by two separate people. The Suarez incident cost us big time and no wonder heads rolled.

hopefully it will be back on the table when all the shit has blown over (which it pretty much already has).

 

[tony]

hopefully it will be back on the table when all the shit has blown over (which it pretty much already has).

I seroiusly doubt it - institutional investors recently questioned the shareholders value in the shirt sponsorship deal and the ceo got ALOT of flack - nothing at all to do with the Suarez affair.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

So what you basicly are saying that we should leave our principles and not back him as their are money on the table somewhere? If they pulled out because of who we are they should probably not have put the money on the table in the first place.

I'm not saying anything or voicing my opinion, just passing on what I heard.

 

[peterhague]

There's a fundamental flaw in the first two paragraphs of this Rosco.

I'd certainly agree with the assesment on FSG at the Red Sox though that kind of thing can happen; I'm sure you and plenty of others on here have seen it happen in other work places. It's extremely difficult to correct an ailing ship while still attempting to keep it on course. Most business leaders I know would agree that a project which has started badly and is going badly is incredibly difficult to get back on track. The theory of strategic change is much easier than the implementation of that theory; implementation is difficult at the best of times but trying to do it on the run is as hard as it gets. That's what FSG tried to do, IMO, at the Sox.


As far as we're concerned the problem is the wage bill and the lack of funds, therefore, to move forward. The easy - and standard - approach is to try and manage costs, cut the outgoings where possible and give yourself some breathing space. The correct approach is to recognize that when costs are too high it's as much an indightment on the revenue as the costs. Us declaring that we need to get our wages to 50% or less of turnover - the same as the mancs etc - would condemn us to second tier. The issue is that the mancs turnover is so much greater than ours that the 50% wages approach permits them to compete for great players.

Obviously you have to manage costs correctly; you don't give money away for players or staff who aren't contributing. But if you can't afford a player who will bring you success then that's not because they're too expensive - it's because your turnover isn't enough. That's our fundamental problem and I'm sure is the focus that FSG have; manage the costs realistically but the top line is where we're failing and I'm sure they know it.

That's a really interesting read, chock full of coruscating insights and entirely free from stultifying management-bilge. 🙂

 

[Tal]

That's a really interesting read, chock full of coruscating insights and entirely free from stultifying management-bilge. 🙂

Easily translated though. into;

Sell Suarez to please Standard Chartered and the naming rights deal is back on.
Build the stadium.
Have the revenue to compete.

Me for Comms Director, I think.

 

[Frogfish]

I agree. I don't like what they have done at all, but they must have some kind of plan. Whether that plan is any better remains to be seen.

This.

They've got history, they take positive action when the decision has been made, they are a no bollocks team. I might not agree with the KK sacking but you can't fault them for inaction, the downfall of many.

 

[El Pistolero]

Looks like anfield is gonna be redeveloped. Not sure how thats gonna work or if there gonna rename it.

 

[SummerOnions]

Looks like anfield is gonna be redeveloped. Not sure how thats gonna work or if there gonna rename it.

Good news maybe. At least they've decided on something.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Looks like anfield is gonna be redeveloped. Not sure how thats gonna work or if there gonna rename it.

There's some people who spend way more time than is healthy on this who claim it's simply impossible due to 'right to light' claims from residents. No idea if this is true though.

 

[Insignificance]

Looks like anfield is gonna be redeveloped. Not sure how thats gonna work or if there gonna rename it.

Hmmm they way they acted I was sure Anfield got fired last week......

 

[Leo]

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