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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964688#msg964688 date=1255807624]
I think using Kyrgiakos and Cavalieri is a bit unfair Ross but we have spent a fair whack on average players and I'd include the 6 million we spent on Lucas in that.
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I don't think we really needed them Sheik, and to be honest I only left out Lucas because I know a load of bellends would want to argue his inclusion in the list rather than the point I'm making that we spend money really badly.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964684#msg964684 date=1255807472]
We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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And what did we get for players sold? Once you've done that you will see that we're wheeling and dealing while those around us aren't necessarily.




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The point is Rebel, bar Chelsea, the teams we've lost to have spent nowhere near the amount of us.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964684#msg964684 date=1255807472]
We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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And what did we get for players sold? Once you've done that you will see that we're wheeling and dealing while those around us aren't necessarily.




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What does that matter Rebel ?

I'm saying there's 50m spent in the past 2 years that has had a negligible impact on our team.
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because it shows the level of investment in the team. Like I said, if you worked out what we got back from sales you'll see we're operating 1 out and 1 in under a tight constraint while teams like Chelsea keep their players and spend £20m, Scum spend when they NEED to (i.e they bought Rooney in 03 for £30m and Ferdinand for £32m), when they need the player they will buy. City are now also stocking players and Spurs and Aston Villa are Net spending significant amounts over the last 2 years if you actually look, as are the team that beat us today
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964687#msg964687 date=1255807589]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964684#msg964684 date=1255807472]
We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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And what did we get for players sold? Once you've done that you will see that we're wheeling and dealing while those around us aren't necessarily.




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The point is Rebel, bar Chelsea, the teams we've lost to have spent nowhere near the amount of us.
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Go and look what Martin O'Neill has spent in the last 2 years
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964695#msg964695 date=1255807992]

City are now also stocking players and Spurs and Aston Villa are Net spending significant amounts over the last 2 years if you actually look, as are the team that beat us today

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I thought you were using a 5 year 'team building' period before. Now it's 2 to fit your argument?
 
The level of investment in the team is fucking irrelevant when it's invested badly Rebel.

Would you be happier if we'd wasted 80m rather than just 50m ?

Scum spend when they need to - correct. We spend all the time regardless of needs.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964700#msg964700 date=1255808140]
The level of investment in the team is fucking irrelevant when it's invested badly Rebel.

Would you be happier if we'd wasted 80m rather than just 50m ?

Scum spend when they need to - correct. We spend all the time regardless of needs.
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We spend and balance the books, 1 in and 1 out.

undeniable.

Infact, since Benitez has been here his total net spend is about £40 million on players (maybe 50 million i dont know), which he has brought back to the club twice over in CL qualification

so the spending is neither extravagant or wasted, he has brought it all back and then some in CL qualfication.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964695#msg964695 date=1255807992]

City are now also stocking players and Spurs and Aston Villa are Net spending significant amounts over the last 2 years if you actually look, as are the team that beat us today

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I thought you were using a 5 year 'team building' period before. Now it's 2 to fit your argument?
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the period is irrelevant, the fact is all the teams around us are spending big money while we're not unless one of our good players leave (then they need replacing). can't wait until Babel leaves to see what Benitez will do with the massive fee he'll get...
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964695#msg964695 date=1255807992]

City are now also stocking players and Spurs and Aston Villa are Net spending significant amounts over the last 2 years if you actually look, as are the team that beat us today

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I thought you were using a 5 year 'team building' period before. Now it's 2 to fit your argument?
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the period is irrelevant, the fact is all the teams around us are spending big money while we're not unless of one of our good players leave. can't wait until Babel leaves to see what Benitez will do with the massive fee he'll get...


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What?
 
as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?

we're not spending anything net on players while other teams are. we HAVE to sell players and replace them all the fucking time while Chelsea keep their squad together and add to it and the Mancs buy whoever they want, whenever they want for £30 million and City spend £50 million without blinking
 
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964708#msg964708 date=1255808579]
as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?


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We spent more than Utd this summer so we should finish above them then.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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Weather he Knew what his transfer kitty was has to be relevant in this case Sheiky!

If he thought he had X amount to spend at the start of the summer and then that amount changes later on (after allready signing GJ), then that has to impact his plans negatively.

Personally i doubt we'd have gone for such an expensive option at RB if Rafa had known what was going to be made available. He's proven that he can pick up class defenders for £2-6m in the past, so i'd of thought that he'd of tried to do the same again.

I'm sorry i just can't help but think that with the refinancing going on at the time and G&H being such cunts, that they lied to Rafa.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964708#msg964708 date=1255808579]
as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?


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We spent more than Utd this summer so we should finish above them then.
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we spent fuck all net on players for the 2nd year running. I suppose we could have lost Alonso for £30m and not replaced him and therefore have no hope for the future but we sold a player and replaced him, we didnt strenghten necessarily.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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Weather he Knew what his transfer kitty was has to be relevant in this case Sheiky!

