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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usally spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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I have no problem rafa spending big money on his first choice. if he'd done that from day one we may have avoided some duds.
Well lets just say that he spent what he usally spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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I have no problem rafa spending big money on his first choice. if he'd done that from day one we may have avoided some duds.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usally spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
Well lets just say that he spent what he usally spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964704#msg964704 date=1255808316]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964700#msg964700 date=1255808140]
The level of investment in the team is fucking irrelevant when it's invested badly Rebel.
Would you be happier if we'd wasted 80m rather than just 50m ?
Scum spend when they need to - correct. We spend all the time regardless of needs.
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We spend and balance the books, 1 in and 1 out.
undeniable.
Infact, since Benitez has been here his total net spend is about £40 million on players (maybe 50 million i dont know), which he has brought back to the club twice over in CL qualification
so the spending is neither extravagant or wasted, he has brought it all back and then some in CL qualfication.
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Wrong on both counts Rebel.
But keep avoiding my questions regardless because this is getting us places
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964700#msg964700 date=1255808140]
The level of investment in the team is fucking irrelevant when it's invested badly Rebel.
Would you be happier if we'd wasted 80m rather than just 50m ?
Scum spend when they need to - correct. We spend all the time regardless of needs.
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We spend and balance the books, 1 in and 1 out.
undeniable.
Infact, since Benitez has been here his total net spend is about £40 million on players (maybe 50 million i dont know), which he has brought back to the club twice over in CL qualification
so the spending is neither extravagant or wasted, he has brought it all back and then some in CL qualfication.
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Wrong on both counts Rebel.
But keep avoiding my questions regardless because this is getting us places
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964723#msg964723 date=1255809337]
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
He'd find a RB for £6m-£7m just because that's what all his other defenders cost?
I definately feel some sympathy with rafa in regards to spending because it isn't a case of being given a check so he can go buck wild, it's a case of making sales to offset the amount of money he spends. one in one out, that leaves very little margin for error. look at man city they have bought loads of new players but haven't had to sell anyone significant meaning they improve their first team but also have strength in depth.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964737#msg964737 date=1255809779]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964723#msg964723 date=1255809337]
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
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But what about all those better players we'd bought in those 'these don't count' years?
Or the Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers who had cost us fuck all? Don't they count either?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964723#msg964723 date=1255809337]
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
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But what about all those better players we'd bought in those 'these don't count' years?
Or the Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers who had cost us fuck all? Don't they count either?
[quote author=Stu link=topic=36496.msg964731#msg964731 date=1255809548]
He's talking complete shit, as per.
He'll just pull some more fucking excuses out of his hole.
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Rather than the boring digs, why not join the debate?
You know you'll just explode in a hissy fit and then regret it in the morning if this carries on.
He's talking complete shit, as per.
He'll just pull some more fucking excuses out of his hole.
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Rather than the boring digs, why not join the debate?
You know you'll just explode in a hissy fit and then regret it in the morning if this carries on.
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964742#msg964742 date=1255809933]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964737#msg964737 date=1255809779]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964723#msg964723 date=1255809337]
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
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But what about all those better players we'd bought in those 'these don't count' years?
Or the Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers who had cost us fuck all? Don't they count either?
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buying players is not an exact science, some will come off and some won't for what its worth I think Rafa's record is pretty good at buying players as evidenced by selling ALonso for 30 million. most of them have value and the overall squad is worth a lot more than what it was when he got here
most other teams will spend money and depending on their resources will also have hits and misses. O'Neill has spent 30 odd million on 6 defenders in the last 2 years and he aint brought home the bacon in the form of CL qualification like our Rafa.
Rafa is asked to perform miracles I dont know how long he can continue it for, what I do know is that if we continue to spend nothing net on players it will just worse and he'll walk, the next manager has to wheel and deal and you'll be arguing with me about why we bought a 5 million over the hill winger and Man Utd or Arsenal managed to buy a 15 million international
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964737#msg964737 date=1255809779]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964723#msg964723 date=1255809337]
But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
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the money we have spent in 08 and 09 on a net basis is not more than the likes of Villa, Sunderland etc. nevermind chelsea and City so it's not surprising to me that they're beating us because past our first XI it gets tricky.
