2 Heads up for Stevie

[Y1]

Couldn't find the other thread where Froggy started the thread that Stevie must never ever take corners again for LFC.

So, let me state once again that I agree with Froggy. SG is good in the air. He scored 2, two goals with his head yesterday. He must play in the middle during corners!

 

[MaBigTip]

There pretty darn good headers too. I think Aurelio will take a lot of them when he is in the starting XI. But besides Aurelio there is only one other corner kick taker we have on our team and that is...Lucas

 

[Dirkus_Circus]

Stevie is the fooking man, I for one would love for England to win the WC next summer just so Steven could get another notch in his belt.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg940998#msg940998 date=1252553790]
There pretty darn good headers too. I think Aurelio will take a lot of them when he is in the starting XI. But besides Aurelio there is only one other corner kick taker we have on our team and that is...Lucas
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Aquaman

 

[MaBigTip]

Is he good at them(somewhat remember some youtube footage of it)? because that will be a blessing and another reason for me to get excited for the return of Aquilani

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg941003#msg941003 date=1252555225]
Is he good at them(somewhat remember some youtube footage of it)? because that will be a blessing and another reason for me to get excited for the return of Aquilani
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I choose to believe that he is good at them, and that we are suddenly going to score bucket loads from free kicks once he makes his debut.

 

[MaBigTip]

I choose to agree, good man.

 

[spider-Neil]

stevie is so good I don't understand why he can't take corners AND get on the end them in the box.

 

[Y1]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg940998#msg940998 date=1252553790]
There pretty darn good headers too. I think Aurelio will take a lot of them when he is in the starting XI. But besides Aurelio there is only one other corner kick taker we have on our team and that is...Lucas
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Lucas is poor with his headers. Let him take the corners when he is on.

 

[Jack D Rips]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35745.msg941008#msg941008 date=1252561781]
stevie is so good I don't understand why he can't take corners AND get on the end them in the box.
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Yes the legendary Irish warrior Setanta was able to hit a ball with a hurley stick and be able to run and catch it before it hit the ground.

Then he set up a tv station but fucked it up badly.

 

[Judge Jules]

Stevie's always been good with his head, Istanbul providing one example (though not the only one) from a while ago.  His strength and shooting power on the ground would also be a heck of a handful for any defence at corners.  As if that wasn't enough, he actually isn't particularly good at taking corners anyway.  One can only assume he himself has insisted on doing so all along.  It's time Rafa did something about that. 

 

[Rafiagra]

Another key factor for Gerrard not taking corners is that the defenders would focus more attention on him because of who he is and his ability, which could distract them from other players and concentrating on just defending the corner

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=35745.msg941121#msg941121 date=1252578765]
Another key factor for Gerrard not taking corners is that the defenders would focus more attention on him because of who he is and his ability, which could distract them from other players and concentrating on just defending the corner
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Exactly what I said here : http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=35544.0

Thanks Y1 - as you know I really couldn't agree more and it would be the first thing I'd do if I was manager.

We have more than enough professional players who can kick the ball the 25 yds necessary to reach the penalty area !

However : Aurelio, Insua, Riera, Johnson & Lucas should be more than enough !

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=35745.msg941115#msg941115 date=1252578058]
Stevie's always been good with his head, Istanbul providing one example (though not the only one) from a while ago. His strength and shooting power on the ground would also be a heck of a handful for any defence at corners. As if that wasn't enough, he actually isn't particularly good at taking corners anyway. One can only assume he himself has insisted on doing so all along. It's time Rafa did something about that.
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Both goals the other night were scored as a result of arriving late at the back post from a right-wing cross. He was able to do that cos he was playing on the left-wing for England, hence being in the right place at the right time to get on the end of the cross. If memory serves me right, he did the same against Sweden at the last World Cup too.

All great and nice, but he doesn't play on the left-wing for us. Kuyt does a good job of occupying the gap at the back post when Riera (or someone else) supplies balls from the left. Riera doesn't doa great job of doing so from the other side, but that's neither here nor there.

It's not a matter of Stevie taking corners ergo he can't head the thing. He actually stops himself from going near the contest to win a header most of the time. Take the Bolton game two weeks ago, time and again when we broke down the wings quickly, Stevie would be central and charging goalwards. The ball gets whipped in, and he always ALWAYS holds back at the edge of the box. He doesn't involve himself in challeneging for headers. Now we can come up with a hundred reasons why he does or doesn't, my one opinion is because he feels he's got a better opportunity of getting a chance, or being left free, or getting a knockdown if he stays out of the 'mixer'. Which he did in the Bolton game - spanking the bar with one effort, and scoring the winner with the other.

