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You shouldn't be making your transfer money from transfers. That was the first broke Americans. We'll spend the money from all these new fangled sponsors, and tickets and transfers and appearances (that stupid dinosaur) and venue fees. The new Americans are smarter business people.
 
People advocating selling our better players should have a good look at Downing, Aquilani, Keane, Cole, Voronin, Carroll, and Henderson.....
 
mark1975 said:
The point anyway, going back to Agger, or Skrtel, we are talking about selling one of them for around £15m-£20m and reinvesting that in the team. That means for starters you have to bring in a centre back and develop a partnership and arguably have it working from the off. A BIG ask. You have to do that for a modest price AND leave enough over to add another quality player. So for £20m you have to add two players of the same or better quality, for modest fees, modest wages that will be both a success and have an immediate impact. It's not impossible but it's difficult. Whereas we can just keep all the quality players we have, and I'd say that's probably Reina, Johnson, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez, and just add to that. Spot the positions that need strengthening most, identify the players you can cull and then earn your money and show how shrewd you really are.
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But the *theory* is that you'd still be better off even if you spent all the £20m from Skrtel's sale on, say, a top class 22 year old centre half, because over the next 5 years less of that £20m (possibly none of it) will be lost than would be by keeping Skrtel. That's the theory.

Now obviously in the real world there are other factors, such as the time needed to bed the new guy into the team, but the benefits are great enough that it's at least worth examining the costs for the net effect. Like I say, I wouldn't be dogmatic about it, each case should be examined on its own merits, and the money I'd want to part with both Agger and Skrtel would be prohibitive.
 
Whilst we obviously don't want to get involved in a 32 man clear out, we are talking about a squad of players who have finished 7th & 8th in the last 2 years. I'm not sure I'd put my neck on the line to keep too many of them. Most should have prices at which we're ready to do business.
There's too many people on here play the game on paper. The idea of having some of these players often outweighs the actual; Agger has always been a prime example of that for me.
As it stands, we have a large squad of very highly paid players who have achieved little more than mid-table finishes in the last 2 years. Add to that, we don't have a bottomless pit in terms of what we can invest to improve. Something's got to give, and part of that should be shipping out those who are not value for money.
 
You all say they had a great season - but lets face it we lost a lot of games last year and you don't lose games unless the defence is a little shakey. Granted we only conceeded few goals but on the other hand one of the problems of last sason as shown by the FA Cup final first half was that we never got enough players forward in the right places to take their chances - why ? because a lot of them were in our half sheilding the two so called quality defenders who at the end of the day/game would concede goals. So I question them, and maybe we are better off getting a couple of Jamie's to replace them both. This is in the hope that your basic defender can at least do a short pass to Lucas and Co.

Regards,

MORON
 
peterhague said:
1. The Overmars/Petit thing is what I'm referring to. We're agreed that's good then, sound.
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No it's not; it's good business if he brings in someone like Pires and utter rubbish business if he gets in someone like Pennant or Gonzales.

This whole concept that there are formula's by which to purchase football players is flawed - their guides only; you sell a football player who has reached his peak and heading south if you can buy someone who will very quickly be able to make up for that loss and you can cover whatever shortfall there is in the mean time.

Selling a 25 goal striker for 30m cause they've had their best years and replacing with a 12m striker who will take 3 years to get anywhere near that level isn't good footballing business; it's pretty good short term financial business but not much more. It's the definition of a selling club IMO.
 
The times saying we would sell agger if a we get a decent fee for him, so he can reinvest the money into team. Same thing with Carroll.

This summer is about wheeling and dealing after our Harrods spree last year.
 
What good does 15m for Agger and 18m for Carroll do?

We would straight away need a CB a CF to add to the LWF and RWF and DM and LB we already need.
33m for about 4 players. Hmmmm they will be good....
 
mark1975 said:
It works for Arsenal though Wiz, selling their best players and buying lots of shiny, new young ones.
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They are in the champions league. And they do have a new stadium.
They are a whole fuck world ahead of us in terms of future stability.
 
Herr Onceared said:
They are in the champions league. And they do have a new stadium.
They are a whole fuck world ahead of us in terms of future stability.
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People have been saying that for years Oncy, to be fair. It's like the old woman who saves all her money for a rainy day. And then get's found dead one day, with no one left around her and a load of rotted, wasted cash under the floorboards, meanwhile her family that she lost years ago are sunning it up on the Costa Del Sol.
 
mark1975 said:
People have been saying that for years Oncy, to be fair. It's like the old woman who saves all her money for a rainy day. And then get's found dead one day, with no one left around her and a load of rotted, wasted cash under the floorboards, meanwhile her family that she lost years ago are sunning it up on the Costa Del Sol.
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They ARE in the champions league mate. This year. Last year. Every year.
I know where you are coming from, and I can see that you are at the polar opposite of the debate to Ross. But pointing to a well run club that is doing a great job of competing top 4 and staying in Europe every year while building a new stadium and conveyor belting out premier league class players while net spending zero and keeping the wage bill down probably isnt the best way of doing it.
 