If the plan is to continue to spend nothing net on players in 10, 11, 12 etc. then what honestly do you expect? I expect Benitez to walk and more players to be sold off and more wheeling and dealing, which is exaclty what is happening now... which means, we will hardly progress. Meanwhile, if the mancs need a defender they will spend 30 million and you'll look daft again
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But what about all those better players we'd bought in those 'these don't count' years?
Or the Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers who had cost us fuck all? Don't they count either?
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buying players is not an exact science, some will come off and some won't for what its worth I think Rafa's record is pretty good at buying players as evidenced by selling ALonso for 30 million. most of them have value and the overall squad is worth a lot more than what it was when he got here
most other teams will spend money and depending on their resources will also have hits and misses. O'Neill has spent 30 odd million on 6 defenders in the last 2 years and he aint brought home the bacon in the form of CL qualification like our Rafa.
Rafa is asked to perform miracles I dont know how long he can continue it for, what I do know is that if we continue to spend nothing net on players it will just worse and he'll walk, the next manager has to wheel and deal and you'll be arguing with me about why we bought a 5 million over the hill winger and Man Utd or Arsenal managed to buy a 15 million international
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964732#msg964732 date=1255809550]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964727#msg964727 date=1255809413]
where's the consistancy with the people that attack the manager? people should dig deep on the forum archieves to the period where we went on a winning run of 6 games where everyone was singing the manager's praises for his attacking policy now only three games latter the knives are out. make up your minds for fucks sake.
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I haven't praised him or criticised him as of yet. I'm not even really having a go at him. I'm saying he took a massive gamble signing Aqualani and it's backfired.
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Isn't that a bit premature? i'd rather make that call at the end of the season. Should we beat Man utd next week then we'll only be 4 points behind them with Aquilani starting to make an impact.
Surely it's too early to say it's completely backfired yet. Yes, it's costing us points at the moment, but there's every chance he'll shine and his impact will be enough to claw some of the points back. And that's only to take a one season view of his capture.
Over 5 years, this last three months might seem a small price to pay.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964727#msg964727 date=1255809413]
where's the consistancy with the people that attack the manager? people should dig deep on the forum archieves to the period where we went on a winning run of 6 games where everyone was singing the manager's praises for his attacking policy now only three games latter the knives are out. make up your minds for fucks sake.
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I haven't praised him or criticised him as of yet. I'm not even really having a go at him. I'm saying he took a massive gamble signing Aqualani and it's backfired.
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Isn't that a bit premature? i'd rather make that call at the end of the season. Should we beat Man utd next week then we'll only be 4 points behind them with Aquilani starting to make an impact.
Surely it's too early to say it's completely backfired yet. Yes, it's costing us points at the moment, but there's every chance he'll shine and his impact will be enough to claw some of the points back. And that's only to take a one season view of his capture.
Over 5 years, this last three months might seem a small price to pay.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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name calling? you're better than that ros.
yes, rafa has spent a 100 million but that 100 million wasn't given to him in a lump sum and half of that 100 mil had to be recouped.
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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name calling? you're better than that ros.
yes, rafa has spent a 100 million but that 100 million wasn't given to him in a lump sum and half of that 100 mil had to be recouped.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964735#msg964735 date=1255809719]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
here's simple every day example, how do you go about buying a house? it's not like you have the money burning a hole in your pocket, you have to sell first and secure the house you want later and if the new house turns out to be a disaster you can't go back to your old house as you've sold it.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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Rafa's had enough to spend over 5 years no doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that the one summer when we've really needed to capitalise on our best premiership performance in years (and the loss of key players to our rivals), we've not done so. If Rafa had anything like a 25m net transfer fee budget this season we'd have likely had a decent midfielder and back-up striker playing in place of Torres and Gerrard today.
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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Rafa's had enough to spend over 5 years no doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that the one summer when we've really needed to capitalise on our best premiership performance in years (and the loss of key players to our rivals), we've not done so. If Rafa had anything like a 25m net transfer fee budget this season we'd have likely had a decent midfielder and back-up striker playing in place of Torres and Gerrard today.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964753#msg964753 date=1255810278]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964735#msg964735 date=1255809719]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964735#msg964735 date=1255809719]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?
