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How sad, I thought this was going to be an RPG thread where we could all pretend to be campers, camping. I had this character worked out, Chase Rubble, (an amalgam of my two favourite Paw Patrol characters). I was going to be a supply teacher by day and a venture scout at weekends. Jeeze, the fun we could have had discussing percentages and.... stuff.

It can still be. There OP was "designed" to keep all the possibilities open.
 
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I hereby nominate Oncy to be the director of this new camp. Everybody in favor, say Aye.
 
The hyperbole of saying "we've been strengthened by 7 players", to then go on to include the completely unreliable/non-entities that are Ings,Gomez, Ejaria and Grujic, is taking the overly positive "everything is great" stance to it's full ridiculousness.

It's already been picked apart well by DG & Fabio, by pointing out that we've lost Lucas, Stewart and whoever else who leaves (Sakho, Markovic, a load more kids etc). There's no increase in depth, if anything we're short in a position we're struggling to buy quality for and now we not only lack the first teamer DM we're crying out for, but we have virtually nothing in reserve.

As said, Salah is great in adding depth, he can play where Mane and Coutinho play, so it gives us the depth we lacked when either one of them were missing last season. The point though is that depth was the second priority this Summer, quality being the upmost requirement and I think so far we've bolstered rather than strengthened, that's not to say Salah won't improve the first team, but it's a luxury rather than a necessity. And therein lies the repeated problem with our transfer policy.

What a load of utter tosh Mark ! Shockingly poor ill-considered response. I thought you were way better than to just spout opinion without checking the facts (which I had already conveniently laid out above). No matter what you think of those players (and your opinion there is clearly an angry response not based in reality) there's no doubt that exchanging Ings, Gomez (who Klopp has said will also stand-in at RB & CB this season - according to Pearce), Solanke, Ejaria and Grujic for the 7 players mentioned above who started zero PL games with only 4 sub appearances between them, is a major upgrade in SQUAD strength. It's not even debatable.

And why do you mention Sakho and Markovic, when again they didn't even feature for us in any match (PL, FAC or LC) last season ? We are talking about whether the squad has improved or not and they weren't components of it.

Salah : clearly one of the major considerations is not just squad depth (so he's not a luxury because you only have to see how we regressed without Mane) is that his acquisition enables us to drop Coutinho into the position Klopp has already mentioned he wants to see him often this coming season (and that I've been pressing for for over 2 years on here). Without a real winger we couldn't do that so not only does Salah offer depth but tactical flexibility and a real wing threat as well as goals.

As I've said on numerous occasions, I wanted 3-4 starters this season so I'll again mention the list I made : CB, LB & CM were the clear priorities. CF was a luxury 4th if we had the cash, clearly Klopp sees Salah and Solanke as covering that base.
 
It'll be interesting to see if Salah is just for depth or if he will be starting a lot of games. I can see him and Mane starting many games with Firmino in the middle and Coutinho deeper.

I disagree it's a luxury signing though. We really need another player with his kind of pace. Losing Mane last season was a double blow to us. Not only did we lose his quality but our attack became very one paced.

Obviously the top top priorities for reinforcements are in central midfield and at centre half.
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No we havnt regressed.
However 2 teams who finished below us and two teams who finished above us have strengthened SIGNIFICANTLY.

Right now Liverpool and Spurs are out of the top 4 next year. Only the happiest of clappers could try and spin against that.

Im not negative about where we will end up. You may be right and 3 or 4 world class players will be signed before the window shuts.
At which point I will of course re-set my expecations.

But right now, the team who finished 4th last year have done next to nothing to strengthen this year.

And yet 68 days ago 'Our business is all but concluded'

So our business was a Chelsea reject, a relegated LB and a back up to the superior Mane?

Alarm bells are ringing Froggy.

Lets see where we go from here, but I for one have ZERO faith in us not fucking up in this window. The same kind of fuck ups that saw us sign Balotelli and Downing.

We NEED a CM of world class ability.
We NEED a CB of world class ability.
And
We NEED a striker who can score goals.

No amount of positivity from you or negativity from me will change that.

The team who won the league at a canter have added Morata and Bakayoko to their ranks. Do we REALLY intend to compete?
There's very little for me to disagree with there Oncy.

I think you under-rate our acquisitions somewhat. Salah is clearly class and frees up Coutinho (strengthening both wing and CM) and is also more than likely not a backup but a starter, whilst Robertson seems to be rated by everyone except us so I hope they are right and we are wrong. Solanke seems to be a revelation and could push Sturridge (might not be difficult unless he stays injury free).

