We're dickheads

[Fabio]

Also,mane and Salah were not signings of ambition. People were kicking off about how much we spent on both of them. Hindsight has at least been great for mane, but Salah we don't know yet

An aubamayang, asensio, Renato, are ambitious signings . Salah and solanke are not

 

[Frogfish]

Only the next few weeks will tell if we have quality back up targets for Keita and VVD but if we hear the same old line from the club about other teams not wanting to give up good players and there was nothing we could do then surely whoever negotiates the aquisitions must be asked serious questions.

Agree.

Three players have come in with Salah the standout player it seems whereas the other two will only be backup initially and even the signing of Salah is in a position where we were already fairly strong.

We clearly were not strong in Salah's position with only Mane. And we saw what happened when he was absent.

We've also lost some squad players in Lucas ,Stewart and Wisdom as sales. Chirivella and Randall have gone out on loan so as we speak the squad looks weaker to me and not stronger. That's before the likely sales or Loans of Sakho,Karius or Ward,Gomez,Moreno,Flanagan,Kent and Ojo.

Stewart started 4 games in all competitions (0 in the PL) and came on 5 times as sub (4 in the PL). Chirivella zero in any competition. Randall a single appearance in the FAC. Wisdom zero - he was out on loan as were Flanagan, Kent and Ojo - all zero games for us last season. So let's not pretend we've lost any squad depth bar Lucas !

And as I said : above so far the squad has been strengthened by 7 players including those who virtually didn't play for us last season due to injury : Salah, Robertson, Solanke, Ings, Grujic, Ejaria and Gomez for the loss of Lucas. You can see all of those players getting numerous games. And it's possible Kent and Gomez (almost certainly) will be retained as part of the squad.

We made the mistake of not recruiting last January and it arguably nearly cost us Champions League qualification (That's assuming we will qualify) so lets not compound that mistake by not getting either players in to improve the first team or players who can bolster the squad.

Totally agree.

Notice how quickly Chelsea signed Morata after losing out on Lukaku, I doubt we'll be so quick to react in our dealings.

Morata was up for sale and Chelsea paid the going price. I'm not sure that is even relevant to our situation.

 

[Frogfish]

I just want to pick up this point

Salah is the only one out of those players who you could even remotely argue should improve us, the rest are largely unproved. 3 are kids, 1 was the full back from a relegated side and ings hasn't kicked a ball in anger in 2 years .

That's not a positive when there's no guarantee Salah will even start most games, or if he does we lose another player who was in the top scorers at Christmas camp.

And you say, that our squad depth isn't as good as city or Chelsea...well...that's the teams were meant to be competing with and this season we actually have the money to try and compete with them....but we've shot ourselves in the foot comfortably over van dijk,and willfully negligent by persisting with keita

Now teams know we have 150m to spunk and are relatively desperate. Hello 40m on average as fuck players .

This is why people are being negative, because the club is either purposefully fucking up, or it's gross incompetence

The point is that we are not weaker and clearly already have more squad depth than last season.

Salah is an excellent player that pretty much everyone agrees on (no matter who you support). And most people see him as an incremental step in improving the team. Maybe you don't but in either case it remains to be proven.

Both Chelsea and City started from a much higher base, even if we spend the same as them this season (and City will beat £150m comfortably anyway) we still aren't going to come close to their squad strength so that's obviously a weak argument.

If we fail completely with Keita and VVD and don't find at least adequate substitutes I couldn't agree with you more re. gross incompetence. I've made no argument there !

 

[Fabio]

The point is that we are not weaker and clearly already have more squad depth than last season.

Salah is an excellent player that pretty much everyone agrees on (no matter who you support). And most people see him as an incremental step in improving the team. Maybe you don't but in either case it remains to be proven.

Both Chelsea and City started from a much higher base, even if we spend the same as them this season (and City will beat £150m comfortably anyway) we still aren't going to come close to their squad strength so that's obviously a weak argument.

