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Arsenal v Liverpool, Saturday 20th August

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Though Henderson was quite good today. Keeps it going and is always on the move. A 90% pass completion is also extremely good. Needs a bit more confidence in the final third. Young and still learning though.
 
I thought id better show my face in here so im not accused of hiding ;D Wasn't able to see the game and i'll probably avoid all highlights of it for the next day or two. With the 2 starting elevens yours was much much stronger so it was hard to see past anything but an away win. I was hoping we could grind something out but it wasn't to be. Hopefully we'll assemble a decent squad together (doubtful) and have a better go at Anfield!
 
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I thought id better show my face in here so im not accused of hiding ;D Wasn't able to see the game and i'll probably avoid all highlights of it for the next day or two. With the 2 starting elevens yours was much much stronger so it was hard to see past anything but an away win. I was hoping we could grind something out but it wasn't to be. Hopefully we'll assemble a decent squad together (doubtful) and have a better go at Anfield!
[/quote]There was nothing in it mate. We played well for the first 30 then you took over and it was all day a 0-0 until Frimpong got carded. Missing Song, Rosicky, Wilshere, Gervinho and Gibbs it was hardly a suprise you werent rampant. I would think there isnt that much wrong with your side that the press would have you believe. I thought the Frimpong lad was good but maybe a bit too young to be thrown in yet. You need a sensible head to play in behind Ramsay and Wilshere and a LB and thats about it really. If you had the money back up for Van Persie.
Hope you have a good season mate, i like Arsenal and their values and hope it works itself out.
 
PS-I can sort you out a Poulsen and an N'gog quite cheap? I'll throw you in a Mongy Joe.
 
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I thought id better show my face in here so im not accused of hiding ;D Wasn't able to see the game and i'll probably avoid all highlights of it for the next day or two. With the 2 starting elevens yours was much much stronger so it was hard to see past anything but an away win. I was hoping we could grind something out but it wasn't to be. Hopefully we'll assemble a decent squad together (doubtful) and have a better go at Anfield!
[/quote]There was nothing in it mate. We played well for the first 30 then you took over and it was all day a 0-0 until Frimpong got carded. Missing Song, Rosicky, Wilshere, Gervinho and Gibbs it was hardly a suprise you werent rampant. I would think there isnt that much wrong with your side that the press would have you believe. I thought the Frimpong lad was good but maybe a bit too young to be thrown in yet. You need a sensible head to play in behind Ramsay and Wilshere and a LB and thats about it really. If you had the money back up for Van Persie.
Hope you have a good season mate, i like Arsenal and their values and hope it works itself out.
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It's good to hear that about Frimpong. Heard lots of good things from Arsenal fans about him today, despite the red card which seems to be deserved. Wont be the first of his career im sure.

Mate the way things are at the minute id near have Poulsen on a loan we're struggling for a team to field at Old Trafford next week!! 🙁
 
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I thought id better show my face in here so im not accused of hiding ;D Wasn't able to see the game and i'll probably avoid all highlights of it for the next day or two. With the 2 starting elevens yours was much much stronger so it was hard to see past anything but an away win. I was hoping we could grind something out but it wasn't to be. Hopefully we'll assemble a decent squad together (doubtful) and have a better go at Anfield!
[/quote]There was nothing in it mate. We played well for the first 30 then you took over and it was all day a 0-0 until Frimpong got carded. Missing Song, Rosicky, Wilshere, Gervinho and Gibbs it was hardly a suprise you werent rampant. I would think there isnt that much wrong with your side that the press would have you believe. I thought the Frimpong lad was good but maybe a bit too young to be thrown in yet. You need a sensible head to play in behind Ramsay and Wilshere and a LB and thats about it really. If you had the money back up for Van Persie.
Hope you have a good season mate, i like Arsenal and their values and hope it works itself out.
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It's good to hear that about Frimpong. Heard lots of good things from Arsenal fans about him today, despite the red card which seems to be deserved. Wont be the first of his career im sure.

