Trent, Salah and VVD

[binomial]

Although I do hold the firm belief Hughes is the biggest steaming pile of shit I've known in all of mankind, I do back him in this instance with the arrogant, wantaway, ballon d'shit wannabe winning little scab.

Had about 5 stand out performances the last 3 years and he thinks he's somehow worth 300k a week and the captains armband? Lay off the crack boy.

 

[tombrown]

Why do people think we had a choice to sell him or not for £60-100M last summer?

Most likely the only club he would leave us for was Madrid, and most likely Madrid were prepared to wait 12 months to get him for free and would not pay for him last summer

 

[bluebell]

Why do people think we had a choice to sell him or not for £60-100M last summer?

Most likely the only club he would leave us for was Madrid, and most likely Madrid were prepared to wait 12 months to get him for free and would not pay for him last summer

They were desperate to sign him in Jan and offered £10-20m. Ultimately its FSGs fault but then again its their money, which they seem happy to see walk out the door. As a fan who thinks Trent has been underperforming for two seasons at least, the saving grace is we are saving £10m a year which could be used to go elsewhere.

I wonder how long they wait to give the ultimatum to Konate and Diaz? FSG don't seem to care about transfer fees as a source of income

 

[MomoWASright]

They weren’t desperate to sign him. They wanted to control the narrative.

 

[mark1975]

So Madrid's 3 major targets this summer according to reports:

Trent Alexander Arnold
Martin Zubimendi
Dean Huijsen

 

[Hansern]

100 mill £!


View: https://x.com/anfieldsector/status/1904867381597315376?s=46

 

[Hansern]

So Madrid's 3 major targets this summer according to reports:

Trent Alexander Arnold
Martin Zubimendi
Dean Huijsen

Zubimendi signed for Arsenal in January according to their fans. They just got Kaned!

 

[Modo]

As if Madrid are paying us anything.

 

[Brizzle]

I'm surprised we didn't make vice captaincy a condition of signing a new contract. honestly our team seem really really weak at negotiating. The days of firm performance focused contracts look to be long gone and bloated contracts that will pay the earth no matter what the performance is look to be in. That is not how you manage a team that needs to perform at a very high level consistently to compete.

 

[Fabio]

I'm surprised we didn't make vice captaincy a condition of signing a new contract. honestly our team seem really really weak at negotiating.

I genuinely don't think there was negotiating to be done. I think over the last few years he's seen klopp not get backed and doubted FSGs actually commitment to success. Giving him 350k a week means fuck all if the best he's going to be pinging crosses to is someone not fit to wear the shirt.

We're a solid guarantee of some success. Madrid are a solid fucking guarantee of overwhelming success.

 

[mark1975]

I genuinely don't think there was negotiating to be done. I think over the last few years he's seen klopp not get backed and doubted FSGs actually commitment to success. Giving him 350k a week means fuck all if the best he's going to be pinging crosses to is someone not fit to wear the shirt.

We're a solid guarantee of some success. Madrid are a solid fucking guarantee of overwhelming success.

Well, until they start pissing goals down their right side anyway.

 

[mark1975]

It's a shame Villa aren't going to be in the CL again next year, Rashford could have ripped Trent a new one, for old time's sake.

 

[Farkmaster]

We all knew he would be going when Real came knocking, my wish is we had sold him in the summer for £60-80m in hindsight. The positive is we save £10m a year as it currently stands.

We can buy someone for 40 mil and pay them 100k a week and it'll be about the same for 3 years. If they're good, that's when we should either pay them more or sell them, crazy right?

I have always found it hard to see how we can tie all this money up in declining assets, while attempting to rely on them less, because it hamstrings our flexibility to pay other players. Trent was the easiest one to deal with in terms of shitting or getting off the pot.

 

[tombrown]

They were desperate to sign him in Jan and offered £10-20m. Ultimately its FSGs fault but then again its their money, which they seem happy to see walk out the door. As a fan who thinks Trent has been underperforming for two seasons at least, the saving grace is we are saving £10m a year which could be used to go elsewhere.