If we fail completely with Keita and VVD and don't find at least adequate substitutes I couldn't agree with you more re. gross incompetence. I've made no argument there !

Salah is an exciting addition and I'm glad we got him, however he improves depth, not the first team.

If we play with Salah and mane, who misses out?

Presumably coutinho drops to midfield, leaving 2 places. We take Gini our we lose an ability to maintain position and keep things ticking over,as well as defensive ability. We take lallana out we lose unpredictability from deep and defensive ability. Take can out, remove runs from deep and...defensive ability. Henderson, we lose a phenomenal range of passing, our captain and....the same as everyone else.

Our defense is already piss poor, we shouldn't be removing elements from midfield that assist it. Which makes the van dijk think all the more galling.

I don't care about city and Chelsea having higher starting points. City have bought 3 full backs, Chelsea a striker and centre mid. All positions we're weak in, all fees which we've been open to paying.

Chelsea missing out on lukaku and buying morata is a fine example why were cunts. They signed the 2nd choice within 2 days. I bet we won't sign anyone for midfield, and can will be like "a new signing", or Henderson coming back will be.

I get the overwhelming negative vibes can be galling, but so can burying your head in the sand.

Everything is not rosy. The van dijk saga has shown that

We struggle to get our targets even when overpaying the odds. Naby keita shows that

We end up buying 2nd rate players. Robertson shows that.

This window so far has been typical Liverpool.

 

[davud graham]

Agree.

We clearly were not strong in Salah's position with only Mane. And we saw what happened when he was absent.


Stewart started 4 games in all competitions (0 in the PL) and came on 5 times as sub (4 in the PL). Chirivella zero in any competition. Randall a single appearance in the FAC. Wisdom zero - he was out on loan as were Flanagan, Kent and Ojo - all zero games for us last season. So let's not pretend we've lost any squad depth bar Lucas !

And as I said : above so far the squad has been strengthened by 7 players including those who virtually didn't play for us last season due to injury : Salah, Robertson, Solanke, Ings, Grujic, Ejaria and Gomez for the loss of Lucas. You can see all of those players getting numerous games. And it's possible Kent and Gomez (almost certainly) will be retained as part of the squad.

Totally agree.

Morata was up for sale and Chelsea paid the going price. I'm not sure that is even relevant to our situation.

We were strong in the wide positions as we had Mane and Coutinho in them for most games last season before Coutinho dropped deeper toward the end of the season so we already had quality there. No quality in reserve I agree but we still won't really as Salah will be a starter and it looks like Coutinho will play deeper so not much change really. The squad players we have for that position are young kids like Kent and Ojo or Origi and Firmino who are useless when played out wide.

Losing stewart is relevant exactly because we have lost Lucas as well. How many midfielders have we that are capable of defending well and protecting the back four? Henderson but his fitness is about as reliable as Sturridge's and Can (if we manage to keep him) who is brilliant one week and shite the next. Milner perhaps but he's even slower than Can and will probably still start at full back. And if you argue that we've no lost squad depth due to Chirivella, Flanagan, kent and Ojo then we sure haven't strengthened by adding players we already had.

Ings has had two years of bad injuries so wouldn't rely on him going to the shops and coming back unscathed.
Gomez was fit from January onwards last season but wasn't selected once in the league and only played in the FA Cup where he was useless so I fail to see how he strengthens us if Klavan gets in before him.
Ejaria played six minutes for us in the Leahgue last season so he's only another domestic cup makeweight like most of our young players.
Grujic was Injured for most of last season so who knows if he's good enough yet to contribute.
Robertson and Solanke won't get many games at all unless players currently in their position don't pick up injuries.
I like Kent and Ojo but Klopp won't give them any chances in the League and they don't look outstanding enough to force their way in front of senior players. More cup fodder if not sent out on loan.

The Morata thing is relevant because it's no secret that Chelsea wanted Lukaku but when he went to United they wasted no time in recruiting a more than capable back up. My suggestion is that i doubt we will act so decisively after our failed pursuits of Keita and VVD (probably).

