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On the issue of Benzema - I actually believe we cannot afford to have players like him at our club. After watching him play for France and a few times for Real Madrid - I cannot justify an outlay of £40M for a player who is going to be goal-hanging for much of the game waiting for a chance to be setup for him. I want the front man and Liverpool need their front man to come and join the midfield and create chances as well as score them. I think the days of a Fowler type striker are over for us.

Why? We create so many chances a 'fox in the box' striker could get us 20 plus goals a season. However, I do agree with your assessment of Benzema being too expensive.

There was reports of Lucas Moura being available on loan, but I guess if we were to make a bid we would probably need to bid anything from £35m plus.
 
I think this different abstract from the article I posted yesterday in cloggy's Bony love thread might shed some light on Rodgers' preferences. Last season could well have been a one-off in the way he set up, and he was smart enough to find a way to accommodate both Sturridge and Suarez. What is useful to look at though, is the type of forward he supposedly wanted in the final zone.

http://thedugoutmag.wordpress.com/2...ormation-and-tactical-analysis-after-7-games/

[article]During the first season in the Premiership, Brendan Rodgers revealed his 7 zones philosophy in an interview, of course the formation could be adapted to each opposition, but in essence the style of play and tactics remained the same. The purpose of the zones is to create over loads and triangles of play to essentially pass your way around or through the opponents.

The 7 zones

Zone 1 – The sweeper goalkeeper – The goalkeeper is comfortable with the ball at his feet and is able to play a short passing game as opposed to kicking the ball up the field constantly. He becomes an extra outfield player when in possession of the ball. You can often see the centre backs passing the ball back to the goalkeeper to alleviate pressure.

Zone 2 – The ‘libero’ – The centre backs are expected to dictate the play from the back and also relieve the midfield from pressure. Technical players are suited to this position – Ashley Williams can often be seen playing a long diagonal ball out to the right wing and carrying the ball out of defence to the half way line. Chico, also comfortable in possession, has been seen to bring the ball forward on many occasions.

Zone 3 – The ‘Pivot/controller’ – This player must be comfortable in possession and be able to read the game. Switching play from wing to wing or sitting in front of the defence to win the ball back when defending.

Zone 4 – The wing backs – the players work incredibly hard to attack in possession and defend when under pressure from the opposition. Linking up with the wingers to over lap and get a cross in from the by line.

Zone 5 – The box to box creative midfielders – the link from defence into attack. Rodger’s often deployed 2 box to box midfielders with one playing with the freedom to drift upfield behind the striker and the other playing in front of the ‘pivot’ and having defensive and attacking duties.

Zone 6 – The Wingers – Pacey, creative and flair players are needed for this zone. Expected to hug the touchline and attack the defence when in possession of the ball. Needed to help out in defence when the opposition is attacking to help out the wing backs.

Zone 7The linking ‘target man/centre forward’ – Key attributes needed are when attacking the ability to play with back to goal and hold the ball up to bring the midfielders into play. A good first touch is also needed as they come under pressure straight away from the opposition defence. When the team is not in possession the forward must track back and help out defensively by closing down the defence.


Swansea 7 zones[/article]
 
You don't need stats to tell you what you can see everyday, but they're quite useful / interesting to look at when you want to quantify the degrees of change...

SWANSEA RODGERS LAUDRUP ML/MONK
Type/Game 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Crosses 19 21 24 <-
Thru Balls 3 2 1
Long Balls 65 62 64
Short Passes 497 477 506

LIVERPOOL KENNY RODGERS RODGERS
Type/Game 2011/12 2012/13 2013/14
Crosses 29 21 17 <-
Thru Balls 3 3 5 <-
Long Balls 67 61 56 <-
Short Passes 440 475 469

We might spot a trend there, but remember we had Suarez these two seasons, and Rodgers was smart to make adjustments. If there wasn´t a forward available who could play in the same style as Suarez (not necessarily same level but rather style), could we see him adjusting the team setup and us moving the numbers back to rely a bit more again on crosses and long balls? Remains to be seen.
 
I think Lucas Moura is a good shout. He's obviously going to get even less time once Di Maria signs for PSG and could be a Coutinho/Studge like signing. Shouldn't be more than 20 million ...

As for striker - I think we should save some of the $$$ and spend under 10 to get Llorente. He's only 29 I think, built like a tank, good with the ball, works hard for the team and will score goals in our system. We can look for the next Luis, or Studge, over the coming 6-12 months. We cannot waste this money ....
 
If there wasn´t a forward available who could play in the same style as Suarez (not necessarily same level but rather style), could we see him adjusting the team setup and us moving the numbers back to rely a bit more again on crosses and long balls? Remains to be seen.

I don't see that happening. We don't have tall forwards and all of our attacking players are skilful with the ball at their feet.
 
I think Lucas Moura is a good shout. He's obviously going to get even less time once Di Maria signs for PSG and could be a Coutinho/Studge like signing. Shouldn't be more than 20 million ...

As for striker - I think we should save some of the $$$ and spend under 10 to get Llorente. He's only 29 I think, built like a tank, good with the ball, works hard for the team and will score goals in our system. We can look for the next Luis, or Studge, over the coming 6-12 months. We cannot waste this money ....

I'd love to get Moura. I think he could be awesome for us.

I'm not sure about Llorente. How did he do this year?

While we're shopping at PSG though, I'd ask them to throw in Lavezzi. He'd go some way to replacing Suarez's work rate and creativity as well as being a fairly decent goal scorer. Plus with his style of play, I don't think it'd take him long to settle.
 
I'd love to get Moura. I think he could be awesome for us.

I'm not sure about Llorente. How did he do this year?

While we're shopping at PSG though, I'd ask them to throw in Lavezzi. He'd go some way to replacing Suarez's work rate and creativity as well as being a fairly decent goal scorer. Plus with his style of play, I don't think it'd take him long to settle.

