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4th isn't going to happen

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[quote author=Mystic link=topic=47803.msg1439274#msg1439274 date=1323188943]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=47803.msg1439272#msg1439272 date=1323188863]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47803.msg1439233#msg1439233 date=1323186110]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=47803.msg1439217#msg1439217 date=1323184563]
We shouldnt have sold Meireles. It was my main concern last summer.
But "Productive player like Torres" well, the last time he was productive was in 2009 maybe..

Had we beaten the small teams at home we'd still be in the top 4. No brainers.
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wrong as usual. Torres scored 18 in 22 games in 09/10, and was in brilliant goalscoring form when we sold him.

preactically his only quiet patch during his whole LFC stay was during Hodgson's regin. go figure.
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Ok ok we sold Torres when he was at his peak for us and 50M was even too low.

We had not seen the best Torres for almost 2 years, he wasnt even bothered wearing the shirt.
He wasnt productive when we sold him.
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Yet if he continued in the same vien he'd have scored ~20 goals that season, absolutely terrible.
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He actually only scored 20+ goals twice while he was here 07/08 09/10 and , and Twice he wasn't even top goalscorer for the club Gerrard scored more goals than him in a season 08/09
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=47803.msg1439267#msg1439267 date=1323188207]
I wouldn't mind so much about the lack of goals, if we was causing others to score or causing problems for their defence. He's currently doing nothing.
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Harsh. He's actually causing a lot of problems for our offence.

Oh wait...
 
pete, first of all I apologise for telling you to fuck off.

second, transfers aside what is it about kenny that you want rid before he has even reached the year mark?
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47803.msg1439277#msg1439277 date=1323189206]


04/05: LFC won the Uefa Champions League for the first time in its existence with possibly the worst group of players ever to have achieved such a feat. They got to the final of the League Cup, and were unlucky not to beat a vastly superior team. They signed Alonso and Luis Garcia, both influential in delivering more glory than the club had seen in 20 years. They beat Juventus, Chelsea and a brilliant Milan team in winning number 5. Given the previous 2 years' performances and Houllier's dismal legacy the league form was no more than a mild disappointment.

05/06: after only being given a modest transfer budget with which to rebuild the same dreadful Houllier squad, he achieved a PL points haul of 82 points, then the highest ever by an LFC team. He also won the FA cup. We weren't out of the title race in October, because any rational person could see we were out of it in August: please refer to Mourinho's Chelsea and compare to LFC's playing and financial resources.

Cheers
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I don't think anyone would dispute that the CL win was a fantastic achievement, but by this stage in that season Benitez was not doing much better than Dalglish is now.

Alonso and Garcia were good signings but Josemi and Nunez certainly weren't. And the January signings - Pellegrino, Morientes and Carson - were fucking rubbish!

You also mention the League Cup as an achievement, but if it was for Benitez then it must be for Dalglish as well!
 
I've really indulged the whole Carroll thing, but now, enough is enough. We have to have more striking options. I don't know if he is the problem, or if the way we play is the problem, but we need another striker by January if it's not fixed. We've no chance of making Europe with no goalscorers
 
I haven't got time to reply to that now Richey, but it was all either wrong, highly questionable, or in no way in contradiction of anything I've posted on the thread. Will expand on it later.
 
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My eyes! They're pouring... blood...!
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Is this a reply to a spidey post or a DB post?
 
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47803.msg1#msg1 date=1323197734]
My eyes! They're pouring... blood...!
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Is this a reply to a spidey post or a DB post?
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Neither. For once.
 
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[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47803.msg1#msg1 date=1323197996]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=47803.msg1439319#msg1439319 date=1323197902]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=47803.msg1#msg1 date=1323197734]
My eyes! They're pouring... blood...!
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Is this a reply to a spidey post or a DB post?
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Neither. For once.
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*head explodes*
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47803.msg1439315#msg1439315 date=1323196192]
I haven't got time to reply to that now Richey, but it was all either wrong, highly questionable, or in no way in contradiction of anything I've posted on the thread. Will expand on it later.
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Benitez' first league campaign was poor, he didn't win the league cup (you mention it like it was an achievement - we didn't win it!), he won the CL which was fantastic, he signed Alonso and Luis which you clearly mentioned, but he also signed some shite players too, which of course you failed to mention (as you always do). Your selective bias on this subject is why most people end up giving Benitez so much stick in response.