 

[Kay Age El]

I guess about 1% of this forum knew about Keita before Season last.

And now he's the only player out there to take us forward? Right..

From the heart, CHILL, bitchaaaas..

 

[mark1975]

Yes a few people here, some of the most vocal, are obviously putting it aside and you can't speak for them so please don't make sweeping generalities of that nature.

So far the squad has been strengthened by 7 players including those who virtually didn't play for us last season due to injury : Salah, Robertson, Solanke, Ings, Grujic, Ejaria and Gomez for the loss of Lucas. I've no doubt we'll make 2-3 more signings to the squad. So in terms of having good to decent players to help us cover early LC and FAC matches we are in good shape. Ditto having backups to cover injuries (barring CB and arguably CM). Of course they are not all top class players and some are youngsters but then, barring City and maybe Chelsea, the same can be said about any squad in the PL. What is indisputable is that we are in a better position than last season in both numbers and quality (slightly).

Obviously that's not true however this lends itself to the parry I've made in the final quote of yours I've answered below.

How convenient of you to leave out mentioning that two of three areas we need to improve upon are those I've stated time and again we need strengthening. As to the striker issue this is as much an availability and tactical question that has the board split so it's obviously not as clear cut as you seem to think it is.

Wasn't signing Klopp a sign of ambition ? Or Mane or Salah ? The market today isn't the market of even last season. It's clearly far more difficult to get deals done with the money washing around the PL, BL and Serie A due to massively increased sponsorship. But ignore that fact if it's your wont. I have my criticisms of FSG too but clearly not at your level. Though scouting and negotiating are major issues not to be confused with ambition.

Absolutely agree.

Who isn't concerned ? If you'd read all of Oncy's posts over the past few days (to single him out as one of a few) you'd know exactly what I mean - the sky isn't falling and we haven't regressed from last season so the excessive negativity from some posters is frankly ridiculous. And many of them were exactly the same last season too, forecasting we'd finish 6th or 7th due to their perceived lack of quality in the team. So I will continue to counter that cup half empty (or totally empty in some cases) stance with a cup half full stance. Skip past my posts if that position upsets you.

The hyperbole of saying "we've been strengthened by 7 players", to then go on to include the completely unreliable/non-entities that are Ings,Gomez, Ejaria and Grujic, is taking the overly positive "everything is great" stance to it's full ridiculousness.

It's already been picked apart well by DG & Fabio, by pointing out that we've lost Lucas, Stewart and whoever else who leaves (Sakho, Markovic, a load more kids etc). There's no increase in depth, if anything we're short in a position we're struggling to buy quality for and now we not only lack the first teamer DM we're crying out for, but we have virtually nothing in reserve.

As said, Salah is great in adding depth, he can play where Mane and Coutinho play, so it gives us the depth we lacked when either one of them were missing last season. The point though is that depth was the second priority this Summer, quality being the upmost requirement and I think so far we've bolstered rather than strengthened, that's not to say Salah won't improve the first team, but it's a luxury rather than a necessity. And therein lies the repeated problem with our transfer policy.

 

[Fabio]

I guess about 1% of this forum knew about Keita before Season last.

And now he's the only player out there to take us forward? Right..

From the heart, CHILL, bitchaaaas..

I don't believe anyone is saying that at all

What people are saying is we've spent a month at least after a player who has been consistently branded as not for sale.

We need strengthening in midifeld,and the longer we leave it, the more likely we'll end up with no one, or someone vastly inferior

It's typical Liverpool, and a lot of us I feel felt like we actually might be passed that kind of bullshit

 

[Insignificance]

I am fine with what we have... I am certain we will challenge for the league and CL with this lot. So I rather go with them than spending on useless twats we don't need anyway.

 

[jan]

I'm optimistic. The Firm still haven't given up.

 

[Insignificance]

I'm optimistic. The Firm still haven't given up.