Herr Onceared said:
They ARE in the champions league mate. This year. Last year. Every year.
I know where you are coming from, and I can see that you are at the polar opposite of the debate to Ross. But pointing to a well run club that is doing a great job of competing top 4 and staying in Europe every year while building a new stadium and conveyor belting out premier league class players while net spending zero and keeping the wage bill down probably isnt the best way of doing it.
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.....they've still won fuck all though Oncy. It might do them good in the longterm, staying within touching distance (personally I think it's inevitable they will drop out eventually as the spending power around them becomes too much), but in the meantime they continue to lose their top players too easily and the label of selliing club sticks, something I'm keen to avoid for us and something that does go polar opposite to Rosco's 'blueprint' (yes I know, it's a twat of a word).
 
I have very little faith in the club to manage situations like this.

We need to play hardball - even if Agger puts in a transfer request.
 
mark1975 said:
.....they've still won fuck all though Oncy. It might do them good in the longterm, staying within touching distance (personally I think it's inevitable they will drop out eventually as the spending power around them becomes too much), but in the meantime they continue to lose their top players too easily and the label of selliing club sticks, something I'm keen to avoid for us and something that does go polar opposite to Rosco's 'blueprint' (yes I know, it's a twat of a word).
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We're already a selling club.
And Ross blueprint is shite. Simply because the fact remains that the biggest spenders, and the clubs with the biggest bankrolls win the trophies.
We cant compete. We needed a sugardaddy BEFORE ffp came in. We needed an Abramovich or a Sheik. We got penniless yank after penniless yank.
Now we are miles off the pace and with a 45k capacity stadium and a mess of a squad.

Selling the best players out of that squad wont help.
 
keniget said:
I have very little faith in the club to manage situations like this.

We need to play hardball - even if Agger puts in a transfer request.
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I am pretty confident Agger won't hand in a transfer request but I do fear that we'd accept a bid on him if it's heavy enough.

I can't see him move to Citeh to be honest no matter the money involved and I doubt he'd be jumping at the chance to play for Real. The club we should be most worried about (if you care to keep him that is) is obviously Barca as he'd fit right in to their system and style of play.

Btw - if Sky has got it right - I like the fact we have rejected an improved £17M bid from Citeh.
 
Yes, of *course* Agger wouldn't want to play for Real Madrid.

With their shite manager and squad and stadium.
 
themn said:
Yes, of *course* Agger wouldn't want to play for Real Madrid.

With their shite manager and squad and stadium.
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Their style of play doesn't suit him anywhere near as much as Barca's does, which I believe would have a big say. Barca is also the club to play for if you are pro today. Real is close by but there is still difference I'd like to believe.

It's a gut feeling but I don't think he'd leave us for Madrid nor any other English club - especially an English move is ruled out I'm pretty certain as he is a pretty loyal charachter ol' Agger.

*Money has made people make stranger decisions than that though so I could be well wrong of course.
 
Mascherano has been talking up Agger in the media in the last 24 hours.

When Barca players come out and publicly talking about specific players, that;s 110% confirmation they are chasing him.
 
Mark, and a few of the other more belligerent dissenters, have a look at the table on this link titled Transfer League Table 2003-2012:

http://transferleague.co.uk/

So of the current PL clubs, Arsenal aren't 4th or 5th or 6th in terms of net spend, but *seventeenth*. They've actually spent *no* money on transfers in ten years. Exactly as I said, that's the reason they've slipped from always challenging for the title to occasionally challenging for it, and it's only the wisdom of the transfer policy that hasn't seen them down where they belong in midtable, or maybe even lower.
 
Rodgers nursing Agger through pre-season

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Brendan Rodgers is keeping Daniel Agger wrapped in cotton wool as he prepares for the new season.
The 27-year-old defender has been the subject of interest from Manchester City and Barcelona this summer but Rodgers is keen to keep him at Anfield and make him a key part of his team.
The former Swansea boss is intent on nursing him back into the first team fold gradually after he performed a starring role for Denmark at Euro 2012 in order to make sure he remains injury free.
"We have a behind closed doors game for him this weekend to help his match fitness," Rodgers said.
"Daniel is fit, but we have to make sure his physical condition is up to speed. He wasn't going to play and as that was the case, I wanted him to use that time to work on his physical condition."
 
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