You've given up on Kenny, in December, in his first FULL season back in charge (lets not count his last spell, given it was fucking DECADES ago). Yet you let Rafa live off the Champions League win for 5 whole years, glossed over his misgivings and shortcomings during that spell and still maintain that we were heading in the right direction up until the death because of some bollocks over how poorly he was mistreated with funds and how financially superior his competitors were. Arsenal won the league seasons before without the financial clout to compete with a United team who then were miles ahead of everyone.

It's pointless arguing the toss because we've been here a million times and your posturing of Rafa's ability is slightly unnerving.
 
We've got to accept we will lose games this season. Otherwise coming on here, will be a mix of amazingly silly highs and awful lows! I can't come on here when we lose. Too despairing!
 
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47803.msg1439231#msg1439231 date=1323186054]
I hope Dalglish is still here next season (although I'm starting to doubt he will be here if we're not in the top 4 places in December 2012) but I hope in January and in the summer we see a bit more Comoli in the transfer market and a bit less Kenny.

I can't help thinking Carroll/Downing/Adam were Dalglish picks and Suarez, Enrique and Coates were Comoli picks - I don't know why!
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i'm pretty sure enrique was said to be kenny's choice. suarez was benitez's choice.
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A manager who was sacked long before the player was signed is getting credit for his signing ?

The Rafa cult is well and truly still in operation.
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47803.msg1439238#msg1439238 date=1323186291]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=47803.msg1439231#msg1439231 date=1323186054]
I hope Dalglish is still here next season (although I'm starting to doubt he will be here if we're not in the top 4 places in December 2012) but I hope in January and in the summer we see a bit more Comoli in the transfer market and a bit less Kenny.

I can't help thinking Carroll/Downing/Adam were Dalglish picks and Suarez, Enrique and Coates were Comoli picks - I don't know why!
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i'm pretty sure enrique was said to be kenny's choice. suarez was benitez's choice.
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A manager who was sacked long before the player was signed is getting credit for his signing ?

The Rafa cult is well and truly still in operation.
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I don't know if he was "Rafa's choice"....but Kenny did say that Rafa had sent him to scout Suarez
 
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439391#msg1439391 date=1323204067]
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.

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Ah, the Rafa Hate Club is still in operation.
 
5 cup finals in 4 years, our highest ever points tally which was a club record, a record 8-0 win in the Champions League, terrorising Europe, having European Giants dreading being drawn against us .

He was nothing Special at all, we'd have got to those 2 CL finals with Roy in charge I'm sure with the Squad he had, especially the first squad.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439391#msg1439391 date=1323204067]
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.

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Ah, the Rafa Hate Club is still in operation.
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Ironically I'm the Rafa Facts club.

I'll throw another one out there - The worst owners the club has ever seen actually subsidised Benitez's transfer business. True fact.
 
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[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47803.msg1439392#msg1439392 date=1323204256]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439391#msg1439391 date=1323204067]
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.

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Ah, the Rafa Hate Club is still in operation.
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Ironically I'm the Rafa Facts club.

I'll throw another one out there - The worst owners the club has ever seen actually subsidised Benitez's transfer business. True fact.
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Yeah the fact we made a 50 MILLION pound profit on just 2 of those subsidised players ( Alonso sold for 20 Million profit Torres sold for 30 Million pound profit) in no way makes up for the cash he spent either!
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=47803.msg1439398#msg1439398 date=1323204417]
LUCAS !
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I hope he gets well soon
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439397#msg1439397 date=1323204379]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47803.msg1439392#msg1439392 date=1323204256]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439391#msg1439391 date=1323204067]
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.

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Ah, the Rafa Hate Club is still in operation.
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Ironically I'm the Rafa Facts club.

I'll throw another one out there - The worst owners the club has ever seen actually subsidised Benitez's transfer business. True fact.
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Yeah the fact we made a 50 MILLION pound profit on just 2 of those subsidised players ( Alonso sold for 20 Million profit Torres sold for 30 Million pound profit) in no way makes up for the cash he spent either!

