Poll Attitude to FSG....

[Vlads Quiff]

I think they are being underestimated.
There is a plan and probably pretty well advanced, we shall see.
I also believe that had we won the FA cup it would have papered over the cavernous cracks, and FSG would have been almost obliged to give Kenny another 12,months.

I also believe they gave Kenny the opportunity to resign and or move upstairs when he went to the 'states.

 

[gkmacca]

There's more rational basis to think Hodgson knows what he's fucking doing.

 

[gkmacca]

If there's a plan Vlad then what the fuck is it? Is this some Catholic thing? Will it materialise if we pray for a while??

 

[Farkmaster]

There's no reason to decide that they are clueless simply because they are clearing out people after having enough time to really see how the organization works.

I'm just wondering where fucking up hiring a smooth talking bullshitter and wasting millions of millions of pounds fits in to the longer term plan.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

If there's a plan Vlad then what the fuck is it? Is this some Catholic thing? Will it materialise if we pray for a while??

I don't know what the fuck it is old lad, they may be ruthless but they are not thick, rest assured there is a plan, and one that was no doubt in place when they first asked Kenny for a written report.
I think one major thing is being overlooked here and Kenny must have agreed to it. JH said at the start of the season fourth place was the minimum requirement, not a Carling Cup and a poor 8th place. Love the guy, but he fell well short and time is not on our side.
Although praying won't do any harm
Regards

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[OLD_Lewy]

do FSG have anyone that knows about football to advise them on these decisions? i thought thats why camolli was originally brought in

 

[gene hughes]

Oh my god who's flying the plane!!???

 

[Sunny]

do FSG have anyone that knows about football to advise them on these decisions? i thought thats why camolli was originally brought in

Some clown. And David Dein. Allegedly,

 

[gene hughes]

relax everyone, the club is being run by otto!!

 

[Tinto]

Some clown. And David Dein. Allegedly,

Coco?

 

[Sunny]

Coco?

The penny drops !

 

[Sunny]

Why do you think Rafa will never come back under FSG ?

 

[gkmacca]

Whoever comes back may as well be working for a fucking monkey.

 

[Sunny]

I don't know what the fuck it is old lad, they may be ruthless but they are not thick, rest assured there is a plan, and one that was no doubt in place when they first asked Kenny for a written report.
I think one major thing is being overlooked here and Kenny must have agreed to it. JH said at the start of the season fourth place was the minimum requirement, not a Carling Cup and a poor 8th place. Love the guy, but he fell well short and time is not on our side.
Although praying won't do any harm
Regards

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And what will be the target for the new manager. Shall we let him go as well after a full season if he doesn't succeed. Half a bad season and you're fucked it seems these days.

 

[gkmacca]

And what will be the target for the new manager. Shall we let him go as well after a full season if he doesn't succeed. Half a bad season and you're fucked it seems these days.

Exactly. They haven't a clue what they're doing.

 

[gene hughes]

Whether you agree with the decision or not, and I'm just bullshitting here, but I reckon the decision wasn't just made on the basis of our league position so I actually don't think the new guy will have to finish fourth every year to keep his job.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

Whether you agree with the decision or not, and I'm just bullshitting here, but I reckon the decision wasn't just made on the basis of our league position so I actually don't think the new guy will have to finish fourth every year to keep his job.

i agree, i think the owners would have kept dalglish if they thought they could see more of a progression

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I agree with Gene.

 

[Insignificance]

do FSG have anyone that knows about football to advise them on these decisions? i thought thats why camolli was originally brought in

Well that would prove they know fuck all about football wouldn't it?

 

[Woland]

You don't have to know much about football to see that our expensive transfers made us worse. It's not like we came fifth and just missed out. We were fucking shit and getting worse as the season went on.

 

[moron]

I don't think that's true, it's certainly not proven either way yet Sunny. I loved Kenny and still believe and maintain that he deserved another year, but their massive clearout is also particularly brave, they're clearly unhappy with how things have been run, and there's plenty of evidence to back that stance commercially, publicly and in terms of on the pitch. We've been a disaster in many respects for far too long. And I don't blame Kenny for that, or Hodge Podge really, the rot had already set in long before, through years of taking one step forward and two steps back. We've been our own worst enemies at times over the last two decades. While this might end up just being a continuation of that, it could also be a case of someone showing some balls and dragging us forward, starting afresh and looking for a new approach with a view to edging back closer to where we where.

I'm gutted today, but I think they've made some brave decisions and one can only hope right now.

