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Weekend Games 30th Sept

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Whats embarrassing is coming onto a Liverpool forum and repeatedly taking it upon yourself to tell everyone that Spurs are a better team than Liverpool, for little or no reason. Christ it's like KHL and Eriksen, but at least KHL doesn't deny his understandable admiration for his countryman.

All I said was "let's not be cunts about it" but seeing as you've been banging on about them being "dickweeds" and trying to pretend they're not a very good team, who have finished above us 6 in the last 7 seasons, and slagging off their players non-stop like anyone else fucking cares or even understands your weird anti-Spurs hatred, I suppose it's way too late for you not to be a cunt about it.

It's just a bit cringey that's all.
 
All I said was "let's not be cunts about it" but seeing as you've been banging on about them being "dickweeds" and trying to pretend they're not a very good team, who have finished above us 6 in the last 7 seasons, and slagging off their players non-stop like anyone else fucking cares or even understands your weird anti-Spurs hatred, I suppose it's way too late for you not to be a cunt about it.

It's just a bit cringey that's all.
Jumping to conclusions again? I don't think I've once said they weren't a good team, quite the opposite if you'd bothered to read posts, but as your default argument of choice is the change the story when you're proved utterly wrong (see Firmino) i'm not surprised you'd jump to that conclusion. Also, where exactly have I slagged off their players? I mean I slag off their fan base all the time, but there players, or even the team? You're writing your own story here Brendan, I dislike Spurs because I live surrounded by their fans who don't shut up about how they're the greatest in the league, I have no shame in admitting that, I won't lie I quite enjoy it, you however seem to be on a once man mission to convince this entire board about how we're living in Spurs shadow, and quite frankly, thats the real cringe.
 
Jumping to conclusions again? I don't think I've once said they weren't a good team, quite the opposite if you'd bothered to read posts, but as your default argument of choice is the change the story when you're proved utterly wrong (see Firmino) i'm not surprised you'd jump to that conclusion. Also, where exactly have I slagged off their players? I mean I slag off their fan base all the time, but there players, or even the team? You're writing your own story here Brendan, I dislike Spurs because I live surrounded by their fans who don't shut up about how they're the greatest in the league, I have no shame in admitting that, I won't lie I quite enjoy it, you however seem to be on a once man mission to convince this entire board about how we're living in Spurs shadow, and quite frankly, thats the real cringe.

I think finishing below them 6 years out of the last 7 is quite depressing and says all you need to know about the recent quality of the respective teams.

As for slagging off their players, fucking hilarious. Your Harry Kane monomania is hardly a fucking secret.

But that's quietened down a bit, admittedly. Probably because he's scored nearly 50 Premiership goals in the last two seasons. Only another 36 to go before Firmino catches up!
 
Whats embarrassing is coming onto a Liverpool forum and repeatedly taking it upon yourself to tell everyone that Spurs are a better team than Liverpool, for little or no reason. Christ it's like KHL and Eriksen, but at least KHL doesn't deny his understandable admiration for his countryman.

I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.
 
I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.
Yep. Still full of cunts though. I like our cunts more.

We'll finish above them this season.
 
I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.

Which completely sums it up.
I always used to have a soft spot for Spurs, mainly because their team was always weaker than ours.
A halfway decent Cup run and that was their season, Now they always have stronger teams, they sell well and buy even better.
Plus they have nauseating fans so it's very easy to hate Spurs now.
 
I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.

He's saying usually and always though, not in recent history.
The adoration of players like Dier aswell I find a bit weird.
 
I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.

Yeah, and that's my only point. I wish it wasn't true, but facts are facts.

We should certainly run them closer this season, as we seem in very good shape. The only area that is still a worry is our totally shit defence.
 
I think finishing below them 6 years out of the last 7 is quite depressing and says all you need to know about the recent quality of the respective teams.

As for slagging off their players, fucking hilarious. Your Harry Kane monomania is hardly a fucking secret.

But that's quietened down a bit, admittedly. Probably because he's scored nearly 50 Premiership goals in the last two seasons. Only another 36 to go before Firmino catches up!


Christ alive, again with the statistic, you do realise we are all aware of this statistic, and no one is trying to argue that we've been better than Spurs recently? Or do you just get a little jittery if you don't get the chance to wax lyric about your beloved Spurs every couple of weeks?

As for Kane, were you even on the forum when I was hoping he was a one season wonder? I don't think you'd rejoined at that point, but the points fair though, at least I'm capable of admitting when I'm wrong, unlike you with your embarrassing vendetta against Firmino.
 
I think he's being fairly realistic. They've finished above us in 6 of the last 7 seasons. Are Liverpool a bigger club? Absolutely, but in recent history their team has been better than ours.
That's kind of the point, no ones ever said anything to the contrary, but Brendan keeps bringing this up in an almost fanboyish way.
 
Christ alive, again with the statistic, you do realise we are all aware of this statistic, and no one is trying to argue that we've been better than Spurs recently? Or do you just get a little jittery if you don't get the chance to wax lyric about your beloved Spurs every couple of weeks?

