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Just curious, why would you think it's euros?
Because it's against the rules?
Pretty sure you can approach agents and reps, just not the player
80 million is an absurd fee for MacAllister.
He's a 45-50 million player. The idea of moving on from Bellingham was that we could sign 2-3 players for the fee we'd pay for him.
That theory kinda gets destroyed if we need to pay 70-80 million for players like MacAllister.
He's a 45-50 million player. The idea of moving on from Bellingham was that we could sign 2-3 players for the fee we'd pay for him.
That theory kinda gets destroyed if we need to pay 70-80 million for players like MacAllister.
I agree to an extent but when you compare it to hundreds of other midfielders that go for a lot less and double their value based on performance levels….there could be an argument to be had.
What I don’t get it where we’re targeting British/Prem players only, we know there’s a premium amount added especially when it involves the big boys. Doesn’t seem smart.
Surely that depends on how the fee is structured and whether or not he meets the bonus payments? For example Nunez was supposedly €75 million (£64.1 million), with a further €25 million (£21.4 million) in potential add-ons. For a 22 yr old on a six-year deal.
So 'only' £64m down. He has to live up to the billing and be worth it to us by meeting those milestones before the other £21.4m is payable in bonuses? And payable out of a future year's budget.
If it's £70m for MacAllister i imagine that would be something like £55m down with £15m in bonuses. If that is the case, and we have for arguments sake a £150m kitty, then that easily leaves enough to achieve our other targets.
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That holds well enough until Madrid pay 150m+ for Bellingham.
Chelsea have fucked the midfield market with their 110m move for Enzo 6 months after he’d moved to Portugal for a low fee (15 or 20m?)
Anyhow, Hyena’s probably right that it’s likely 55-60m plus add ons. I’m still hopeful that there’s an agreement / reasonable clause somewhere in his negotiating to sign a contract last year and protect some value for Brighton.
But every transfer is like that. I am guessing Salah's transfer fee was 25 million guaranteed (lump sum or spread over multiple years) followed by 5-8 million in easily attainable milestones plus 3-5 in tougher milestones. One of the reasons we went for Jota over Sarr was that Wolves were ok with favorable payment terms on our end.
Our transfer pot, 100 or 150, accounts for the staggered payment. If we overpay for transfers, it will end up costing our squad quality either this season or the next. Our this summer's transfer pot is going to be lower because we will have to pay Nunez's appearance based fees.
After the Hazard transfer, Madrid have been brilliant. I doubt they will pay 150m + for Bellingham.
I'm almost certain that our budget does NOT account for future staggered payments. And why would it? That isn't how accounting works. However there may be payments due for e.g. Nunez and Gakpo that would impinge on the Summer's budget.
I also don't see how it would affect the quality. If the going rate for midfielders is that now it's not going to come down in future years, likely the opposite, so it would be better to buy now, increasing the quality of the team, and let future budgets be lower, if that is what it takes to balance the books. Buying 3 high quality midfielders now means we wouldn't need to buy them in the near future (we hope) !
Reports from Italy (https://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/cal...lister-lui-nicchia-vuole-la-champions-1825101) saying it's £60m + £5m
[article]Reports have previously stated the World Cup winner will only leave Brighton if a £70m bid comes in. But Tuttomercatoweb state Liverpool have actually managed to strike an agreement by offering €60m (£53m). They have somehow talked Brighton down by £17m.
While it is brilliant news for Liverpool that they have agreed a deal with Brighton, the signing of Mac Allister is not done yet.
The report claims Mac Allister has yet to actually make a decision on which club he wants to play for next. He ‘intends to wait until the end of the season before deciding’.
The main reason for this is that the former Boca Juniors man wants to ensure he is playing Champions League football when departing the Amex.[/article]
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It doesn't matter, does it? It all comes from the same pot. It is not like we have a separate revenue stream for the "additional" payments. If for example, Brighton agree to 30 million upfront plus 20 million staggered on easy attainables and an additional 10 million on tougher achievements, then we owe them 50 million.
Our medical team says, challenge accepted 😉
On a serious note, agree 100% on that. We are in agreement that we need three high-quality midfielders. You are saying we need to pay the market rate. My point is we may need to do better than just paying market rate to address all the holes in the squad. Maybe we overpay or pay the market rate on Mac Allister. But we do need a Robinson-level signing to make our budget count.
Which is the right number in summer, but we may also get a nice new years present if the "right" player becomes available.
Like Coutinho you mean? Brighton will want easily attainable milestones, we'll want to make them as tough (but still realistic) if we do / he does well. They are not guaranteed. And again, if attained that figure £65/70m whatever, will be spread out over a far more manageable 3-4 years.
No seriously, it's like a mortgage, it means you can buy that house you want now, not try to save up for it by which time you've sunk without trace as house prices increase. Buy your house now and you have a place to live (challenge for trophies and almost guarantee a CL slot), don't and you're living on the street (pre-Klopp, wallowing in mid-table).
Yeah of course that's preferable but I think the market is going skywards. Look at what Chelsea & United have been paying. We can't afford to take chances on players as e.g. Brighton, Brentford etc. can do because they are happy with staying in the PL and biding their time.
We don't have the money of the oil clubs or United but we can buy players that are proven but may have much higher limits, I don't think much has changed in that regard : Nunez, VvD, Alisson, Diaz, Fabinho etc. all cost a pretty penny but all could have / had much higher levels than at the time we bought them. The same will likely be said for whoever we buy this Summer.
If we can get Manu Kone now - I am made up for next seasons midfield, but clearly we going to get another, but we also better fucking get a defender, otherwise we are going to be in the same situation as this season - just the calls will be different. Also from now on - I don't think any LFC supporter should accept this not buying someone because we are waiting for x player next summer, has not worked out with Keita and has not worked out with Jude now.
If the bonus and add ons are tied to winning the league and or CL I’m fine with that.
Lazy sods, I’ve got to agree.
Alaba and Rüdiger on free transfers. 4 year deals to two 30 year olds. 360k and 200k per week.
Thats not great business.
They paid 80 mill for Tchouameni, so 120 mill + for Bellingham is likely.
Alaba was 28 when Madrid offered him that 5 year deal....he's more than paid his dues.
Dunno how anyone can say that's not great business.
Much better business than signing another versatile player of his quality for 40m+ whatever wages he wouldv'e been on had he not been a free..
Dunno how anyone can say that's not great business.
Much better business than signing another versatile player of his quality for 40m+ whatever wages he wouldv'e been on had he not been a free..
When every player wants to play for you that gives you a position of strength when it comes to deals. We don't have that luxury so have to pay more.
IF the reports are true (big if) the I think the more significant thing here is that we've gone in and done some business early when we still don't know if we'll have European football of any kind next season. That could have a big impact on our budget so to make a biggish signing without knowing that is either a gamble (because our remaining budget could have a big top to bottom swing( or else it means we're confident of money from sources other than earnings (ie investment or borrowings).
And to reiterate, it would be unusual if the deal were not staggered payments (three instalments). That is absolutely standard. You might see some increase in the first instalment from a club that doesn't mind borrowing, but you only tend to see full fee up-front where there's a release clause.
And to reiterate, it would be unusual if the deal were not staggered payments (three instalments). That is absolutely standard. You might see some increase in the first instalment from a club that doesn't mind borrowing, but you only tend to see full fee up-front where there's a release clause.
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