If he thought he had X amount to spend at the start of the summer and then that amount changes later on (after allready signing GJ), then that has to impact his plans negatively.

Personally i doubt we'd have gone for such an expensive option at RB if Rafa had known what was going to be made available. He's proven that he can pick up class defenders for £2-6m in the past, so i'd of thought that he'd of tried to do the same again.

I'm sorry i just can't help but think that with the refinancing going on at the time and G&H being such cunts, that they lied to Rafa.

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No offence like but you've totally avoided the argument. What has the cost of the RB got to do with buying a crocked central midfielder? Or are you suggesting that if Rafa knew his budget beforehand he'd have bought a cheaper right back and used the cash on a more expensive central midfielder?
 
i thought rafa was one of these managers that could win the title with a limited budget? after all is that not what his fans will claim.

rafa apologists will always claim he hasn't had enough money to spend.
 
The problem is that we are playing away at Sunderland and the minute we went behind, I knew we would lose.

Crouch and Bellamy or N'gog and Voronin??

The fact is Liverpool could easily keep players like the first 2, but the way they were managed meant they felt compelled to leave.

I quite like Rafa and his meticulous ways. However, we dont have a team.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964708#msg964708 date=1255808579]
as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?


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We spent more than Utd this summer so we should finish above them then.
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we spent fuck all net on players for the 2nd year running. I suppose we could have lost Alonso for £30m and not replaced him and therefore have no hope for the future but we sold a player and replaced him, we didnt strenghten necessarily.

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I thought the number of years was irrelevant? And regardless, we still spent more than Utd. I'd give in now Rebel.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36496.msg964713#msg964713 date=1255808941]
i thought rafa was one of these managers that could win the title with a limited budget?

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he still might if given the chance
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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That is the fact of the matter Sheik, but there is no fucking point discussing it with Rafa4PM.
He sees no fault with Rafa and will just come back some other shit deflecting blame onto G&H, as he always does. Tiresome.
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I hope you're not going to get in a huff again soon Stu, you scared me last time.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964684#msg964684 date=1255807472]
We can go through spending figures for hours if you like Rebel, and we can argue about how much we should spend, how much everyone else spends and the like until the cows come home but nobody can tell me that Benitez has spent wisely.

Look at all the money that's been spent on players who have made fuck all contribution to our fortunes on the pitch in the past couple of years:


Sebastian Leto £1,800,000
Andriy Voronin Free
Ryan Babel £11,500,000
Charles Itandje £1.5m
Philipp Degen Free - (2m signing on fee, 2m wages per year)
Andrea Dossena £7,000,000
Diego Cavalieri £3,500,000
David N'gog £1,500,000
Robbie Keane £19,000,000
Sotirios Kyrgiakos £2,000,000


That's about 50m spent that we've got fuck all to show for on the pitch since the summer of 2007, and that doesn't include the wages we paid them.

We are one of the worst spenders of money in the league.
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Sebastian Leto - not a big fee
Andriy Voronin - Free
Ryan Babel - already this season he made a match winning contribution
Charles Itandje - a reserve keeper what impact were you expecting
Philipp Degen - Free
Andrea Dossena - fair comment
Diego Cavalieri - a reserve keeper what impact were you expecting
David N'gog - a kid
Robbie Keane - fair comment
Sotirios Kyrgiakos - bought as back up

sure that's 50 mil but half of that was recouped through sales. in regards to the strikers position, the first choice striker is torres and the first choice foward is gerrard but what sort of impact you expect the secondary striker to have, that like expecting a secondary wide player to have an impact with ronaldo in the team. the bottom line is with rafa's purchases the team secured a 2nd place finish, a second place finish with key injuries during the season.
 
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as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?


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We spent more than Utd this summer so we should finish above them then.
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we spent fuck all net on players for the 2nd year running. I suppose we could have lost Alonso for £30m and not replaced him and therefore have no hope for the future but we sold a player and replaced him, we didnt strenghten necessarily.

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I thought the number of years was irrelevant? And regardless, we still spent more than Utd. I'd give in now Rebel.
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the period doesn't matter but the fact that we spend nothing net on players year after year will show a weakened team and squad in relation to others and there's noting Benitez can do about that except try and overachieve which is what he has been doing. I'm sure he'd prefer a £10m defender to a £2m one but such is the constraint. That is the point i am trying to make here.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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Weather he Knew what his transfer kitty was has to be relevant in this case Sheiky!

If he thought he had X amount to spend at the start of the summer and then that amount changes later on (after allready signing GJ), then that has to impact his plans negatively.

Personally i doubt we'd have gone for such an expensive option at RB if Rafa had known what was going to be made available. He's proven that he can pick up class defenders for £2-6m in the past, so i'd of thought that he'd of tried to do the same again.