As for Kane, were you even on the forum when I was hoping he was a one season wonder? I don't think you'd rejoined at that point, but the points fair though, at least I'm capable of admitting when I'm wrong, unlike you with your embarrassing vendetta against Firmino.

It's not a vendetta. He doesn't score enough goals. Again....pesky facts, not opinion.

And I made him MOM in the Swansea game. Because I don't do vendettas. I do facts.
 
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Haha! I seem to remember comments like he'll never be good enough and that the attacking set up like the one we're seeing now wouldnt work.
Firmino is boss. Just admit that you're wrong. The world wont fall apart.
 
How many Premiership goals would you want/ expect from Firmino this season? He's got three so far.
3 goals in 6 games is a decent return, continue in that form and he'll be approaching 20 goals this season, that would be an incredible season. More realistically though, assuming he stays fit, 15 goals would be a great season from him, and I'd like to see him within a goal or two of that target.
 
3 goals in 6 games is a decent return, continue in that form and he'll be approaching 20 goals this season, that would be an incredible season. More realistically though, assuming he stays fit, 15 goals would be a great season from him, and I'd like to see him within a goal or two of that target.

Right, so about 15 Premiership goals? I'd be OK with that too, I suppose. Perhaps closer to 20 ideally.

So, you're actually in full agreement with me that his total of 10 Premiership goals last season wasn't good enough. Great.
 
That's not the question I asked. I'd like the question I asked answered, and then the discussion can move on.


We have three strikers / false strikers, so a scoring rate of 1 in 3 seems fair to apply, it's a fair extrapolation from the 1 in 2 that you'd apply when we had two strikers up front.

So 13 goals will do from Firmino. However, even if he falls short you can allow him that given the amount of work and assists he provides. Something Kane is utterly shit at doing.
 
That's not the question I asked. I'd like the question I asked answered, and then the discussion can move on.

You're ignoring the point on purpose. If he plays in a team that scores a lot of goals that are spread around, then he doesn't need to score 20+ a season. If the number 9 gets 20 goals and the other 3 attackers get 6-7 ot they all get about 10 each it doesn't really matter does it? The team is scoring.
 
We have three strikers / false strikers, so a scoring rate of 1 in 3 seems fair to apply, it's a fair extrapolation from the 1 in 2 that you'd apply when we had two strikers up front.

So 13 goals will do from Firmino. However, even if he falls short you can allow him that given the amount of work and assists he provides. Something Kane is utterly shit at doing.

I think you can be a bit more forgiving about a lack of assists when you score 46 league goals in the last two seasons.
 
I think you can be a bit more forgiving about a lack of assists when you score 46 league goals in the last two seasons.

Indeed. But when he's not scoring, for example with England, there wasn't much forgiveness at all that came his way. What did come his way was utterly beautiful to behold.
 
You're ignoring the point on purpose. If he plays in a team that scores a lot of goals that are spread around, then he doesn't need to score 20+ a season. If the number 9 gets 20 goals and the other 3 attackers get 6-7 ot they all get about 10 each it doesn't really matter does it? The team is scoring.

Of course. But as ever, I'm looking at the bigger picture and using historical facts and data to help come to a conclusion. it's similar to my points about our team under Rodgers in the "nearly season" and our lack of defensive solidity now; it will cost us points and no team can concede as many as we do (and did then) and win the title.

"But who cares when we win 3-2?! We score more than them, we win! Simple!" Yeah, but you won't always. Bigger picture. But a different thread probably.

Anyway, back to Firmino. Or more accurately, the need for a successful team that challenges and wins titles to have a regular, reliable goalscorer. If your main striker scores 10 Premiership goals, you won't win the title.

So my issue was that based on last season, Firmino wasn't good enough to be our main attacking threat. 10 goals isn't a good enough return. Because sometimes you need that striker to nick a few games and scratch a 1-0. Or blast in a couple to rescue a game. Like Aguero does. Like Costa can. Like RVN, Drogba, Henry did. Like Kane has for Spurs, helping them deliver a title challenge last season, and finish above us the season before. Goalscoring is the most valuable commodity in a striker.

"Yeah, but we're winning! Who cares who scores?" Again, nobody. But sooner or later we will need to simply rely on a brilliant goalscorer pulling our arse out of the fire.

So I was trying to work out what kind of return would be acceptable for a player who is leading our attack. We've established 10 isn't enough, but it would appear we are making progress, with 15-20 being a more acceptable range. Which I agree with. Hopefully Firmino can deliver. Although I have doubts.
 
Right, so about 15 Premiership goals? I'd be OK with that too, I suppose. Perhaps closer to 20 ideally.

So, you're actually in full agreement with me that his total of 10 Premiership goals last season wasn't good enough. Great.
No, again with the conclusion jumping, he only started 24 games last season, add that on to the fact it was his first season in the league, and we changed managers half way through the season, then 10 is a great return. However this season he's fully settled, and I fully expect him to be a key member of our attacking unit playing in most games in one of the positions across the front four, as a result I can see him building on a good start last season with more goals.
 
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