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It's just a shame someone a tad more credible hasn't come out with this. He's clearly angling for robbie savages job..

Manchester Utd: Wayne Rooney is not world class - Joey Barton

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Manchester United forward Wayne Rooney lacks the mentality to become a "world-class" player, says Queens Park Rangers midfielder Joey Barton.
Rooney, 28, recently signed a new contract that puts him among the highest-paid players in football.
But Barton - an admirer of Rooney - said his mental approach leaves him behind the world's best on the pitch.
"Look at his approach and mentality compared to Cristiano Ronaldo's. Polar opposites," he told BBC Radio 5 live.
The 31-year-old added: "Rooney potentially, could have been world class. But why is Ronaldo a Ballon d'Or winner and Rooney isn't?
"Players who have worked with both say the level of discipline Ronaldo has is the reason he is the best player in the world."
Barton stressed that although he considers Rooney to be "the epitome of a class Englishman", he feels players such as Real Madrid forward Ronaldo are more deserving of the 'world class' label.
"When you see Rooney smoking cigarettes," Barton continued, "is he doing everything he can to be the best player in the world? The gulf is getting wider but if it was on talent alone, Rooney is a better player than him."
Since making his senior debut for Everton at the age of 16 in August 2002, Rooney has gone on to win five Premier League titles, two League Cups, three FA Cups and the Champions League and Fifa World Club Cup once with United, who he joined for £25.6m in 2004.
But Barton said he believes Rooney falling short of his potential was part of a wider problem within English football at large, adding that Roy Hodgson's England side have "no chance at the World Cup," and that "no one believes we can win it - the manager, the media, the players."
The former Manchester City and Newcastle player also added that he "would have sacked Greg Dyke on the spot" for a cut-throat gesture the FA chairman madeas England were placed in Group D alongside Italy, Uruguay and Costa Rica during the draw in Brazil on 6 December.
Barton was speaking to Sir Clive Woodward in a 5 live programme Sir Clive Woodward Meets to be broadcast at 19.30 BST on Thursday 3 April.
 
Apparently Barton is now studying for a philosophy degree at somewhere called "Roehampton University". He's also doing his autobiography, but he's already gone through two ghostwriters and is arguing with his third. Presumably he'll also need a ghostwriter for his degree course. He's a rum fellow.
 
gkmacca said:
Apparently Barton is now studying for a philosophy degree at somewhere called "Roehampton University". He's also doing his autobiography, but he's already gone through two ghostwriters and is arguing with his third. Presumably he'll also need a ghostwriter for his degree course. He's a rum fellow.
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Cue Johnny Cash: "Ghost Riders In The Sky".
 
To be fair he's not world class to me but no one in my old office agreed with me on world class, for me world class means you'd get into he world XI , I.e here's finite positions available , so there cannot be 5, say world class strikers, to others it means simply the top x% regardless of position .
 
HC said:
To be fair he's not world class to me but no one in my old office agreed with me on world class, for me world class means you'd get into he world XI , I.e here's finite positions available , so there cannot be 5, say world class strikers, to others it means simply the top x% regardless of position .
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If the world eleven wanted either Messi or Ronaldo to play centrally behind the striker, you're saying that one of them would have to be relegated to non-worldclass?
 
Not at all. I am saying if you're 'world class' it means you would get into the hypothetical ''world XI' which wouldn't comprise of 11 forwards.

It just dilutes quality like a shoddy exam marking system with too many achieving the top percentile and it just borks the stat, in my opinion.
 
juniormember said:
Because there aren't a lot of high profile footballers that behave like complete and utter bellends in front of the camera the way he does.
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Yeah there is. Every week!

But I do get it. He's a footballer who's prepared to put his head above the parapet, and is (relatively) articulate. And a bloke who seemingly wants the attention.

Everyone wins. Except the consumer.
 
HC said:
Not at all. I am saying if you're 'world class' it means you would get into the hypothetical ''world XI' which wouldn't comprise of 11 forwards.

It just dilutes quality like a shoddy exam marking system with too many achieving the top percentile and it just borks the stat, in my opinion.
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So Suarez isn't world class then as Messi and Ronaldo would be the front two.
 
Piedro said:
So Suarez isn't world class then as Messi and Ronaldo would be the front two.
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For me personally, not really sure who that third defender would be.

If you want a team that would actually function though...

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Basically FIFA TOTY plus Suarez minus Iniesta. Just because Iniesta wouldn't be as useful in such a deep role, but Xavi would be able to pull it off.
 
Dreambeliever said:
No kompany?
No robben?
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Kompany might edge Ramos for me in the first team, but no Robben.

A bench to that second team would be something like...

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Aguero was a tough one to leave out, and I'm not sure about Chiellini either. Buffon/Cech was a toss up as well.
 
Piedro said:
So Suarez isn't world class then as Messi and Ronaldo would be the front two.
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No clearly he's not, as previously mentioned you can't have mental amounts of forwards.

World class should be the pinnacle rating for a footballer, 12 months cannot put you there
 
I don't think that's a good system for determining who is world class.

It simply leads to people loading up a team with attacking players, like Whirly has done above and Garth Crooks does all the time for his team of the week. Even when that's not the case, the formation and style you pick will influence how many slots are available for each type of player and that's before you arrive at the problem of players who can be broadly cast as playing in the same position actually performing vastly different roles and having vastly different skills.
 
What's with the British being obsessed who's "world class" and who isn't? And what the fuck does "world class" even mean, is it a condition, like saying someone is autistic, or is it more like those portable cd players from the 90s that had an "extra bass system" label on them?
 
Just to add to this question, we got another demonstration a couple of nights ago as to why Ibra should be in a World XI......not. Utterly anonymous in a big game yet again - the only time he did anything noteworthy was when it was debated whether he could walk off or be carried off.

World class - you're having a laugh. Tremendously talented, flat track bully - now we're getting to the truth.
 
As a Swede I'm compelled to defend Zlatan....but I won't cause you're right.
I'm not sure he would have been able to handle the pace of the premiership.
I've seen him play us at several occasions and he came up empty every time.

Once in a friendly against Ajax
Twice with Juve
Twice with Inter
 
Actually, I thought he played well in one of the Juve games. I don't remember the Ajax game - when was that?

He also played very well against England at the last Euro's but, otherwise, a non-starter in big games.

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I don't know why people think they can just redefine the term 'world class' from its common usage to something that suits their prejudice. I've never once, ever, heard it used to mean something like 'best in the world in his position'. It's virtually always used to mean something like 'among the best players in the world and able to compete at the highest level'. That's how it's used, so that's what it means. You don't just get to decide an arbitrary meaning for a term.

Suarez is world class. So is Ibrahimovic. And Cavani, and Neymar, and Falcao, and Costa, and Aguero, and probably a few others I'm forgetting.
 
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