A long time has passed since we have been crowned champions (19 yrs) who or what would you put it down to e.g. G and h, rafa the gaffer, the sell off,we have to believe its our year every year, But if it was this year. I'm intrigued by what im about to hear please post
who would you blame for number 19
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Moores and Parry. Fucking divs selling to those Yanks.
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Moores and Parry. Fucking divs selling to those Yanks.
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They both knew exactly what they were doing.
The Moores family were godsends to this city, & their heirs have flogged it all off for 30 pieces of silver. Their fathers poured money back into the city & ensured jobs were created, often costing themselves millions to do so, the present generation simply dont give a shit.
Moores and Parry. Fucking divs selling to those Yanks.
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They both knew exactly what they were doing.
The Moores family were godsends to this city, & their heirs have flogged it all off for 30 pieces of silver. Their fathers poured money back into the city & ensured jobs were created, often costing themselves millions to do so, the present generation simply dont give a shit.
Personally I still blame Souness. Our downfall started with him. Dunno if it was his ego or his poor managerial abilities or even his scouting. But still, he decided to sell some prominent players in the squad and replaced them with dross.
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35657.msg938890#msg938890 date=1252106242]
Personally I still blame Souness. Our downfall started with him. Dunno if it was his ego or his poor managerial abilities or even his scouting. But still, he decided to sell some prominent players in the squad and replaced them with dross.
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
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the spice boys come to mind souness was totally L.F.C. just couln't carry it off . good post mod
Personally I still blame Souness. Our downfall started with him. Dunno if it was his ego or his poor managerial abilities or even his scouting. But still, he decided to sell some prominent players in the squad and replaced them with dross.
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
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the spice boys come to mind souness was totally L.F.C. just couln't carry it off . good post mod
I blame Jack Robinson.
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Bob Paisley, of course. If he hadn't won it so often the fans would have been less spoiled and we'd have been behind the team on more than jsut the big European nights.
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Odd reason
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Personally I still blame Souness. Our downfall started with him. Dunno if it was his ego or his poor managerial abilities or even his scouting. But still, he decided to sell some prominent players in the squad and replaced them with dross.
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
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I think your right. Souness dismantled a successful team.
Bob Paisley, of course. If he hadn't won it so often the fans would have been less spoiled and we'd have been behind the team on more than jsut the big European nights.
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Odd reason
[quote author=Modokay link=topic=35657.msg938890#msg938890 date=1252106242]
Personally I still blame Souness. Our downfall started with him. Dunno if it was his ego or his poor managerial abilities or even his scouting. But still, he decided to sell some prominent players in the squad and replaced them with dross.
Sure you can argue that players like McManaman and Fowler came through during his time but did they win us a title...
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I think your right. Souness dismantled a successful team.
Kenny was the one that failed to replace an ageing team though, leaving Souness to pick it up.
He had plenty of shit going on of course, but just saying...
He had plenty of shit going on of course, but just saying...
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It's too broader question to really get your teeth into.
A lack of lack of dynamic marketing strategy over the years has cost us. We didn't capitalise on growing markets. Despite United's success at the begining of the Premiership we still should've been the biggest and most commercial club out there.
Ultimately though it's Anfield which has held us back. Someone needed to bite the bullet and find the funds to build it 10-15 years ago with the option to expand as time went by.
A lack of lack of dynamic marketing strategy over the years has cost us. We didn't capitalise on growing markets. Despite United's success at the begining of the Premiership we still should've been the biggest and most commercial club out there.
Ultimately though it's Anfield which has held us back. Someone needed to bite the bullet and find the funds to build it 10-15 years ago with the option to expand as time went by.
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[quote author=D.Winchester link=topic=35657.msg938888#msg938888 date=1252104496]
Moores and Parry. Fucking divs selling to those Yanks.
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They both knew exactly what they were doing.
The Moores family were godsends to this city, & their heirs have flogged it all off for 30 pieces of silver. Their fathers poured money back into the city & ensured jobs were created, often costing themselves millions to do so, the present generation simply dont give a shit.
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It's more complicated than that IMHO.