The firm is a Manc arsehole playing you as a fiddle. His private jet was the same as pulled the "Moyes out" banner!

 

[Tinto]

As said, Salah is great in adding depth, he can play where Mane and Coutinho play, so it gives us the depth we lacked when either one of them were missing last season. The point though is that depth was the second priority this Summer, quality being the upmost requirement and I think so far we've bolstered rather than strengthened, that's not to say Salah won't improve the first team, but it's a luxury rather than a necessity. And therein lies the repeated problem with our transfer policy.

It'll be interesting to see if Salah is just for depth or if he will be starting a lot of games. I can see him and Mane starting many games with Firmino in the middle and Coutinho deeper.

I disagree it's a luxury signing though. We really need another player with his kind of pace. Losing Mane last season was a double blow to us. Not only did we lose his quality but our attack became very one paced.

Obviously the top top priorities for reinforcements are in central midfield and at centre half.

 

[mark1975]

It'll be interesting to see if Salah is just for depth or if he will be starting a lot of games. I can see him and Mane starting many games with Firmino in the middle and Coutinho deeper.

I disagree it's a luxury signing though. We really need another player with his kind of pace. Losing Mane last season was a double blow to us. Not only did we lose his quality but our attack became very one paced.

Obviously the top top priorities for reinforcements are in central midfield and at centre half.

He'll start most games I imagine, that wasn't really what I was getting at. I just mean that an attacking midfielder/forward was probably lesser a priority than a DM or centre half, that said we've argued all last season that we need goals, so he further remedies that. But the crux of the point was that we had Mane and Coutinho in his position. In the centre half and DM roles, I'd only really take Matip and Henderson as being remotely effective.

We'll see, hopefully we get it sorted, but I don't blame people at all for being concerned, we've been here too many times.

 

[Oncy]

the sky isn't falling and we haven't regressed from last season so the excessive negativity from some posters is frankly ridiculous. And many of them were exactly the same last season too, forecasting we'd finish 6th or 7th due to their perceived lack of quality in the team. So I will continue to counter that cup half empty (or totally empty in some cases) stance with a cup half full stance. Skip past my posts if that position upsets you.

No we havnt regressed.
However 2 teams who finished below us and two teams who finished above us have strengthened SIGNIFICANTLY.

Right now Liverpool and Spurs are out of the top 4 next year. Only the happiest of clappers could try and spin against that.

Im not negative about where we will end up. You may be right and 3 or 4 world class players will be signed before the window shuts.
At which point I will of course re-set my expecations.

But right now, the team who finished 4th last year have done next to nothing to strengthen this year.

And yet 68 days ago 'Our business is all but concluded'

So our business was a Chelsea reject, a relegated LB and a back up to the superior Mane?

Alarm bells are ringing Froggy.

Lets see where we go from here, but I for one have ZERO faith in us not fucking up in this window. The same kind of fuck ups that saw us sign Balotelli and Downing.

We NEED a CM of world class ability.
We NEED a CB of world class ability.
And
We NEED a striker who can score goals.

No amount of positivity from you or negativity from me will change that.

The team who won the league at a canter have added Morata and Bakayoko to their ranks. Do we REALLY intend to compete?

 

[jan]

The firm is a Manc arsehole playing you as a fiddle. His private jet was the same as pulled the "Moyes out" banner!

You just got blocked. The Firm doesn't forget.

 

[Hansern]

I'm currently on my holidays. By the sound of it, several on here need a good break aswell.
Whats the point in panicing now? Or being negative. There is a month left of the transfer window. Just relax, and kick up a fuss in September if its still like this. Doing it now is pointless.

We have improved since last season, and will add at least two more signings. A quality cb and midfielder. No doubt.

Fuck what other clubs have done, or not done. It doesnt matter.

 

[Oncy]

Ok who had Hansern? *starts counting out fivers*

 

[Hansern]

You and CheerUpDreambeliever should have your own forum were you can be negative and depressive. The season hasnt even startes yet, FFS.

