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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?

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What does that include?

For simply players in and out it's well under £100mil according LFChistory.
 
[quote author=cobrastatus link=topic=36496.msg964762#msg964762 date=1255810667]
I just want to say that this argument rebel put forth about how there is a 40m quid net spend and that he has brought more than that in with CL qualification is fucking stupid.

What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?

You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
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so let me get this right, the manager should make purchases with no regard who he sells to balance the books? just buy players and whatever else happens, happens?
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964743#msg964743 date=1255810070]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=36496.msg964731#msg964731 date=1255809548]
He's talking complete shit, as per.
He'll just pull some more fucking excuses out of his hole.
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Rather than the boring digs, why not join the debate?

You know you'll just explode in a hissy fit and then regret it in the morning if this carries on.
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The problem with you Rafa4PM, same as Rage, is that it is impossible to debate with you.
RCDNW in your eyes and what makes you tiresome is your unflinching belief all things Rafa and your inability to hold your hands up and just say 'Yeah, Rafa fucked up here, no question' but you do not. Dossena cost 7 million and is shit - All managers make fuck ups is your reply. Rafa bought Aquilani knowing he couldn't play, therefore admitting Lucas & Mascherano is good enough to start at CM for Liverpool, sheik laid these facts out for you and you just swerve around them. There is no swerving around that fact that Rafa has and is making costly mistakes.

No hissy fits, no debating either, I know from experience i will get nowhere with you.
 
let me stat for the record I'm not blind to the things rafa is doing wrong but

1) if he were shipped out he would cost the club a fortune which would almost certainly impact the coming seasons purchases

2) I can't see any manager doing significantly better given the resources he would have to work within

3) the managers the new manager is up against is
a) fergie - 20+ years in the job - huge resources
b) ancholloti(sp) - brilliant squad
c) whinger - 10+ in the job
d) hughes - huge resources

so we would be expecting the new guy to work wonders with rafa's sqaud and less money that rafa has to spend (to pay of rafa) against some of the best managers in world football. ha ha no pressure.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964778#msg964778 date=1255811629]

3) the managers the new manager is up against is
a) fergie - 20+ years in the job - huge resources
b) ancholloti(sp) - brilliant squad
c) whinger - 10+ in the job
d) hughes - huge resources

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WHAT ABOUT THE TEAMS WE'VE FUCKING LOST TO THIS SEASON? NO-ONE IS BANGING ON ABOUT THE TOP 4 AND CITY FOR FUCK'S SAKE. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964758#msg964758 date=1255810541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.

Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.

Our gross spend is fourth in the league.

I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.

Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?

It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
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do it ros, I'm curious. (I'll name bent to save you trouble) so in the five years rafa has been in charge spending roughly 20 mil net per season name names who he could have got.
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Well for a start the glaring error was signing Keane when Arshavin was available, and ultimately cheaper.

Then there's a whole host of bargains that could have been had if the manager was a bit clever. Our 17m pound full back was available for 4m not too long ago. So was Lassana Diarra when he left Arsenal.

Arsenal are a case in point, every single player that they've signed we could have afforded. Van Persie was 2.5m, Adebayor was 7m, Vermaelen looks good so far and cost 10m. Song is better than Lucas and cost 6 times less.

Then you've got Steve Bruce - the likes of Palacios who he signed for 1m, Valencia was signed for half a million. Figueroa is a decent full back too and he was around the 2.5m mark. Cana this season for 3m is looking shrewd.

Santa Cruz would have been a decent back up striker to have when Blackburn signed him for 4.5m.

Defoe was available for 7.5m at one point.

I'm actually getting tired of this. There are lots and lots of players out there who are affordable and much better value than the shite we've signed.

Our last three transfer windows are really starting to cost us now.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964781#msg964781 date=1255811786]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964768#msg964768 date=1255810867]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964758#msg964758 date=1255810541]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964745#msg964745 date=1255810131]
also hindsight is a 20/20 people should name names, one the budget we have (i.e. not very big) in the last five years who could rafa have brought in to improve the team? in five years I thought rafa only missed a trick twice 1) alves 2) anelka (when he went for morientes) other than that the players we need to move us to the next level were way too expensive.
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Complete bollocks Neil.

Firstly if we take the Rafa years as being the period of time we're talking about our net spend is third highest in the Premier League behind Chelsea and Man City.