I see us battling for 3rd/4th again (and I'm confident we can get one of them) unless we get VVD and maybe someone like Drinkwater (yes I know many don't like him but he is clearly a defence minded CM who was instrumental in shielding Leicester's even weaker looking CBs during their title winning season and he could do that job for us).
I think we can get 4th even without reinforcements but it will be a battle (with all except City & Chelsea) and we'll need better luck with injuries than last season.
 
Drinkwater (yes I know many don't like him but he is clearly a defence minded CM who was instrumental in shielding Leicester's even weaker looking CBs during their title winning season and he could do that job for us).

That was kante
 
Well it was both actually but Drinkwater is closer to a Keita than a Kante so probably more acceptable to Klopp who has stated a million times that we don't and won't play with a DM.
Theres a reason why Kante is the first player to win back to back titles with 2 different clubs, and drinkwater isn't good enough to get a game for england.

Drinkwater helped defensively and in attack, however kante let him do that

We don't have a kante
 
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say we've strengthened on account of players returning from injury. Injuries are par for the course and we may lose a couple again this season. At least it was fringe players last time.

That said, Salah looks to be a really good acquisition on paper providing both pace and goals. Robertson and Solanke - as things stand - will need time to prove they're about more than making up the numbers.

There is time yet but so far the window has been pretty disappointing and I'm sure Klopp feels the same way.

We all agree that we need 2-3 top class additions - let's hope we get them.
 
Fuck you all.
We aren't dickheads.
We are Liverpool ... tra la la la
... and we're going to win the league.
DUMBELDORE TILL I DIE (@Oncy, I need you side by side with that spanking hair)
 
What cunt nicked my hammock. Whilxt I was sleeping Init.
Thought transference's that never wear.
 
This has been a bit depressing. The happy-clappies aren't credible enough to get on board with and the rest of you moaners (who I'm in total agreement with) are bringing me down.

Need some psychedelics. Turn on and tune out for a while.
I'll get some 2cb dropped off shortly. Maybe some x too, we'll do some nexus flipping.
 
I think it's a bit of a stretch to say we've strengthened on account of players returning from injury. Injuries are par for the course and we may lose a couple again this season. At least it was fringe players last time.
It's rare for any team to lose one player out for a whole season never mind three when we had already trimmed the squad to the bone ! Undoubtedly we could have used Ings (CF and maybe RW), Grujic (CM) and Gomez (CB, LB) when the going got rough in January/February.
 
So James Pearce is saying that we have no alternatives for Keita. Unlikely that we sign another midfielder. And that there's no headway yet on van Dijk.

Depressing times.
 
We're dickheads.

There are only 2 players in all the world that will improve our team significantly? Our brain trust can go fuck themselves.

All in for the not-buying-for-the-sake-of-buying but to have literally zero alternative options is beyond stupid. And as the fan pressure ratchet up throughout August we'll probably make a couple dumb purchases anyways.

Useless fucking tits.
 
We're dickheads.

There are only 2 players in all the world that will improve our team significantly? Our brain trust can go fuck themselves.

All in for the not-buying-for-the-sake-of-buying but to have literally zero alternative options is beyond stupid. And as the fan pressure ratchet up throughout August we'll probably make a couple dumb purchases anyways.

Useless fucking tits.

The fact that Salah came into the picture after the likes of Pulisic and Brandt being originally mentioned as top targets obviously shows that there's more to the 'not-buying-for-the-sake-of-buying' reason/excuse being used.
 
The fact that Salah came into the picture after the likes of Pulisic and Brandt being originally mentioned as top targets obviously shows that there's more to the 'not-buying-for-the-sake-of-buying' reason/excuse being used.

Perhaps. But why did we accept Dortmund's outright refusal to discuss selling Pulisic while thinking we could bully Leipzig into selling Keita?

(I'm not that critical of assuming we could bully Southampton into accepting our overpay, it happens every year. Twice usually.)
 
It won't go down too well with some, but I honestly think we should go for Sami Nasri on loan for a year with an option to buy. City want rid but he's shown his fitness in preseason and he is just the sort of experienced midfielder who would give us some control and game intelligence. At his best, he's a top quality midfielder - one of those players who rarely loses possession even in tight situations.

Would cost us fuck all, City would probably pay some of his wages and aged 30 he has something to prove.

Nasri would not be an alternative to Naby but we desperately need more options in centre midfield with Europe this year and we can save our cash for Keita next summer (or January if they are out of the CL).

"Puts hard hat on swiftly"
 
I think it is all bollox. All of it...we just make noises in the press with no intention of buying anyone. I think the real budget was 50M and we have used that up. All these rumours in the press are just manufactured to appease us fans into believing we are gonna buy big and think big. I think the only thing thats going on is us deciding if we want to cash in on coutinho and pay off some debts.

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