I'll continue with my holiboobs, and be happy.

Cheers!

 

[Halmeister]

Well the point is to do the business before the season starts.

 

[Oncy]

You and CheerUpDreambeliever should have your own forum were you can be negative and depressive. The season hasnt even startes yet, FFS.

I'll continue with my holiboobs, and be happy.

Cheers!

Have fun. Its all you will have for the next 8 months.

 

[Raz]

I think thats the worst part.
Because either the board lied point blank to Klopp or he lied point blank to us.

May:We have all but finalised our business.
August:Ermmmm fuck....

It's a fucking joke init. Klopp looks like a fool the more and more this is brought up.

 

[Kay Age El]

No we havnt regressed.
However 2 teams who finished below us and two teams who finished above us have strengthened SIGNIFICANTLY.

Right now Liverpool and Spurs are out of the top 4 next year. Only the happiest of clappers could try and spin against that.

Im not negative about where we will end up. You may be right and 3 or 4 world class players will be signed before the window shuts.
At which point I will of course re-set my expecations.

But right now, the team who finished 4th last year have done next to nothing to strengthen this year.

And yet 68 days ago 'Our business is all but concluded'

So our business was a Chelsea reject, a relegated LB and a back up to the superior Mane?

Alarm bells are ringing Froggy.

Lets see where we go from here, but I for one have ZERO faith in us not fucking up in this window. The same kind of fuck ups that saw us sign Balotelli and Downing.

We NEED a CM of world class ability.
We NEED a CB of world class ability.
And
We NEED a striker who can score goals.

No amount of positivity from you or negativity from me will change that.

The team who won the league at a canter have added Morata and Bakayoko to their ranks. Do we REALLY intend to compete?

Spurs will be battling for the title, again, hopefully so will we..

Chelsea from early Summer games look pretty average, they got a lot to do still and without Hazard they look toothless. Morata for Costa is a bad swap for them imo..

 

[Oncy]

It's a fucking joke init. Klopp looks like a fool the more and more this is brought up.

I dont really think its his fault.
This board are fucking shite.

They dont even seem to be giving an illusion of a fuck anymore.

Maybe Froggy and the likes are right and we will drop some monster signings in the next 10 days but given it took us 68 days to NOT sign VVD and Keita id say the chances are slim.

 

[Raz]

It will be Hansern or Frogfish.

In froggys world we have already signed VVD and Keita.

 

[Oncy]

I know. I cant wrap my head round it.

We couldnt compete in ONE competition last year (given we sacked off the cups toot suite)
And yet we are about to embark on a campaign for 4 trophies and people are positive about it.

 

[ibromurph]

We need a CB and a CM.

Unless we are selling Sturridge, we have enough CFs for Klopp to work with.

If we had got Keita and VVD for reasonable prices, I'd have been have been happy with this summer's business. Now we have to look at alternatives. I think for VVD, that's fine. I'm not 100% sold on him being world class (largely given his international performances), I think there are options. With Keita, I don't think there are many (if any) other type of player like him. Kante-esque with a better final ball.

I don't see a like for like alternative, so we could possibly look at pushing Hendo/Milner into CM and looking to get a more specialist DM like Fabinho.

 

[Insignificance]

I know. I cant wrap my head round it.

We couldnt compete in ONE competition last year (given we sacked off the cups toot suite)
And yet we are about to embark on a campaign for 4 trophies and people are positive about it.

Fuck man. I told you to stop moaning....

 

[Raz]

If Keita is this super footballer 'better than Kante' please tell me why we are the only club looking to sign him? I had no idea he even existed till a few months ago.

 

[Oncy]

Fuck man. I told you to stop moaning....

Im going to peoples elbow you next time I see you you white walker cunt.

 

[darkstarexodus]

This has been a bit depressing. The happy-clappies aren't credible enough to get on board with and the rest of you moaners (who I'm in total agreement with) are bringing me down.

Need some psychedelics. Turn on and tune out for a while.