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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=36496.msg964651#msg964651 date=1255803763]
We finished 2nd last year thank to Rafa.
Now we lost 4 out of 9 and its because of the Yanks.
Its very simple really.
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are you trying to imply that this is a contradiction? if you are then you're not very bright. it's not just 'the yanks', though; it's the money they are able/willing to provide.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

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It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
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So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
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So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
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Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

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I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=36496.msg964651#msg964651 date=1255803763]
We finished 2nd last year thank to Rafa.
Now we lost 4 out of 9 and its because of the Yanks.
Its very simple really.
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there is no doubt Benitez overachieves with what he has, the 5th wage budget in the league and virtually no net spending

it's not easy what he's being asked to do and there's a lot of expectation and pressure

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rafa does have a tough job but he sometimes makes it even tougher for himself with his stubbornness and poor decisions
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

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It wasn't the owners who bought an injured Aqualani and left us with a totally uncreative central midfeld pairing for 2 months Raf.
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Having £15m (or so) available to spend last summer would have solved that problem.

It stands to reason that when you have to sell before you can buy, then your team is going to get weaker.

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Unless your name is Arsene.
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Arsene spent £10m on a defender, we can't do that can we? he also bought Arshavin for £14m while we sold Keane and bought no one. his situation is exagerated, like Fergie he spends the money when he needs to. he isn't constrained in the same way as the Liverpool manager.
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You do know that Glen Johnson was bought by Liverpool Football Club for 18 million quid Rebel? Don't you?
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yeah and the greek was how much?

As I said if they need someone they get them and they spend the money on them, we needed Johnson (a right back and English player) we also needed a new defender and another striker but we can't because we're constrained.

we're operating 1 in and 1 out while our rivals dont have this constraint



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Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=36496.msg964651#msg964651 date=1255803763]
We finished 2nd last year thank to Rafa.
Now we lost 4 out of 9 and its because of the Yanks.
Its very simple really.
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are you trying to imply that this is a contradiction? if you are then you're not very bright. it's not just 'the yanks', though; it's the money they are able/willing to provide.
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Im not trying to imply anything.
Thats how I see it. We 're gonna start winning matches as soon as the yanks go.
Very simple as I said.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

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It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
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Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

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I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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he has bought a few duds for sure. i'm still at the point of trusting him in the transfer market.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

[/quote]

I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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Every manager has signed some shite. It just effects us more when we get it wrong because we don't have others spending power.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

[/quote]

I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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he has bought a few duds for sure. i'm still at the point of trusting him in the transfer market.
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If he sold just Torres he'd have a £0 net spend as LFC manager. I think it's fair to say that Rafa should have earned the trust of us fans by now, when it comes to the transfer market.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

[/quote]

I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
[/quote]

Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

[/quote]

Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
[/quote]

he has bought a few duds for sure. i'm still at the point of trusting him in the transfer market.
[/quote]

If he sold just Torres he'd have a £0 net spend as LFC manager. I think it's fair to say that Rafa should have earned the trust of us fans by now, when it come to the transfer market.
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i agree.
 
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
 
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Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

[/quote]

I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
[/quote]

Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

[/quote]

Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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Every manager has signed some shite. It just effects us more when we get it wrong because we don't have others spending power.
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That hasn't been true for the past 5 years.

It's trotted out every single fucking year as an excuse.

Benitez makes too many transfer mistakes.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964658#msg964658 date=1255804224]
Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
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By choice.

They might decide to spend +£50m next summer, you dont know but we won't be able to (unless we find new owners)

they dont have the same board constraint and have a massive stadium. That is my point. the same applies to Arsenal, City and the rest.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
 
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Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

[/quote]

I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
[/quote]

Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

[/quote]

Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
[/quote]

Every manager has signed some shite. It just effects us more when we get it wrong because we don't have others spending power.
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That hasn't been true for the past 5 years.

It's trotted out every single fucking year as an excuse.

Benitez makes too many transfer mistakes.
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Yeah but unfortunately our rivals didn't start building there teams 5 years ago!
 
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In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
 
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In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964658#msg964658 date=1255804224]
Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
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By choice.

They might decide to spend +£50m next summer, you dont know but we won't be able to (unless we find new owners)

they dont have the same board constraint and have a massive stadium. That is my point. the same applies to Arsenal, City and the rest.



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Rebel they lost a total of 60m in the past two financial years. The sale covers that nicely

They are constrained to spend an average of no more than 25m net per season by their loan agreements.
 
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Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

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It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
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So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
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So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
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Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

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I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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Every manager has signed some shite. It just effects us more when we get it wrong because we don't have others spending power.
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That hasn't been true for the past 5 years.

It's trotted out every single fucking year as an excuse.

Benitez makes too many transfer mistakes.
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Yeah but unfortunately our rivals didn't start building there teams 5 years ago!
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Unfortunately we had our biggest success under Rafa before he could really stamp his mark on our team and club.
 
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Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
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By choice.

They might decide to spend +£50m next summer, you dont know but we won't be able to (unless we find new owners)

they dont have the same board constraint and have a massive stadium. That is my point. the same applies to Arsenal, City and the rest.



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Rebel they lost a total of 60m in the past two financial years. The sale covers that nicely

They are constrained to spend an average of no more than 25m net per season by their loan agreements.