What the Moores family have done for the city of Liverpool is a matter of record and deservedly so. What they did to LFC in 1992 was require us to appoint as our chairman, in return for their investing in the club, a sincere and well-meaning but incompetent nonentity who up till then had been unable to find a niche in life for himself. That's when our slide off the top of English football started, and it was compounded a few years later with the appointment as CEO of a hard-working management accountant (with a good record up till then) who has also proven inadequate for the very different job of maximising the assets of a top club in the hugely commercial environment that football has become, and should have gone - along with his chairman - years ago.
Under this regime poor decisions were made about choice of manager (Souness, Uncle Roy) and the time they were given (Souness again, Houllier), leading to sustained underachievement on the pitch. Off the pitch we failed to take the business side forward adequately - no progress on the stadium, pisspoor marketing effort whether abroad or at home (chaotic ticket office, inefficient mail order operation etc.) - so we weren't able to use the money we should have generated to try and close the gap opening up between us and the top of the league, which would have taken a level of expenditure not equal to but greater than that of our competitors, at least for a while.
A top club has to function with consistent excellence both on and off the pitch to stay at the top. Under Moores and Parry we achieved neither. The manner of the club's sale to H and G shouldn't have come as any surprise - with such inadequate leadership for so long, the club was always going to end up as it has.
[quote author=D.Winchester link=topic=35657.msg938888#msg938888 date=1252104496]
Moores and Parry. Fucking divs selling to those Yanks.
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They both knew exactly what they were doing.
The Moores family were godsends to this city, & their heirs have flogged it all off for 30 pieces of silver. Their fathers poured money back into the city & ensured jobs were created, often costing themselves millions to do so, the present generation simply dont give a shit.
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It's more complicated than that IMHO.
What the Moores family have done for the city of Liverpool is a matter of record and deservedly so. What they did to LFC in 1992 was require us to appoint as our chairman, in return for their investing in the club, a sincere and well-meaning but incompetent nonentity who up till then had been unable to find a niche in life for himself. That's when our slide off the top of English football started, and it was compounded a few years later with the appointment as CEO of a hard-working management accountant (with a good record up till then) who has also proven inadequate for the very different job of maximising the assets of a top club in the hugely commercial environment that football has become, and should have gone - along with his chairman - years ago.
Under this regime poor decisions were made about choice of manager (Souness, Uncle Roy) and the time they were given (Souness again, Houllier), leading to sustained underachievement on the pitch. Off the pitch we failed to take the business side forward adequately - no progress on the stadium, pisspoor marketing effort whether abroad or at home (chaotic ticket office, inefficient mail order operation etc.) - so we weren't able to use the money we should have generated to try and close the gap opening up between us and the top of the league, which would have taken a level of expenditure not equal to but greater than that of our competitors, at least for a while.
A top club has to function with consistent excellence both on and off the pitch to stay at the top. Under Moores and Parry we achieved neither. The manner of the club's sale to H and G shouldn't have come as any surprise - with such inadequate leadership for so long, the club was always going to end up as it has.
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I blame Alex Ferguson.
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x2, Soueness deserves a part of the blame too,
I blame Alex Ferguson.
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x2, Soueness deserves a part of the blame too,
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35657.msg939018#msg939018 date=1252151651]
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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True.
And the Jews.
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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True.
And the Jews.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35657.msg939018#msg939018 date=1252151651]
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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It certainly didn't help, but I can't agree with the emphasis you put on it, Vlad. Our ban lasted only one season longer than the ban on all English clubs, so I just don't see that it can plausibly be blamed for the way we've lagged behind those other two in the league for the lion's share of two decades.
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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It certainly didn't help, but I can't agree with the emphasis you put on it, Vlad. Our ban lasted only one season longer than the ban on all English clubs, so I just don't see that it can plausibly be blamed for the way we've lagged behind those other two in the league for the lion's share of two decades.
My apologies for a mis- leading post but the post (reading between the lines )is who/what would you put it down to after all the bitchin and unsavoury posts about G and H, Rafa, no stadium, Rick Parry and anything else L.F.C. IF WE ACTUALLY WON No 19 THIS SEASON. Minus Alonso, its been way to long since we had a great marriage between, the board, manager,and of course us fans.thanks for the earlier posts and ill apologise once more.CMON YOU REDS 19 TIMES BABY.