Mate the way things are at the minute id near have Poulsen on a loan we're struggling for a team to field at Old Trafford next week!! 🙁
[/quote]Oh it was deffo deserved mate, shocker really (although not as bad as Bardsley at Sunderland) hopefully you will get Wilshere and Koscielny and Gibbs back for the mancs game. I hope you fucking maul them.
 
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Kenny in celebration
 
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You do realise the statement "his bad patches last forever" doesn't actually make sense ?

My point was that the notion that he should never play for us again is hysterical, wrong and shit.
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Can you or someone please justify to me why dirt kuyt should be starting or playing for liverpool this season especially on his last 2 performances?

He is disgraceful watching him playing with quality players highlights even more so his lack of quality & impact he has on the team & we shouldn't settle for players like him anymore seeing tho we now have money to go out and buy good players,so sooner KD gets rid of him the better. One of the reasons why we've found ourselves in these positions in the last couple of seasons finishing 6th & 7th is because of players like him that have no quality.

Can the kuyt fan club stop complaining about our future results that don't go our way on these forums cause if yous are gonna keep on calling for him to be in the team you shouldn't be expecting anything better from him that you've seen in his last two performances.
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Dirk Kuyt is an average player; but he's been instrumental in many great team performances and there've been many instances where he's been the ONLY player on the pitch worth anything.

You're right though; Kuyt is probably one reason why we've come 6th or 7th in past seasons; it's because he stopped us coming 10th.

With good players coming in Kuyt will be benched more often (as he should have been sometimes in past seasons), and the main reason he wasnt in the past is because we rarely had better back-ups. He's been a great servant to this club
 
Kuyt has been a good servant of the club in the fact that he gives his all and is a good proffessional, but that does not change the fact that he is not a right winger and we really need someone alot better there if we are to continue to progress. It's nothing against Kuyt he gets picked every week and tries his best but unfortunately his best is not good enough. This Floyd bloke is very blunt and we Liverpool supporters are very loyal when it comes to players who are honest and repect the club but if we are just talking about footballing ability he is not too far off the truth, and if we continue to have players of his quality in the starting line up we will not get where we want to be.
 
Kuy is an average player with great heart who gives 100% every time. Its easy to fault him when he has a stinker but let's not forget how often he contributes to the goals.

Many calling for him to be a bench playerbut honestly, we hardly have better options down the right. We may have a case for it if we bring in a right sided midfield specialist.

Henderson had a better game but unfortunately, his fee isn't yet justified. Shelvey is better and more effectie through the middle. Adam is still finding his range and will end up a bench option with the return of Gerrard. Enrique and Downing have made a seamless transition are are every bit the quality that the team needs. They are keeping the critics and doudters quiet. Suddenly the return of Magic and Gerrard transforms our attacking options in the team.

The future is RED. March on REDMEN!
 
Where the game was won | Liverpool FC Vs Arsenal
AUGUST 21, 2011 8:15 PM AI TEAM 2 COMMENTS 574 VIEWS
For the first time in eleven years Liverpool FC recorded a victory away at Arsenal, whether that be at the Emirates or Highbury. It was the first time ever that Liverpool had won at the Emirates so it was a very sweet moment regardless of quality of side that they were pitted against.

It was widely recognised that this was Liverpool FC’s best chance at gaining this victory and this was proved correct with Arsenal looking a shadow of the side that possessed an excellent passing game. The fact that Liverpool FC had more possession, the only side to do so on two occasions now in the last eighteen months, shows that this was not the Arsenal that many have come to admire. Their passing game wasn’t at the same level and they didn’t carry that level of threat that they had in the past.

Arsenal were hamstrung (pardon the pun) with injuries and suspensions to many of their first team squad which meant Liverpool FC actually went into the game as slight favourites.

As news filtered through about the starting line ups there was a sudden surge of tweets on twitter about Samir Nasri, had he finally left? Nope, he was starting for Arsenal, was this a sign of desperation from Arsene Wenger? Or has Nasri’s move to mega bucks City really hit the rocks?