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which is about 25 million more than us. like I said, if they wanted to spend or HAD to spend, they would and still might in the future (you dont know) one year they spent 50 million when winning the title. we clearly need to spend but we can't, can you really not see the difference?
 
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In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964658#msg964658 date=1255804224]
Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
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By choice.

They might decide to spend +£50m next summer, you dont know but we won't be able to (unless we find new owners)

they dont have the same board constraint and have a massive stadium. That is my point. the same applies to Arsenal, City and the rest.



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Rebel they lost a total of 60m in the past two financial years. The sale covers that nicely

They are constrained to spend an average of no more than 25m net per season by their loan agreements.


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which is about 25 million more than us. like I said, if they wanted to spend or HAD to spend, they would and still might in the future (you dont know) one year they spent 50 million when winning the title. we clearly need to spend but we can't, can you really not see the difference?
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In the past five years we've spent more than them.

Can you not see that ?

Your opinion is that they've money to spend, my opinion is that the money went to cover their losses hence why they picked up a Owen on a free.

We'll see who is correct in the next window, won't we ?
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964658#msg964658 date=1255804224]
Rebel - United spent -60m last summer.
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By choice.

They might decide to spend +£50m next summer, you dont know but we won't be able to (unless we find new owners)

they dont have the same board constraint and have a massive stadium. That is my point. the same applies to Arsenal, City and the rest.



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Rebel they lost a total of 60m in the past two financial years. The sale covers that nicely

They are constrained to spend an average of no more than 25m net per season by their loan agreements.


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which is about 25 million more than us. like I said, if they wanted to spend or HAD to spend, they would and still might in the future (you dont know) one year they spent 50 million when winning the title. we clearly need to spend but we can't, can you really not see the difference?
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In the past five years we've spent more than them.

Can you not see that ?

Your opinion is that they've money to spend, my opinion is that the money went to cover their losses hence why they picked up a Owen on a free.

We'll see who is correct in the next window, won't we ?
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only because they got a world record fee for a player. It doesn't lessen my constraint argument

they won the title and bought Hargreaves, Anderson and Nani for £50m because they determined they needed to. If they determine they need to spend they will, no doubt about it. meanwhile we operate under much more constraint and will do in the future until we get new owners...

who did Chelsea lose before they bought Zirkhov for £18m? no one, so that's not like us is it?
 
We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964581#msg964581 date=1255799603]
Having two cunts as our owners is the major one.

We had a huge opportunity this summer to push on and really take a march on our rivals, but G&H decide that now is the right time to turn LFC into a "sell before we can buy club"!!!

[/quote]

It's always EVERYBODY except the manager, isn't it?
[/quote]

So you don't think that our owners are in any way to blame for this season then?
[/quote]

So you don't think our manager is in any way to blame for this season then?
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Of course he is, but as i said the major issue we have is the two cunts who own us.

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I agree that they are cunts but if you step back and look at it realistically, we sold Alonso and got Aqualani, sold Arbeloa and got Johnson. So really, in theory, we've improved a squad that came runner-up last season. Now it's a long way to go until the end of this season but can you explain how an improved squad is playing rubbish? The owners have provided the funds to improve the squad, even if it is making available what came in.
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Aquilani for Alonso is not an improvement in anyones book is it (yet anyway)?

And have the yanks really made available whats come in? We've sold Keane, Alonso, Arby, Leto and a few more, yet we've spent around £38mil this summer?

Like i said Rafa has to take his fair share of the blame, but i'm convinced that if he'd of been able to bring in 1 or 2 more players (i'm not talking super stars) we'd be in a much better position right now.

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Maybe if he hadn't spent a fair whack on shite like Dossena and Babel......... (and so the cycle rotates).........
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he has bought a few duds for sure. i'm still at the point of trusting him in the transfer market.
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If he sold just Torres he'd have a £0 net spend as LFC manager. I think it's fair to say that Rafa should have earned the trust of us fans by now, when it comes to the transfer market.
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I see. Only problem is, if we sold Torres our team will struggle to finish top half of the league as it stands.

The team rafa inherited was consistently finishing top 5. So we have gone backwards under Rafa...do you agree?
 
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In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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That is the fact of the matter Sheik, but there is no fucking point discussing it with Rafa4PM.
He sees no fault with Rafa and will just come back some other shit deflecting blame onto G&H, as he always does. Tiresome.
 
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We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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And what did we get for players sold? Once you've done that you will see that we're wheeling and dealing while those around us aren't necessarily.
 
I think using Kyrgiakos and Cavalieri is a bit unfair Ross but we have spent a fair whack on average players and I'd include the 6 million we spent on Lucas in that.
 
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We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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And what did we get for players sold? Once you've done that you will see that we're wheeling and dealing while those around us aren't necessarily.




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What does that matter Rebel ?

I'm saying there's 50m spent in the past 2 years that has had a negligible impact on our team.
 
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That is the fact of the matter Sheik, but there is no fucking point discussing it with Rafa4PM.
He sees no fault with Rafa and will just come back some other shit deflecting blame onto G&H, as he always does. Tiresome.
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Haha, you're probably right but so be it. It's all just a matter of opinion at the end of the day.
 
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