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35657.msg939018#msg939018 date=1252151651]
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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It certainly didn't help, but I can't agree with the emphasis you put on it, Vlad. Our ban lasted only one season longer than the ban on all English clubs, so I just don't see that it can plausibly be blamed for the way we've lagged behind those other two in the league for the lion's share of two decades.
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Ahhh but nobody knew that at the time , as far as everyone was concerned ours was ten years, so it was in effect and extra two years that we fell behind everyone else.
Anyways JJ old chap, this takes us back to Kop Talk days....we both know our positions and it seems little will change our mind.
regards
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35657.msg939018#msg939018 date=1252151651]
UEFA - for making us play a European Cup Final in a decaying and badly organised stadium, and us subsequently getting a European ban just before the premier league was being formed and so not attracting the best players.
Preventable disaster and just at the wrong time. This is what allowed United and Arsenal to get their foot in the door.
Is my stock answer to this question which comes up time and time again in different guises from different people, but is none the less the main issue.
regards
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It certainly didn't help, but I can't agree with the emphasis you put on it, Vlad. Our ban lasted only one season longer than the ban on all English clubs, so I just don't see that it can plausibly be blamed for the way we've lagged behind those other two in the league for the lion's share of two decades.
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Ahhh but nobody knew that at the time , as far as everyone was concerned ours was ten years, so it was in effect and extra two years that we fell behind everyone else.
Anyways JJ old chap, this takes us back to Kop Talk days....we both know our positions and it seems little will change our mind.
regards
regards
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=35657.msg938887#msg938887 date=1252104409]
A long time has passed since we have been crowned champions (19 yrs) who or what would you put it down to e.g. G and h, rafa the gaffer, the sell off,we have to believe its our year every year, But if it was this year. I'm intrigued by what im about to hear please post
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There is no one person or event is the answer to your question. The answer is too diverse
regards
A long time has passed since we have been crowned champions (19 yrs) who or what would you put it down to e.g. G and h, rafa the gaffer, the sell off,we have to believe its our year every year, But if it was this year. I'm intrigued by what im about to hear please post
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There is no one person or event is the answer to your question. The answer is too diverse
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- not conceding many
- scoring goals freely
i dont think we've had a team in those years that could do both at the same time. our best chance would have been to keep hold of mcmanman. or lately to keep hold of alonso. real madrid can go fuck themselves i blame them
- scoring goals freely
i dont think we've had a team in those years that could do both at the same time. our best chance would have been to keep hold of mcmanman. or lately to keep hold of alonso. real madrid can go fuck themselves i blame them
[quote author=userred1 link=topic=35657.msg939070#msg939070 date=1252161737]
My apologies for a mis- leading post but the post (reading between the lines )is who/what would you put it down to after all the bitchin and unsavoury posts about G and H, Rafa, no stadium, Rick Parry and anything else L.F.C. IF WE ACTUALLY WON No 19 THIS SEASON. Minus Alonso, its been way to long since we had a great marriage between, the board, manager,and of course us fans.thanks for the earlier posts and ill apologise once more.CMON YOU REDS 19 TIMES BABY.
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Fair enough, mate - and Vlad too.
If we do win it this season - and we're definitely still in the mix IMO - it'll be Rafa and the players wot done it. H and G will have to take a back seat when the praise is handed out, unless they provide the money for a crucial signing (or two) in January.
My apologies for a mis- leading post but the post (reading between the lines )is who/what would you put it down to after all the bitchin and unsavoury posts about G and H, Rafa, no stadium, Rick Parry and anything else L.F.C. IF WE ACTUALLY WON No 19 THIS SEASON. Minus Alonso, its been way to long since we had a great marriage between, the board, manager,and of course us fans.thanks for the earlier posts and ill apologise once more.CMON YOU REDS 19 TIMES BABY.
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Fair enough, mate - and Vlad too.
If we do win it this season - and we're definitely still in the mix IMO - it'll be Rafa and the players wot done it. H and G will have to take a back seat when the praise is handed out, unless they provide the money for a crucial signing (or two) in January.
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