Will Hughes
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Fuck me.
I don't swing that way.
Ok fine but let's go through this one more time.
1. You reckon if we buy him the wisest thing to do would be to loan him back
2. If we pay enough we should disregard 1. only because we dont want to do them any favors
conclusion: the more we pay the more stupid we should be regarding his development?
Well, we can loan him out to the highest bidder if we pay a higher fee, and not directly slight Derby
And you think teams will pay huge loan fees for a kid? Not letting him stay where he has already established himself and the staff care about him so we can get £100k from somewhere else? Great.
No I reckon that if we're paying £15 million, we should be buying a player who's good enough to start. Also if Derby hold us to ransom why should we go ahead and loan them the player? We can loan him to whoever we want.
The kid isn't worth more than £5-7 million tops and that includes a deal to loan him back to them.
£15 million for a kid who MIGHT have the potential to be star. Plus a deal to have him for an additional season for free, they can fuck off.
I have no idea how much we should pay for him but that's irrelevant. If we buy him I want us to handle his development the best we can. If they ask too much we shouldn't buy him, simple.
The threat of having him loaned out to a potential competitor is a very real concern they will have when selling him, so it's completely fair to ask for either a lower fee if they want him back for an year or two. If he does cost 15M though, we could definitely get more than 100k as a loan fee, either here or abroad.
The argument of giving a player an opportunity to settle in and be comfortable in his surroundings is really just an easy excuse if a player fails to pan out, if you ask me. Good players typically hit the ground running regardless of where they go, and as long as he's getting minutes, I am not worried regarding his development regardless of where he goes.
We would be paying for potential not current ability. You really think foreign clubs would be queuing to pay loads to take a kid on loan?
Anyway the point being: if we buy the kid we should do what is best for his development regardless of how much we pay for him. Disagree?
15 m is nonsense money for this lad, good as he is now.
We would be paying primarily for potential, but it's not like he's completely useless as is. As far as current ability goes, clubs, especially clubs in direct competition with Derby, would certainly be willing to pay a pretty reasonable fee. Considering we want him to get minutes, regardless of age and immediate talent value, whatever club takes him on is essentially signing him to be a first team player in all likelihood.
Doing what's best for him is a very subjective way to look at it. I'm not familiar with how Derby plays, but there are probably numerous clubs out there that play a more similar style to our own. If we pay more, I would loan him to a club of our own preference, not his. Player development is directly tied to the club's interests though: if we could loan Sterling to Arsenal for the season and he would be guaranteed first team minutes, would we? Regardless of the potential loan fee figure, or the idea that it would be "best for his development", it wouldn't make any sense. You can't look at things one dimensionally, the fee and his development are linked now and forever.
More than just Carra rate him.
Didn't Robbie say he's the closest thing he's seen to Gerrard?
Look, I have no idea what's best for him or how much we should be paying for him. All I'm saying is we can't hold a grudge on Derby if we ourselves agree to pay a certain price for him. If they ask too much then we just simply don't buy him.
This is where a part-ownership structure common in Italian football could be useful. Clubs who are not awash in money can still acquire top talents without having to pay a big lump sum up front. If we were Fiorentina we could buy 50% of the rights of the player and let him play at Reggina for one more year - that's how the clubs do it there.
I posted it by mistake in the wrong thread
I posted it by mistake in the wrong thread
Sorry, its a week late. Goal at 1.36 min (vs. Leeds) - 2nd league goal
His 2 other goals so far this season:
@ 1.20 min (vs Reading) - 1st league goal
@0.30 min (vs Brentford) - League Cup goal
His 2 other goals so far this season:
@ 1.20 min (vs Reading) - 1st league goal
@0.30 min (vs Brentford) - League Cup goal
Man Utd are the latest side to be linked with a move for him
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/nick-powell-hughes-could-hold-6177877?
[article]McClaren’s Old Trafford connection from his days as Fergie’s No.2 might help grease the wheels. And the Reds’ current assistant Steve Round goes back a long way with McClaren.
The pair were Derby team-mates and Round was on McClaren’s coaching staff at both Middlesbrough and England.[/article]
I see it as a risky investment but surely worth the risk. It depends on how FSG are approaching and if our scouting system believe that this is the guy, we can go for him but 15 fucking m *cough* is too much. When we have invested like 1m for shelvey and we sold him like for 5m which could have been little higher probably. But 15m is the risk, in case he flops and we will have to sell him for 1 pound fish prize.
this video is not available in your country because of GEMA rights 
probably this time 
but in Germany, we always face this peoblem. I have to install that unblocker or something. Btw the front theme of the video itself raises so many questions
but in Germany, we always face this peoblem. I have to install that unblocker or something. Btw the front theme of the video itself raises so many questions
Rodgers ready to ramp up Hughes interest as Liverpool fight United for Derby kid
By JOHN EDWARDS
PUBLISHED: 08:15 GMT, 11 October 2013 | UPDATED: 14:53 GMT, 11 October 2013
EXCLUSIVE
Liverpool have emerged as Manchester United's biggest rivals for Will Hughes after Brendan Rodgers installed the teenage prospect as his top target for the January transfer window.
Already linked with Hughes, along with several other Barclays Premier League clubs, Liverpool are now ready to grasp the initiative, with Rodgers poised to ask for the necessary funding to land Derby's England Under 21 midfielder when the market opens again.
Derby manager Steve McClaren effectively sounded the starting gun for a scramble to sign Hughes in the new year by admitting the Championship club could not hope to hold on to him much longer.
Derby may demand as much as £15million for the 18-year old, and while Liverpool will try and negotiate that down towards single figures, Rodgers will urge his board to pull out all the stops to bring him to Anfield.
Rodgers was interested in the left-sided attacker before the last window shut and is now ready to spring into action, after McClaren reluctantly concluded that cashing in on one of the country's brightest talents was the only way to finance his own transfer plans.
Though United have carefully monitored Hughes's progress this season, there are some misgivings within Old Trafford about the likely asking price and whether his slight build might count against him.
The fee could also be an issue for Liverpool, but Rodgers is said to be 'desperately keen' to see off his Premier League rivals and land an emerging talent he feels would be perfectly suited to his style of play.
By JOHN EDWARDS
PUBLISHED: 08:15 GMT, 11 October 2013 | UPDATED: 14:53 GMT, 11 October 2013
EXCLUSIVE
Liverpool have emerged as Manchester United's biggest rivals for Will Hughes after Brendan Rodgers installed the teenage prospect as his top target for the January transfer window.
Already linked with Hughes, along with several other Barclays Premier League clubs, Liverpool are now ready to grasp the initiative, with Rodgers poised to ask for the necessary funding to land Derby's England Under 21 midfielder when the market opens again.
Derby manager Steve McClaren effectively sounded the starting gun for a scramble to sign Hughes in the new year by admitting the Championship club could not hope to hold on to him much longer.
Derby may demand as much as £15million for the 18-year old, and while Liverpool will try and negotiate that down towards single figures, Rodgers will urge his board to pull out all the stops to bring him to Anfield.
Rodgers was interested in the left-sided attacker before the last window shut and is now ready to spring into action, after McClaren reluctantly concluded that cashing in on one of the country's brightest talents was the only way to finance his own transfer plans.
Though United have carefully monitored Hughes's progress this season, there are some misgivings within Old Trafford about the likely asking price and whether his slight build might count against him.
The fee could also be an issue for Liverpool, but Rodgers is said to be 'desperately keen' to see off his Premier League rivals and land an emerging talent he feels would be perfectly suited to his style of play.
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