Our gross spend is fourth in the league.

I have to laugh at the fact that someone can go out and sign a 20m pound midfielder and a 17m pound fullback on a small budget.

Do you really want me to name names as to who we could have signed in the past five years to improve us ?

It'll take ages, and that's only if you do it by players who have actually moved to/in the Premierhship.
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do it ros, I'm curious. (I'll name bent to save you trouble) so in the five years rafa has been in charge spending roughly 20 mil net per season name names who he could have got.
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Well for a start the glaring error was signing Keane when Arshavin was available, and ultimately cheaper.

Then there's a whole host of bargains that could have been had if the manager was a bit clever. Our 17m pound full back was available for 4m not too long ago. So was Lassana Diarra when he left Arsenal.

Arsenal are a case in point, every single player that they've signed we could have afforded. Van Persie was 2.5m, Adebayor was 7m, Vermaelen looks good so far and cost 10m. Song is better than Lucas and cost 6 times less.

Then you've got Steve Bruce - the likes of Palacios who he signed for 1m, Valencia was signed for half a million. Figueroa is a decent full back too and he was around the 2.5m mark. Cana this season for 3m is looking shrewd.

Santa Cruz would have been a decent back up striker to have when Blackburn signed him for 4.5m.

Defoe was available for 7.5m at one point.

I'm actually getting tired of this. There are lots and lots of players out there who are affordable and much better value than the shite we've signed.

Our last three transfer windows are really starting to cost us now.
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arseshaving is a good shout but I have to take issue with santa cruz and defoe, we play with torres up front and gerrard in the whole every potential striking purchase should take that inot account.
the purchases rafa has made has enabled rafa to finish in the top two just last season and whilst people will say it was because of gerrard and torres those two were missing for periods of the season. I was agree about the keane signing though as I didn't see where he would fit in the set up.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=36496.msg964774#msg964774 date=1255811130]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964743#msg964743 date=1255810070]
[quote author=Stu link=topic=36496.msg964731#msg964731 date=1255809548]
He's talking complete shit, as per.
He'll just pull some more fucking excuses out of his hole.
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Rather than the boring digs, why not join the debate?

You know you'll just explode in a hissy fit and then regret it in the morning if this carries on.
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The problem with you Rafa4PM, same as Rage, is that it is impossible to debate with you.
RCDNW in your eyes and what makes you tiresome is your unflinching belief all things Rafa and your inability to hold your hands up and just say 'Yeah, Rafa fucked up here, no question' but you do not. Dossena cost 7 million and is shit - All managers make fuck ups is your reply. Rafa bought Aquilani knowing he couldn't play, therefore admitting Lucas & Mascherano is good enough to start at CM for Liverpool, sheik laid these facts out for you and you just swerve around them. There is no swerving around that fact that Rafa has and is making costly mistakes.

No hissy fits, no debating either, I know from experience i will get nowhere with you.



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The problem with you Stu is that you're a daft twat who obviously can't read. If you'd spent the time to check, you'd have noticed that i've stated tonight on more than one occasion that Rafa should take some of the blame.

It's obvious that Dossena is shite and yeah it was a crap signing by Rafa, but its equally obvious that all managers (however good) have made similar mistakes.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36496.msg964778#msg964778 date=1255811629]

3) the managers the new manager is up against is
a) fergie - 20+ years in the job - huge resources
b) ancholloti(sp) - brilliant squad
c) whinger - 10+ in the job
d) hughes - huge resources

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WHAT ABOUT THE TEAMS WE'VE FUCKING LOST TO THIS SEASON? NO-ONE IS BANGING ON ABOUT THE TOP 4 AND CITY FOR FUCK'S SAKE. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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spurs - their best start for decades
villa - beat chelsea today
chelsea - many people's favorties to win the league
s'land - well...
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
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Aqualani -£20m
Lucas - £6m
Mascherano - £18m
AN Other - £11m?
And the chance to use Gerrard there?

Seems a bit too 'extravagant' to me.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?

There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.

Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.

Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out

the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money

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That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
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go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the exact numbers but my assertions are correct


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Our Net spend under Rafa has been £84m according to LFChistory.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=36496.msg964764#msg964764 date=1255810716]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?

There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.

Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.

Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out

the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money

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That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
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go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the exact numbers but my assertions are correct


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Our Net spend under Rafa has been £84m according to LFChistory.
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So that's a 44 million pound mark up on Rebel's initial guesstimate. Could someone do the net spend over the same period for the teams we've lost to this season?
 