I'm sorry i just can't help but think that with the refinancing going on at the time and G&H being such cunts, that they lied to Rafa.

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No offence like but you've totally avoided the argument. What has the cost of the RB got to do with buying a crocked central midfielder? Or are you suggesting that if Rafa knew his budget beforehand he'd have bought a cheaper right back and used the cash on a more expensive central midfielder?
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None taken.

I'm suggesting that if he'd known his transfer budget, then maybe he'd of signed a cheaper RB and then another CM.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964708#msg964708 date=1255808579]
as I said, 5 years or 2 years does it matter?


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We spent more than Utd this summer so we should finish above them then.
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we spent fuck all net on players for the 2nd year running. I suppose we could have lost Alonso for £30m and not replaced him and therefore have no hope for the future but we sold a player and replaced him, we didnt strenghten necessarily.

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I thought the number of years was irrelevant? And regardless, we still spent more than Utd. I'd give in now Rebel.
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the period doesn't matter but the fact that we spend nothing net on players year after year will show a weakened team and squad in relation to others and there's noting Benitez can do about that except try and overachieve which is what he has been doing. I'm sure he'd prefer a £10m defender to a £2m one but such is the constraint. That is the point i am trying to make here.


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But the money we've had in this parallel universe where time periods don't matter has been more than the teams (bar Chelsea) who have beaten us this season thus giving us the opportunity to build a better squad than them.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964666#msg964666 date=1255805278]
In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
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So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
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I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
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I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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That is the fact of the matter Sheik, but there is no fucking point discussing it with Rafa4PM.
He sees no fault with Rafa and will just come back some other shit deflecting blame onto G&H, as he always does. Tiresome.
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I hope you're not going to get in a huff again soon Stu, you scared me last time.
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Ha. Pathetic.
You're making Rage look medicore with your forumming this evening.
 
where's the consistancy with the people that attack the manager? people should dig deep on the forum archieves to the period where we went on a winning run of 6 games where everyone was singing the manager's praises for his attacking policy now only three games latter the knives are out. make up your minds for fucks sake.
 
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In the main I do trust him but I think he made a mistake (for this league campaign at least) buying Aqualani when he was injured for so long. That has been the main factor for our poor season so far and that can't in any way shape or form be laid at the feet of the owners.
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If Rafa knew from the end of last season that he had x amount to spend and then went out and signed an injured Aquilani and GJ, then i think he deserves to shoulder a lot more of the blame.

Personally i think that G&H did what they do best and told him huge whoppers, which in turn left us fucked before the season had even started.
[/quote]

So you reckon he'd have bought Aqualani and another central midfielder?
[/quote]

I don't know sheiky, but if he knew he had such a limited budget i doubt he'd of signed up GJ so quickly.

Do you think that Rafa knew from the outset what the score was then this summer (with regards to transfers)?
[/quote]

I don't think the buying of Johnson is relevant mate or whether or not he knew what budget he had available. He wanted Aqualani as his first choice central midfielder, a player who he knew wouldn't be available for the first two months of the league campaign. By being prepared to do without him for that long, Rafa has considered a central midfield pairing of Mascherano and Lucas as good enough. It's not. That's down to Rafa not the two muppets who own us mate. You can cloud it in as much 'he doesn't have the same funds as anyone else' as you want but unless he had the intention of buying another central midfielder on top of the Italian, the funds issue doesn't come into it.
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Weather he Knew what his transfer kitty was has to be relevant in this case Sheiky!

If he thought he had X amount to spend at the start of the summer and then that amount changes later on (after allready signing GJ), then that has to impact his plans negatively.

Personally i doubt we'd have gone for such an expensive option at RB if Rafa had known what was going to be made available. He's proven that he can pick up class defenders for £2-6m in the past, so i'd of thought that he'd of tried to do the same again.

I'm sorry i just can't help but think that with the refinancing going on at the time and G&H being such cunts, that they lied to Rafa.

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No offence like but you've totally avoided the argument. What has the cost of the RB got to do with buying a crocked central midfielder? Or are you suggesting that if Rafa knew his budget beforehand he'd have bought a cheaper right back and used the cash on a more expensive central midfielder?
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None taken.

I'm suggesting that if he'd known his transfer budget, then maybe he'd of signed a cheaper RB and then another CM.
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So Aqualani for £20 million and.... oh I don't know, how much for another midfielder? I'll let you provide a figure.
 
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where's the consistancy with the people that attack the manager? people should dig deep on the forum archieves to the period where we went on a winning run of 6 games where everyone was singing the manager's praises for his attacking policy now only three games latter the knives are out. make up your minds for fucks sake.
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I haven't praised him or criticised him as of yet. I'm not even really having a go at him. I'm saying he took a massive gamble signing Aqualani and it's backfired.
 
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