You can't really argue with that.

A good headerererer of the ball he may be, but he's not inclined to demonstarte it enough, and 20+ goals every season from doing what he does shows that it's pretty inconsequential anyway.

 

[ILD]

But what your saying is based o open play. Many poster fell Stevie should be in the box or the 'mixer' for our corners and not in fact taking them. Stevie is good in the air and deadly in and around the box for a lay off or to pounce on a loose ball. I would like to see him hang around the edge of the box where he can be an assist to us adn let Aurelio/Aqualini take the corners. (If they ever get fit),

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941427#msg941427 date=1252629102]
But what your saying is based o open play. Many poster fell Stevie should be in the box or the 'mixer' for our corners and not in fact taking them. Stevie is good in the air and deadly in and around the box for a lay off or to pounce on a loose ball. I would like to see him hang around the edge of the box where he can be an assist to us adn let Aurelio/Aqualini take the corners. (If they ever get fit),
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Even if he didn't take the corners, he wouldn't stand in the box and compete for the headers anyway. It's just not his preference.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941433#msg941433 date=1252629462]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941427#msg941427 date=1252629102]
But what your saying is based o open play. Many poster fell Stevie should be in the box or the 'mixer' for our corners and not in fact taking them. Stevie is good in the air and deadly in and around the box for a lay off or to pounce on a loose ball. I would like to see him hang around the edge of the box where he can be an assist to us adn let Aurelio/Aqualini take the corners. (If they ever get fit),
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Even if he didn't take the corners, he wouldn't stand in the box and compete for the headers anyway. It's just not his preference.
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I've highlighted above what his preference probably is and that's where he should be deployed at times instead of taking corners. Lucas to be fair has taken a few corners lately so maybe getting Gerrard into more dangerous area's is being looked at.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941438#msg941438 date=1252629870]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941433#msg941433 date=1252629462]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941427#msg941427 date=1252629102]
But what your saying is based o open play. Many poster fell Stevie should be in the box or the 'mixer' for our corners and not in fact taking them. Stevie is good in the air and deadly in and around the box for a lay off or to pounce on a loose ball. I would like to see him hang around the edge of the box where he can be an assist to us adn let Aurelio/Aqualini take the corners. (If they ever get fit),
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Even if he didn't take the corners, he wouldn't stand in the box and compete for the headers anyway. It's just not his preference.
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I've highlighted above what his preference probably is and that's where he should be deployed at times instead of taking corners. Lucas to be fair has taken a few corners lately so maybe getting Gerrard into more dangerous area's is being looked at.


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To be honest, I don't really give a fuck about corners. I've never in my life seen a Liverpool side that was in any way dangerous with them, so I'm unlikely to get worked up about it now.

Plus, I dodn't even think Stevie takes a bad corner either.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941441#msg941441 date=1252630249]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941438#msg941438 date=1252629870]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941433#msg941433 date=1252629462]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=35745.msg941427#msg941427 date=1252629102]
But what your saying is based o open play. Many poster fell Stevie should be in the box or the 'mixer' for our corners and not in fact taking them. Stevie is good in the air and deadly in and around the box for a lay off or to pounce on a loose ball. I would like to see him hang around the edge of the box where he can be an assist to us adn let Aurelio/Aqualini take the corners. (If they ever get fit),
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Even if he didn't take the corners, he wouldn't stand in the box and compete for the headers anyway. It's just not his preference.
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I've highlighted above what his preference probably is and that's where he should be deployed at times instead of taking corners. Lucas to be fair has taken a few corners lately so maybe getting Gerrard into more dangerous area's is being looked at.


[/quote]

To be honest, I don't really give a fuck about corners. I've never in my life seen a Liverpool side that was in any way dangerous with them, so I'm unlikely to get worked up about it now.

Plus, I dodn't even think Stevie takes a bad corner either.
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Maybe deploying Stevie is a dangerous area just of the box might make us a tad more dangerous. Haha, it's a discussion that could end up going around in circles anyway. Poor corners just piss me off, especially one's that don't beat the first man. Crinimal.

The only thing worse than a corner not beating the first man, is a short corner that leads to us losing possession. Hate when we take a short corner.