[/quote]I wish you fuckers would learn to quote properly
 
[quote author=iseered link=topic=47803.msg1439405#msg1439405 date=1323204973]
Ah, the Couldn't Use Quote Function If Their Life Depended On It Club is still in operation.
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One of them, the Rafa Fact Club if you couldn't guess, is a mod as well!
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439397#msg1439397 date=1323204379]
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=47803.msg1439392#msg1439392 date=1323204256]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439391#msg1439391 date=1323204067]
Clearly it wasn't Benitez's choice given he was busy fucking up Inter at that point, or had he been sacked by then ? And Suarez was hardly unknown at that point - it's not like we'd never have found him if it wasn't for the greatest manager to ever walk the face of the earth.

All peterhague is short of crediting Benitez with is creating the world in 7 days. It's bollocks. Any manager who gets to double the wage bill of the club and spend 250m on transfers in five years is going to improve a club at some point during that time. He's not special. Not by any stretch.

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Ah, the Rafa Hate Club is still in operation.
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Ironically I'm the Rafa Facts club.

I'll throw another one out there - The worst owners the club has ever seen actually subsidised Benitez's transfer business. True fact.
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Agree you do quote facts. But you do conveniently forget to quote the facts that makes Rafa special (CL winners, CL finalist, FA cup winners, 2nd in PL, League Winners in Spain, x2)
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=47803.msg1439401#msg1439401 date=1323204774]
[quote author=themn link=topic=47803.msg1439398#msg1439398 date=1323204417]
LUCAS !
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I hope he gets well soon
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No you don't.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=47803.msg1439313#msg1439313 date=1323194943]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=47803.msg1439277#msg1439277 date=1323189206]


04/05: LFC won the Uefa Champions League for the first time in its existence with possibly the worst group of players ever to have achieved such a feat. They got to the final of the League Cup, and were unlucky not to beat a vastly superior team. They signed Alonso and Luis Garcia, both influential in delivering more glory than the club had seen in 20 years. They beat Juventus, Chelsea and a brilliant Milan team in winning number 5. Given the previous 2 years' performances and Houllier's dismal legacy the league form was no more than a mild disappointment.

05/06: after only being given a modest transfer budget with which to rebuild the same dreadful Houllier squad, he achieved a PL points haul of 82 points, then the highest ever by an LFC team. He also won the FA cup. We weren't out of the title race in October, because any rational person could see we were out of it in August: please refer to Mourinho's Chelsea and compare to LFC's playing and financial resources.

Cheers
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I don't think anyone would dispute that the CL win was a fantastic achievement, but by this stage in that season Benitez was not doing much better than Dalglish is now.

Alonso and Garcia were good signings but Josemi and Nunez certainly weren't. And the January signings - Pellegrino, Morientes and Carson - were fucking rubbish!

You also mention the League Cup as an achievement, but if it was for Benitez then it must be for Dalglish as well!
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1. 2004-05 we had 23 points from 14 games. this season it's the same. i think that speaks for itself, considering that kenny took over 6 months earlier, has had one of the biggest budgets we've given a manager in 20 years, and was fortunate enough to receive £50m (50 fucking million!) for his wantaway striker whereas rafa got £8m and Antonio fucking Nunez (which of course doesn't stop the likes of you from actually blaming him for that signing).

2. Nunez is imo not submissible when looking at his signings. nothing more than a take it or leave it makeweight from the owen debacle. Josemi was a poor signing, but cheap, and we got the money back, so , really, big fucking deal. Carson was a good signing for a young and highly regarded english keeper. £750k he cost, and did well at times, gaining an england cap or 2, and looked likely for some time to fetch us a very good fee. eventually i think he went to west brom for £3.25m. i see that as good and sensible business, and a chance very much worth taking on young potential. compare and contrast to another recent chance we've taken on another young, highly regarded english player, again seen as the future regular for england in his position: £35m for Andy Carroll. i have my doubts as to whether that has been a chance worth taking. Pellegrino was a nightmare as a player, but again cost nothing and probably helped get us through the season as much needed cover for the PL games, in order to save Hyypia for the CL. you'll recall, after all, that your beloved Houllier had left us with only a well past it Henchoz in reserve (who, in case you're tempted to defend him, never again played at a comparable level). So no great harm done, really. Morientes, sure, he didn't work out, and Rafa should've been more aware that he wasn't going to be suited to the PL.

3. I never said or even implied that if Kenny manages to get us to the LC final (which he hasn't and probably won't) it wouldn't be a comparable achievement.
 
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