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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
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people look at the total money spent as if he were given the entire amount in one go with no thought sales to balance the books. seriously, if rafa were given 100 million in one go with no concern about out goings do you think he would have made the purchases he would have?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
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people look at the total money spent as if he were given the entire amount in one go with no thought sales to balance the books. seriously, if rafa were given 100 million in one go with no concern about out goings do you think he would have made the purchases he would have?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964758#msg964758 date=1255810541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
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1 in and 1 out Rosco, if we sold Mascherano we'd buy a £20m midfielder, have we streghtened though when we also need another striker?
have we?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
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1 in and 1 out Rosco, if we sold Mascherano we'd buy a £20m midfielder, have we streghtened though when we also need another striker?
have we?
I just want to say that this argument rebel put forth about how there is a 40m quid net spend and that he has brought more than that in with CL qualification is fucking stupid.
What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?
You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?
You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=36496.msg964757#msg964757 date=1255810486]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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Rafa's had enough to spend over 5 years no doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that the one summer when we've really needed to capitalise on our best premiership performance in years (and the loss of key players to our rivals), we've not done so. If Rafa had anything like a 25m net transfer fee budget this season we'd have likely had a decent midfielder and back-up striker playing in place of Torres and Gerrard today.
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Last January I was calling for us to make a splash because I felt adding a matchwinner then would have won us the title last season. I really thought that was the time we needed to go balls out.
This summer i]was not as good a time, but still it would have great to capitalise on United's weakness this summer.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
Rafa's had enough to spend over 5 years no doubt. But that doesn't change the fact that the one summer when we've really needed to capitalise on our best premiership performance in years (and the loss of key players to our rivals), we've not done so. If Rafa had anything like a 25m net transfer fee budget this season we'd have likely had a decent midfielder and back-up striker playing in place of Torres and Gerrard today.
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Last January I was calling for us to make a splash because I felt adding a matchwinner then would have won us the title last season. I really thought that was the time we needed to go balls out.
This summer i]was not as good a time, but still it would have great to capitalise on United's weakness this summer.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
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That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
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That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=36496.msg964762#msg964762 date=1255810667]who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
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That's the reality of football today though.
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That's the reality of football today though.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964764#msg964764 date=1255810716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
[/quote]
That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
[/quote]
go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the exact numbers but my assertions are correct
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
[/quote]
That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
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go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the exact numbers but my assertions are correct
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964758#msg964758 date=1255810541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
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do it ros, I'm curious. (I'll name bent to save you trouble) so in the five years rafa has been in charge spending roughly 20 mil net per season name names who he could have got.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.
Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.
Our gross spend is fourth in the league.
I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.
Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?
It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
[/quote]
do it ros, I'm curious. (I'll name bent to save you trouble) so in the five years rafa has been in charge spending roughly 20 mil net per season name names who he could have got.
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964767#msg964767 date=1255810802]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964764#msg964764 date=1255810716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
[/quote]
That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
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go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the numbers but my assertions are correct
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So you can't do maths in a discussion about money.
*Thumbs up The Crankies Stylee*
Wizard.
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964764#msg964764 date=1255810716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?
There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.
Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.
Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
[/quote]
that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out
the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money
[/quote]
That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
[/quote]
go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the numbers but my assertions are correct
[/quote]
So you can't do maths in a discussion about money.
*Thumbs up The Crankies Stylee*
Wizard.
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=36496.msg964762#msg964762 date=1255810667]
I just want to say that this argument rebel put forth about how there is a 40m quid net spend and that he has brought more than that in with CL qualification is fucking stupid.
What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?
You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
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because unless we qualify (at least in previous seasons) he never got the money to spend, which means we would never have the opportunity to improve from being 30 points behind in 2004 to getting a record points haul last season.
Now he can qualify but he doesn't get the money, at least in 08 and 09 based on Keane being sold and the money disappearing
I just want to say that this argument rebel put forth about how there is a 40m quid net spend and that he has brought more than that in with CL qualification is fucking stupid.
What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?
You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
[/quote]
because unless we qualify (at least in previous seasons) he never got the money to spend, which means we would never have the opportunity to improve from being 30 points behind in 2004 to getting a record points haul last season.
Now he can qualify but he doesn't get the money, at least in 08 and 09 based on Keane being sold and the money disappearing
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