All managers make mistakes in the market. Ferguson has Veron on his record and that guy cost a fair bit more than Torres. The problem where Rafa's concerned is that he's been expected to overhaul competitors who had a head start on us while spending sums similar to what they spent, rather than having more (at least for a while), i.e.he's had less margin for error. He's had to take more risks, and unfortunately a fair number of them haven't come off.
 
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[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=36496.msg964756#msg964756 date=1255810448]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=36496.msg964744#msg964744 date=1255810087]
Do any of you dopey cunts realise our last three sets of accounts show a net spend of well over 100m ?

There's been loads of money, at least half of it was wasted though.

Our problem is we've never made the most of the resources available to us, not the level of resources available.

Rebel is talking as if this summers shenanigans has been par for the course and will be forever and ever which everyone knows isn't true.
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that's a load of bollocks, any fan can go to LFChistory.net and work it out

the accounts you talk about might contain the £40m they spent in 2007 when they bought the club (on Torres and Babel) but the taps been off since that infusion and in 08 and 09 when you take Keane sale into account we have spent nothing and since Benitez has been here it's about £70 million net overall? I can't remember but whatever, he's brought it all back in CL money

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That's just jumped up 30 million from one of your previous posts Rebel. How can you expect us to take you seriously?
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go and do the math yourself and dispute my claims, i cant remember the exact numbers but my assertions are correct


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Our Net spend under Rafa has been £84m according to LFChistory.
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So that's a 44 million pound mark up on Rebel's initial guesstimate. Could someone do the net spend over the same period for the teams we've lost to this season?
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http://transferleague.co.uk/
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
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Aqualani -£20m
Lucas - £6m
Mascherano - £18m
AN Other - £11m?
And the chance to use Gerrard there?

Seems a bit too 'extravagant' to me.


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I think we've seen this season that Rafa is reluctant to break up the G&T partnership sheiky.

It was confirmed that we looked at Silva for around £15m, so he clearly knows that we need to try to improve in this area too.

Look mate, i know that Rafa is not perfect and he makes mistakes. I'm just not comfortable laying the blame at his feet for our summer transfer dealings whilst so much remains unclear.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
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Aqualani -£20m
Lucas - £6m
Mascherano - £18m
AN Other - £11m?
And the chance to use Gerrard there?

Seems a bit too 'extravagant' to me.


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I think we've seen this season that Rafa is reluctant to break up the G&T partnership sheiky.

It was confirmed that we looked at Silva for around £15m, so he clearly knows that we need to try to improve in this area too.

Look mate, i know that Rafa is not perfect and he makes mistakes. I'm just not comfortable laying the blame at his feet for our summer transfer dealings whilst so much remains unclear.
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I'm not having a pop mate. I just don't buy it that he was gazumped by the Yanks and he'd have bought another CM. I think he took a calculated risk and thought Mascherano and Lucas were good enough to keep us in the hunt until Aqualani was fit. Maybe we are stil in the hunt but with 4 losses I wouldn't put my house on us winning the league.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36496.msg964733#msg964733 date=1255809585]
Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
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Aqualani -£20m
Lucas - £6m
Mascherano - £18m
AN Other - £11m?
And the chance to use Gerrard there?

Seems a bit too 'extravagant' to me.


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I think we've seen this season that Rafa is reluctant to break up the G&T partnership sheiky.

It was confirmed that we looked at Silva for around £15m, so he clearly knows that we need to try to improve in this area too.

Look mate, i know that Rafa is not perfect and he makes mistakes. I'm just not comfortable laying the blame at his feet for our summer transfer dealings whilst so much remains unclear.
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I'm not having a pop mate. I just don't buy it that he was gazumped by the Yanks and he'd have bought another CM. I think he took a calculated risk and thought Mascherano and Lucas were good enough to keep us in the hunt until Aqualani was fit. Maybe we are stil in the hunt but with 4 losses I wouldn't put my house on us winning the league.
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No i see where you're coming from mate. If Rafa knew what we had to spend right from the start then my take on this subject would change dramatically sheiky. The problem is that i seriously wouldn't put anything past our two chancers, and as of such i'm willing to give Rafa the benefit of the doubt over our transfer dealings last summer.