So what happened? Well everything that could go wrong for Arsenal, did (in addition to losing their captain, on the verge of losing one of their better players and losing half a team to injury and suspensions). We, as Liverpool fans, have experienced this ourselves over the last few years so can sympathise, however it’s a competitive sport and you have to beat what is put infront of you which is exactly what Liverpool did.

There were two areas in which we the game was won for Liverpool. The fullbacks and the central midfield was key for us. So here’s a few of the key moments from our fullbacks:

In the first few minutes Enrique held off Walcott and really stamped his authority on that battle.
Enrique next involved at 19 minutes where he put in a pinpoint cross for Carroll only for Szczesny to parry away for a corner.
At 22 minutes, again Enrique was the catalyst for a chance as he chipped the ball over Jenkinson for Kuyt to rampage down and put a lovely cross for Henderson to head at the Arsenal keeper.
At 53 minutes, Martin Kelly started a move at the right back position and charged forward. His pass went to Kuyt who overran his first touch but was able to win the ball to Henderson who played in Charlie Adam. Adam played a beautiful disguised ball, which fooled Carroll too as he was not ready for it. Carroll eventually got to the ball and placed it back onto a marauding Kelly who hit the post with a powerful right foot shot. An example of what may be to come this season from Martin Kelly with him improving his offensive play, as there are no questions about his defensive displays.
In our opinion Kelly and Enrique were the key yesterday and both were excellent against their opponents. Enrique kept Walcott in his pocket and Kelly rendered Arshavin, pretty much, useless. The two players that have been thorns in Liverpool’s side in the past were kept very, very, quiet and I believe that was because of the fullbacks. The fullbacks were as strong as I have seen in quite a while at Liverpool FC. Let’s have a look at their heat maps via Guardian Chalkboards.


Martin Kelly Heat Map Vs Arsenal
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Jose Enrique Heat Map Vs Arsenal
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Looking at the Heat Maps give you a clear indication of where our full backs made their passes. 64% of Kelly’s passes originated or were in Arsenal’s half whilst 46% of Enrique’s passes were in Arsenal’s half. That’s quite impressive and really countered their wingers. We saw times where Enrique was whipping in crosses or overlapping Downing, whilst on the other side of the pitch Martin Kelly got forward far enough to hit the post. It’s all looking good in a position that we were really worried about last season and if Martin Kelly is called up for the England squad it would be a boost to his confidence which will only benefit him.

Let’s take a look at Arsenal’s wingers. In the first half Walcott was totally absent, a few followers were sending tweets that they didn’t even know he was on the pitch. Such was his absence. Take a look at the chalkboard for the first half. Not very good viewing at all if you’re an Arsenal fan.


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Theo's first half passing

Two passes and two crosses there meaning four passes in total with only 50% of them reaching their intended recipient. A shocking first half really and it shows that his teammates did not find him in space nor could they get the ball to him. The midfield and full backs did their job and didn’t allow Walcott into the game at all.

Also if we look at the stats for Andrey Arshavin you can see that he completed 11/18 passes in the final third (61%), which is quite a poor number. A lot of Arsenal fans will put this down to the fact that he’s out of form but we’d like to credit our young defender Martin Kelly for really pressurising him and not giving him enough space to make any progress down Arsenal’s left.

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Arshavin in the Final Third Vs Liverpool FC


The other two players that we thought had interesting games were Charlie Adam and Lucas Leiva. Adam’s pass completion was up from last weeks 75% and he registered an 81% pass completion against Arsenal. The chalkboard below shows the range of passing from Adam.

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Adam's passing Vs Arsenal

Let’s break some of Adam’s passes down as Charlie once again made the most passes in the game for Liverpool FC. A trend I believe will continue as he sits in the middle and dictates play.

Through Balls

Adam played two through balls and both were accurate. One of them was a brilliant pass, slicing Arsenal’s right side apart, to send Downing through who forced a save from the Arsenal keeper in the second half.

Chipped Passes

Liverpool’s newest playmaker also made four chipped passes of which only one was successful (25%).