 

[MaBigTip]

We need him in the box. It's not even an argument really. But I have to maintain he is our best corner kick taker besides Aurelio. If Aquaman can do better than him in training when it comes to corners we'll be laughing at our two world class talents in the 18 yard box on corners along with Kuyt who does ok on them. Johnson looks very good in the air, and of our CB's Agger can make a nuisance of himself and the Greek lad is supposed to be very good in the air.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg941447#msg941447 date=1252633514]
We need him in the box. It's not even an argument really. But I have to maintain he is our best corner kick taker besides Aurelio. If Aquaman can do better than him in training when it comes to corners we'll be laughing at our two world class talents in the 18 yard box on corners along with Kuyt who does ok on them. Johnson looks very good in the air, and of our CB's Agger can make a nuisance of himself and the Greek lad is supposed to be very good in the air.
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He won't go in the box to compete for headers from corners though.

 

[MaBigTip]

So he can go at the edge of the box so that all our have players have two options instead of one, a) head it at goal b) set it for the Captain to bang em in. Or wow now the corner kick taker has 3 options play it short, to the center of the box or to Gerrard (a la Scholes for United). Even though I hate most short ones.

 

[Y1]

When a player cannot score directly from corners, why use Stevie to take corners?

We need players who can score with headers and scrap a shot when the ball is lose in and around the penalty area when corners are taken. Stevie is one such player.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Y1 link=topic=35745.msg941450#msg941450 date=1252636424]
When a player cannot score directly from corners, why use Stevie to take corners?
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[MaBigTip]

We all read Y1's post and most of us probably agreed with the majority of it. The part you highlighted is said quite tongue in cheek, and ultimately is true.

 

[Frogfish]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941448#msg941448 date=1252633958]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg941447#msg941447 date=1252633514]
We need him in the box. It's not even an argument really. But I have to maintain he is our best corner kick taker besides Aurelio. If Aquaman can do better than him in training when it comes to corners we'll be laughing at our two world class talents in the 18 yard box on corners along with Kuyt who does ok on them. Johnson looks very good in the air, and of our CB's Agger can make a nuisance of himself and the Greek lad is supposed to be very good in the air.
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He won't go in the box to compete for headers from corners though.

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I'd imagine he would do what Rafa told him to do .. and therein lies the problem. Only a short sighted bat could fail to see we would be more dangerous with Gerrard in the centre than popping in uselss corners that are mostly a waste of time (when commenting on one game recently he had 4/5 corners that failed to beat the first defender - the fact that 1:10 is a great corner is irrelevant in that context).

He would worry defenders distracting them from our other players and creating space, he would be a threat both from loose balls falling outside the box (shooting, creativity) and from his heading ability (come on Rafa). The current option is Lucas in the centre.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35745.msg941464#msg941464 date=1252642008]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941448#msg941448 date=1252633958]
[quote author=Assulin link=topic=35745.msg941447#msg941447 date=1252633514]
We need him in the box. It's not even an argument really. But I have to maintain he is our best corner kick taker besides Aurelio. If Aquaman can do better than him in training when it comes to corners we'll be laughing at our two world class talents in the 18 yard box on corners along with Kuyt who does ok on them. Johnson looks very good in the air, and of our CB's Agger can make a nuisance of himself and the Greek lad is supposed to be very good in the air.
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He won't go in the box to compete for headers from corners though.

[/quote]

I'd imagine he would do what Rafa told him to do .. and therein lies the problem. Only a short sighted bat could fail to see we would be more dangerous with Gerrard in the centre than popping in uselss corners that are mostly a waste of time (when commenting on one game recently he had 4/5 corners that failed to beat the first defender - the fact that 1:10 is a great corner is irrelevant in that context).

He would worry defenders distracting them from our other players and creating space, he would be a threat both from loose balls falling outside the box (shooting, creativity) and from his heading ability (come on Rafa). The current option is Lucas in the centre.
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He's 29, and in the 10+ years he's been playing with us has never competed for headers from corners. He won't start doing so now either.

 

[Y1]

Even if Stevie G does not challenge for a corner header, at least he is in the box or pitch to take a chance on some lose balls or a possible lay back.

 

[keniget]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941441#msg941441 date=1252630249]
Plus, I dodn't even think Stevie takes a bad corner either.
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*hi five*

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=35745.msg941441#msg941441 date=1252630249]
To be honest, I don't really give a fuck about corners. I've never in my life seen a Liverpool side that was in any way dangerous with them, so I'm unlikely to get worked up about it now.

Plus, I dodn't even think Stevie takes a bad corner either.
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It's rare I disagree with you over something involving tactics or setup, but you're missing the point here I think.

Our rivals for the league all score a lot more goals from corners than we do.

I think if we could start threatening more from corners & free kicks we'd not find ourselves drawing with shite sides. In almost every draw last season we outplayed the opposition & had a massive amount of possession & corners.