We'll never know if he'd of signed another CM, but i think it's fair to say that Rafa would have wanted at least 1-2 more quality players added this summer. If that had been the case then maybe we wouldn't have lost 4 games allready.
 
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Well lets just say that he spent what he usually spends on a defender £6-£7m, then that would have left £11- £10m for another CM.
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You honestly think he'd have bought an 11 million quid midfielder to cover for Aqualani while he was recovering?


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Not to simply cover for Aquilani no, but i'd bet that Rafa would have preferred to have 4 decent CM to choose from considering we play 2 week in week out.
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We only lost Alonso as a CM mate. Are you saying Rafa would have bought 2 to replace him, spending 31m in the process whilst not addressing our total lack of a decent 2nd striker or left winger?
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I think he would of yeah. Rafa always like to have 4 CB's and personally i think he'd want 4 CM too. We couldn't get in a LW better than Riera for less than £15m and the 2nd striker would be used less than a 4th CM.

We also scored shed loads last season even though G&T missed a lot of games, so i'd of thought that that area would be less of a priority.
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Aqualani -£20m
Lucas - £6m
Mascherano - £18m
AN Other - £11m?
And the chance to use Gerrard there?

Seems a bit too 'extravagant' to me.


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I think we've seen this season that Rafa is reluctant to break up the G&T partnership sheiky.

It was confirmed that we looked at Silva for around £15m, so he clearly knows that we need to try to improve in this area too.

Look mate, i know that Rafa is not perfect and he makes mistakes. I'm just not comfortable laying the blame at his feet for our summer transfer dealings whilst so much remains unclear.
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I'm not having a pop mate. I just don't buy it that he was gazumped by the Yanks and he'd have bought another CM. I think he took a calculated risk and thought Mascherano and Lucas were good enough to keep us in the hunt until Aqualani was fit. Maybe we are stil in the hunt but with 4 losses I wouldn't put my house on us winning the league.
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No i see where you're coming from mate. If Rafa knew what we had to spend right from the start then my take on this subject would change dramatically sheiky. The problem is that i seriously wouldn't put anything past our two chancers, and as of such i'm willing to give Rafa the benefit of the doubt over our transfer dealings last summer.

We'll never know if he'd of signed another CM, but i think it's fair to say that Rafa would have wanted at least 1-2 more quality players added this summer. If that had been the case then maybe we wouldn't have lost 4 games allready.
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I do think they reneged on the Alonso funds but I also think Rafa had Aqualani identified before that and he intended to use the Alonso money on an attacker like Silva rather than another CM. We'll never know I guess.
 
rafa does have a high net/gross spend but with that money

CL
FAC
CL final
made the CL group stages in the five years he has been here and lst year ws the closet we have come to winning in the better part of two decades.
 
Again, I'm amazed by the lack of any kind of intelligence on the Liverpool facebook site. It is worse than ANY poster that's ever been on here (which is difficult I know).

My personal favourite was "Fuck Rafa, we need an English manager. Bring Kenny back."
 
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rafa does have a high net/gross spend but with that money

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So we've established that he has had money to spend?
 
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rafa does have a high net/gross spend but with that money

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So we've established that he has had money to spend?


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I never said rafa hasn't been given money I've said he has had to balance the books with outgoings he wasn't given one big lump sum to splash. also the likes of chelsea and manu haven't had the pressing need to sell as we have allowing them deeper squads for injuries.
 
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I just want to say that this argument rebel put forth about how there is a 40m quid net spend and that he has brought more than that in with CL qualification is fucking stupid.

What's the point of a football club? To make money or win trophies? How many trophies have we won with this 40m net spend and CL qualification money? Who gives a shit about all that noise?

You should be using these clever accounting tactics to measure whether or not money has been spent wisely/usefully, who gives a shit if he's balancing the books.
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so let me get this right, the manager should make purchases with no regard who he sells to balance the books? just buy players and whatever else happens, happens?
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Sorry neil, I should have elucidated a bit. What I meant was, we can't be happy wth things like, "oh the manager bought a bunch of crap but look it's ok he made a profit on it, and he balanced the books so we're a-ok". I don't think money in/out is the best metric for his performance or transfer activity.
 
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rafa does have a high net/gross spend but with that money

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So we've established that he has had money to spend?


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I never said rafa hasn't been given money
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I never said you'd said we didn't have money.
 
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