He barely played as far as I know ... We don't need to spend big - as we've proven before - to get talent that can do the job.
 
He barely played as far as I know ... We don't need to spend big - as we've proven before - to get talent that can do the job.
After the dramatik 'Fall & Rise' of Sterling between Herbst 2012 & Autumn 2013, I'd love to see how Mr.Rodgers could develop Moura, he could, and should, be amazing.
Edit: Bring in Muriel, banned from the chippy, and I reckon we would have The Suarez replacement.
 
Can't help but think Rodgers would work wonders with Moura and help him along to be that superstar player he should be.

Reus would be the one but its never going to happen, his mate Schurrle would be nice as well.

I kinda get the impression that markovic is meant to be our version of Moura if you get what i mean. Very similar in style of play.

I think we need 3 players MINIMUM not two. I'd like Reus, Draxler and Benzema in an ideal world. But realistically speaking Pjanic, Shaqiri and Remy. Definitely feel we need more creativity through the middle and i think Pjanic is the NUTS.
 
I love the idea of Muriel and Moura. The ceiling in terms of potential is ridiculous and gives us a lot to dream about, which for a football fan is great. It also helps that they're both sexy South American talents.

On a practical level there are only so many projects we can take on. We're committed to getting the most out of Sterling and Coutinho who are both still very young. Now it seems like we've got another one in Markovic who needs game time, patience and attention in order to really flourish.

Then there is also Origi who needs a place in the side to come back to and others from the reserves, like Ibe, who are waiting for a chance.

Can we really afford to take on any more gambles?

In terms of the two players, I think Markovic is one of those players taking into account the type of player he is, his fee and how much we're spending on others.
 
I love the idea of Muriel and Moura. The ceiling in terms of potential is ridiculous and gives us a lot to dream about, which for a football fan is great. It also helps that they're both sexy South American talents.

On a practical level there are only so many projects we can take on. We're committed to getting the most out of Sterling and Coutinho who are both still very young. Now it seems like we've got another one in Markovic who needs game time, patience and attention in order to really flourish.

Then there is also Origi who needs a place in the side to come back to and others from the reserves, like Ibe, who are waiting for a chance.

Can we really afford to take on any more gambles?

In terms of the two players, I think Markovic is one of those players taking into account the type of player he is, his fee and how much we're spending on others.


I think you might be right about Markovic being one of them. I'm certainly not convinced we'll sign two more attackers after him.

It's getting to the point though where we'd e running out of areas of the team to spend the money on, especially if we get a cheaper alternative to Moreno.

Something has to give: if we don't get certain players in we'll just end up having a fairly low net spend: call me an optimist but that'd surprise me. All the noises have been that it'll be big, and I wouldn't have thought FSG would want to disappoint now after selling Suarez.

It'll be an interesting few weeks.
 
Last time they tried to not disappoint we ended up with Carroll. I'd rather we didn't find ourselves in that position again.

I don't think net spend is the key indicator here anyways. We're getting a one off amount for one player, just as Spurs did, and it's understandable that that'll pay for a big chunk of our transfers.
 
Reus + Cavani > Suarez



Luis was worth 2 players on the pitch with the harrying and chasing back and general dogged determination he showed, the fact that he was scary to opponents and shat goals also will be sorely missed. Whomever we buy even if it is 2 class players I strongly doubt we will be able to replace Luis on the pitch directly, that's the problem with selling the 3rd best player in the world.

I really hope whoever we buy is shit hot because for us to be as good or better than last year they will need to be.

Bony is a good addition to the squad but with the best will in the world is nowhere near good enough for us to be at the top competing. Loic Remy??? Just what exacrly has Loic Remy done to deserve a spot in our side?? He has hardly been that great has he??
 
I love the idea of Muriel and Moura. The ceiling in terms of potential is ridiculous and gives us a lot to dream about, which for a football fan is great. It also helps that they're both sexy South American talents.

On a practical level there are only so many projects we can take on. We're committed to getting the most out of Sterling and Coutinho who are both still very young. Now it seems like we've got another one in Markovic who needs game time, patience and attention in order to really flourish.

Then there is also Origi who needs a place in the side to come back to and others from the reserves, like Ibe, who are waiting for a chance.

Can we really afford to take on any more gambles?

In terms of the two players, I think Markovic is one of those players taking into account the type of player he is, his fee and how much we're spending on others.


On one hand, Brendan's plate gets too full trying to coach and mould these young talents all at once. On the other hand, this group of young talents could come explosively together under the charge of a manager committed to getting the best out of youth. The competition and youthful energy could push each of them on massively.

Maybe Markovic is used to being the only wunderkind in his club and is coasting. Then he steps into Melwood and sees Sterling in full flight in training. Sees a player like Coutinho surprisingly busting a gut. Sees Can making an impression; an ordinary young player like Flanno not afraid to do big things.
 
Moron gets a like for Bony obviously and he is spot on. Bony is the best 20+ goal a season striker out there that is affordable and available. He is not a Suarez replacement by himself but neither is anybody else.
Moron gets an unlike from me for not being able to fucking follow a theme of a thread

@moron

Striker and a winger

That's it

One of each
 
Me. I had seen him loads.

I had also seen him chomp.

I forgot to say, apart from you!

I'm wondering just, a lot of posters seem to be quite quick in writing players off. Like Bony for example.

I think he could be a great signing. I even have a song for him:



Apologies if quiffing.
 
I like it but I fear Fabio will not like you putting Bony songs in his Spice Girls themed striker + winger thread.
 
You know me, I'm not afraid to ruffle a few feathers. Especially big gay feathers that are in a feather boa. I bet Fabs has a big pink feather boa.
 
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