Long Balls

Out of his five long balls attempted two were on the money equating to a 40% success rate for his long balls.

Long Passes (from defence to attack)

Adam attempted six long passes from defence and four of these were successful giving an accuracy of 67%. Another sign that he’s going to be taking the role of Alonso in the Liverpool team.

I also believe that Adam compliments Lucas and gives him more support in the battling stats. We’ve compiled the stats below.

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As you can see Lucas and Adam combined to put in 55% of the whole team’s tackles. They also made a combined 41% of the team’s interceptions. Together they made 31% of the side’s ground duels (50-50 challenges). An amazing set of statistics and it shows that these two could become an excellent central midfield partnership. Adam can add the creativity that was missing last season when Lucas and Spearing were playing however he also adds in excellent tackling skills. Adam has made eight tackles so far this season and has won every single one of them. He’s not really known for his tackling but we really hope this will point out to everyone that he has this in his locker.

There is no doubt that the sending off had a major impact on this game. It really looked like it was going to be scoreless draw as both teams weren’t really threatening each other too much and it was a stalemate with two players really playing their heart out for Arsenal; Frimpong & Vermaelen. Once Frimpong was given his marching orders and Liverpool sent on Meireles and Suarez, Arsenal were in real trouble.

Instantly the ball was zipping around the midfield. This is where Henderson and Adam come in as they fit into a fast passing game. If you watch Jordan Henderson closely, his one-touch passing is sublime. If you haven’t noticed, please keep an eye on it and you’ll see what I mean. With Suarez passing and moving and Meireles obliging with the accurate passes back the inevitable happened, and in a manner that Arsenal fans would want to forget – a horrible own goal off of a very tired look Ramsey.

The second though was not a fluke. The chalkboard below shows the passing move that Liverpool FC put together before it the ball eventually ended up in the net.
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Pass & Move for Goal number 2!
Nine passes in this move which started from a throw in from Suarez to Meireles and finished with Meireles passing back to Suarez to tap it in. One thing we can definitely see is that when Meireles and Suarez are in the same team the football played is totally different. Go back to March last year when Liverpool hosted United at Anfield and these two were once again instrumental against the eventual Champions and really made them look like chumps that day.

If we look past the weakest Arsenal side we’ve played in years, the loss of their Captain, the sending off and the injuries I believe the game was won in the central midfield and full back areas. As the saying goes, you can only beat what’s put in front of you and Liverpool FC did exactly that.
 
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Jeez, can someone summarise that? Or at least binnify the important bits?
[/quote]Why don't you do it ya lazy fecker 😉

edit: I thought that some of the more cerebral posters may appreciate the analysis of yesterdays game and wouldn't be daunted by a piece that takes five minutes to read, hence why I posted it
 
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Jeez, can someone summarise that? Or at least binnify the important bits?
[/quote]Why don't you do it ya lazy fecker 😉
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Cos I'm a lazy fecker ;D
 
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Jeez, can someone summarise that? Or at least binnify the important bits?
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Players good!
Score goals!
Goals good!
 
It does point to lucas and adam being a potentially brilliant partnership. Against arsenal they did 55% of the whole teams tackles. Not bad.

It also says our fullbacks were boss. Seriously.....the picture of walcotts passes in the first half....fuck me....Enrique completely took him out the game whilst being a threat in his own right.

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I'm tempted to change my MOTM to him based on that
 
Adam and Lucas will face sterner tests than the Arse managed to provide for them. I'm reserving judgment until I see how things go then. Fair play to them for yesterday though - they got the job done.

Enrique was my MOTM anyway. He's certainly started with a bang.
 
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Adam and Lucas will face sterner tests than the Arse managed to provide for them. I'm reserving judgment until I see how things go then. Fair play to them for yesterday though - they got the job done.

Enrique was my MOTM anyway. He's certainly started with a bang.
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True, but it certainly was a test for the new CM pairing, nasri is hard to cope with at the best of times and frimpong looked fucking deranged. I think things will only improve as they get on each others wavelengths
 
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