Hi everyone - I did not want them to make that decision BUT they have and its very gutsy and the poster that said - their too use to success, well thats bloody good. However, we need to look at ourselves and what our club is all about, and really our club before we went on this empty non title winning 20 years is about winning the leauge as a MINIMUM requirement. The trophies we have won in our history suggests that the way we deal with management should be the same way that our continental equals deal with their management setup. Can you imagine the managers bought in by Real Madrid, Barcalona, AC Milan, Juventus saying they have a five year plan to win the league ? - F*CK that you become manager of these clubs with an expectation of winning the league title year in year out regardless of your squads strenghts and weaknesses. I think as supporters we have shown too much patience towards the likes of GH, Rafa etc.. - get rid as soon as it appears that they are not going to win us the league.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

And what will be the target for the new manager. Shall we let him go as well after a full season if he doesn't succeed. Half a bad season and you're fucked it seems these days.

Well, you are in a fairly competitive industry Sunny and a bit of a high flyer, what happens in your place if senior Management are given a specific minimum requirement target that is agreed to and you fail to deliver - do not get close too? This season was a disaster and it promised so much.
I was treated like a fucking idiot when I kept saying fourth place is a realistic but pretty stretching target, and if we did that it was the best we could expect - there were loads, and I mean loads suggesting we were actually going to win it, such was the level of expectation.
I am not going to be a classless twat and go and dig all the old posts out like one or two have a penchant for, but everyone knows it.
I think they could have cut him some slack had we won the FA cup, or even finished a close 5th but we didn't so 8th place (8th only on goal difference to fucking Fulham) with the Mickey Mouse Cup is a disaster and we all know it.
Look at the stats that cake tumbling down, worst season since we were demoted in 1954, worst run for 59 years, first time Fulham have ever won at Anfiled, first time in 45 years West Brom have, Liverpool have scored 20 goals in 18 home matches, fewest number of goals at home since 1903/04 season. As one can see what really helps caps it is the home form, you have to keep the paying punters happy, and his performance with the press and continually insisting the players played well when we are sitting there like mugs with all the crap in the division outplaying us at home.
We were 37 points off the top and 16 point of the bottom three, that by any standards is a poor season, regardless of who or who is not in charge, its not like Kenny had a couple of good seasons and had a blip, we just don't know what might have happened next season but on current form it might not have been great. I do happen to think some of the players that did not perform well this season will show a big improvement, I think this squad is better than we have seen so am fairly optimistic.
Who knows what the expectations on the new manager will be, all we can ask for is improvement and be seen to be heading in the right direction. We have to have high expectations or we will become what we are in grave danger of becoming a mid-table club, still that does not matter because we have our history - wrong.

 

[moron]

Very good post Vlads - you have stated the actual 'FACTS' of the season.

Also after winning the carling cup - I kind of remember that we were still in with a chance of getting a top 4 finish and Arsenal were not that far away from us in the leauge. Look at them now ... they finish at number 3 and we finish at number 8.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Very good post Vlads - you have stated the actual 'FACTS' of the season.

It gives me no pleasure Moron, Kenny Dalglish was the most gifted and best professional I have ever seen, I worshipped him and the ground he trod on as a player, he personifies the word Legend to me, and we should not have been allowed to tarnish that by creating this position it was madness, no one and I mean no one is sadder than me that he failed, but he has and we have to accept that, and I firmly believe giving more time after such a failure would have made matters worse as regards relationships.
That is the very reason I did not want him as full time manager, I thought he might struggle but more, much more than that I knew this very scenario would come up. Myself and Portly argued long and hard against it with thye likes of Brendan when people were clamouring before Hodgson arrived.

regards

 

[Y1]

We shall know after they appointed the new Management team and authorize the transfer budget

 

[Vlads Quiff]

The poll could be misinterpreted - the first question, No I always knew they were like this could be seen as either a positive or negative.
I always knew they were like this as being hard nosed businessmen, others mike take it that Yes I always knew they were a gang of bastards/
regards

 

[Vlads Quiff]

We are going on about the owners not supporting the manager, what about us not supporting the owners.
Just think back to those court cases and Hicks and Gillettt trying every trick in the book, then FSG coming out triumphant, I have never been so happy at a result, and apart from one or two who always like to think different so was everyone else.
Now at the first difficult decision people are questioning them, their motives and integrity, we really do need to cut them some slack

 

[moron]

Vlad - just listening to TalkSport and they had this american guy on sports Journo and he was talking about Henry - he is ruthless man, but I don't know about his decision making coz the new manager he has appointed has just taken that american team he owns to the bottom of the division over there.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

and the last manager here did almost the same 😉

 

[surly]

Vlad - just listening to TalkSport and they had this american guy on sports Journo and he was talking about Henry - he is ruthless man, but I don't know about his decision making coz the new manager he has appointed has just taken that american team he owns to the bottom of the division over there.

The new manager took over for a legend who was let go in a less than classy way, while the team is struggling because 6 of their star starters are injured and replaced with unknowns. With all that said, they're actually playing much better now and climbing back in the division (they've won the last 5 in a row). I think Henry is a ruthless man, but I think he's a smart one too and looks at his teams as businesses, not the "hobbies" that they are for some millionaires.