Andy Caroll's "Fitness"
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He looks ponderous. More worryingly, he doesn't suit our style of play. At. All.
I ws never in the 'Carroll is a great signing' camp nor was I completely against him but :
Pros
Dominates the air at both ends of the pitch
Helluva shot (when on target)
Ensures opposing teams CBs are pre-occupied and stay back.
Cons
Can't pass to save his life
Is the anti-thesis of 'pass n move'
Encourages his team-mates to just hit it long / cross at every opportunity - affecting the mind-set of the whole team
If he scores 20 goals this season and improves then I'll accept I made a mistake however IMO we have taken a step back from the team that played gorgeous pass n move and attacked in waves for the second half of last season (when he didn't play).
Pros
Dominates the air at both ends of the pitch
Helluva shot (when on target)
Ensures opposing teams CBs are pre-occupied and stay back.
Cons
Can't pass to save his life
Is the anti-thesis of 'pass n move'
Encourages his team-mates to just hit it long / cross at every opportunity - affecting the mind-set of the whole team
If he scores 20 goals this season and improves then I'll accept I made a mistake however IMO we have taken a step back from the team that played gorgeous pass n move and attacked in waves for the second half of last season (when he didn't play).
i'd honestly take 20 mill for him right now, and i fucking hate saying that. i thought he was gonna be great but he's deffo not. he ruins our play.
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
Part of the problem today was Vermaelen, who'll make more than a few strikers look slow and ponderous this season if he continues in this vein.
Carroll was the lazy outlet for teammates when they wanted to move the ball upfield quickly, and it's hard to keep it when a beast like Vermaelen is constantly on your back.
Carroll was the lazy outlet for teammates when they wanted to move the ball upfield quickly, and it's hard to keep it when a beast like Vermaelen is constantly on your back.
i don't think his mobility or touch/technique is ever gonna be good enough.
i know there's no point crying over spilt milk and all, but still: £35m. Jesus Fucking Christ.
it's surreal that we paid that for him.
it's surreal that we paid that for him.
occupied the the arsenal defenders by himself, we need to gamble and support him more.
Yea, it's possible part of the problem is that the Carroll / Kuyt partnership isn't ideal.
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383037#msg1383037 date=1313849398]
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
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You give Modo a good name.
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
[/quote]
You give Modo a good name.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46526.msg1383069#msg1383069 date=1313850333]
I think some people are far too quick to pass judgement on Carroll. Tall players always look ungainly, it's a fact of life. He has had a couple of central defenders play exceptionally well against him in our first two matches but this will not always happen.
[/quote]I agree with that Portly. I think it is way too early to be writing off Carroll who I think had the potential to be a monster for us.
He hasn't set the world on fire for sure but I cant help think that a lot of the problem is the fact that he cost £35m and posters have expectations based on that fee.
While I also think his transfer fee was excesive I think we were paying for the potential as much as the player we have today.
I think some people are far too quick to pass judgement on Carroll. Tall players always look ungainly, it's a fact of life. He has had a couple of central defenders play exceptionally well against him in our first two matches but this will not always happen.
[/quote]I agree with that Portly. I think it is way too early to be writing off Carroll who I think had the potential to be a monster for us.
He hasn't set the world on fire for sure but I cant help think that a lot of the problem is the fact that he cost £35m and posters have expectations based on that fee.
While I also think his transfer fee was excesive I think we were paying for the potential as much as the player we have today.
Portly / The Count.
I think for most people here who are showing negativity (me included) it's not what he can do that matters, it's what he can't (especially passing and control) and how that affects a lot of our play / breakdowns in the opposing final 1/4. It's disheartening to see us progress so much in the second half of last season and now to see that we have taken a big step backwards in regard to pass'n' move.
I think for most people here who are showing negativity (me included) it's not what he can do that matters, it's what he can't (especially passing and control) and how that affects a lot of our play / breakdowns in the opposing final 1/4. It's disheartening to see us progress so much in the second half of last season and now to see that we have taken a big step backwards in regard to pass'n' move.
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46526.msg1383067#msg1383067 date=1313850276]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383037#msg1383037 date=1313849398]
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
[/quote]
You give Modo a good name.
[/quote]
I couldn't careless if i made him look like Jesus, this forum has so many shit fans that jump on someones back instead of giving them time show what they got
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383037#msg1383037 date=1313849398]
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
[/quote]
You give Modo a good name.
[/quote]
I couldn't careless if i made him look like Jesus, this forum has so many shit fans that jump on someones back instead of giving them time show what they got
Re: Re: Andy Caroll's "Fitness"
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383095#msg1383095 date=1313851078]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46526.msg1383067#msg1383067 date=1313850276]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383037#msg1383037 date=1313849398]
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
[/quote]
You give Modo a good name.
[/quote]
I couldn't careless if i made him look like Jesus, this forum has so many shit fans that jump on someones back instead of giving them time show what they got
[/quote]
Wow.
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383095#msg1383095 date=1313851078]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46526.msg1383067#msg1383067 date=1313850276]
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=46526.msg1383037#msg1383037 date=1313849398]
Two games into the season and look at everyone jumping on his back but then sucking his cock when he scores.
He will come good, he is good, we have a new team pretty much everyone is getting use to the way we play and everything so get off his back and stop being shit supporters.
If he scored the header szcency saved, everyone would've been going on about how he is the best thing since sliced bread
[/quote]
You give Modo a good name.
[/quote]
I couldn't careless if i made him look like Jesus, this forum has so many shit fans that jump on someones back instead of giving them time show what they got
[/quote]
Wow.
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