I wonder how long they wait to give the ultimatum to Konate and Diaz? FSG don't seem to care about transfer fees as a source of income

1. £10-20M is not £60-100M
2. Jan is not last summer
3. Carvajal was not injured last summer
4. As Momo said "narrative"

Other than that you make a good argument

 

[bluebell]

1. £10-20M is not £60-100M
2. Jan is not last summer
3. Carvajal was not injured last summer
4. As Momo said "narrative"

Other than that you make a good argument

You honestly don't think we would got a good fee for him in the last summer? Mount went for £55m. There would be competition for his signature.
According to players, FSG did not approach them about renegotiating till Jan, that's on them. They seem unperturbed watching assets walking out the door for free.

 

[Squiggles]

BR will break it down better, but this roughly the figures the club will be looking at (assuming agent fees are the same, ignoring bonuses, etc)​

Signing Trent:​

• Wages: £300,000 per week → £78m over 5 years
• Employer NICs (13.8%): £10.75m
• Pension Contributions (5%): £3.9m
• Total Cost: £92.65m
  
  Signing Replacement
• Transfer Fee: £50m
• Employer NICs (13.8%): £6.9m
• Pension Contributions (5%): £2.5m
• Wages: £127,885 per week → £33.25m over 5 years
• Total Cost: £92.65m

The scale of the wages we would have been discussing with Trent do 'unlock' a transfer fee for a replacement to an extent. We just need to find a good enough RB.

 

[Holle]

Why hasn't Trent come out and said that nothing is done yet?
He's leaving us in the dark for a reason.

Because he's an arsehole.

 

[Farkmaster]

Jesus. I've been dumped a bunch of times, not to brag. You can do it with a bit of fucking dignity. You think it would help for him to say he's leaving now? He will do an interview and send a little note and we can either find someone better for ourselves and move or some of you will be talking to each other about "he's a total bitch though, right? He doesn't look happy in these pictures, right?" Months from now.

 

[tombrown]

You honestly don't think we would got a good fee for him in the last summer? Mount went for £55m. There would be competition for his signature.
According to players, FSG did not approach them about renegotiating till Jan, that's on them. They seem unperturbed watching assets walking out the door for free.

Seriously - go back & read my post.

Assumption 1 - Trent had his heart set on Madrid or noone
Assumption 2 - Madrid, being Madrid, knowing the above, were happy to wait 12 months to save 60-100M

So, regardless of how much Mount went for, how the hell do we sell him where the available market is 1 club & that 1 club wont pay?

You do realise selling a player is more than just putting up a "For Sale" sign don't you?

I am breaking my golden rule here

 

[Accedalyday]

 

[Brizzle]

Why do people think we had a choice to sell him or not for £60-100M last summer?

Most likely the only club he would leave us for was Madrid, and most likely Madrid were prepared to wait 12 months to get him for free and would not pay for him last summer

If he'd have agreed a new contract at any point in time in the last 2 years, that is what his market value would be whether he left this year, next year etc.

We dropped the ball.

 

[MomoWASright]

If he was never signing a new contract and only ever going to Madrid on a free then we haven’t dropped anything.

 

[Fabio]

He was never going to sign. Well. Maybe he might of 1 year in to his new contract, but then we'd be annoyed we renegotiated quickly.

I don't think him leaving is on the club overly (except maybe a lack of ambition in other areas). If Salah goes I don't think that's overly on the club either, as stupid money in that area can revitalise the whole attack.

If Virgil goes though. That is on the club.

 

[Farkmaster]

If he was never signing a new contract and only ever going to Madrid on a free then we haven’t dropped anything.

I think you could argue we could have shown him we were more ambitious. That's the thing here. Lets say he thought "I've probably already played on our best team," would you be confident in disagreeing?

I think there's also something to be said for it increasing his profile, commercial opportunities, and perhaps rejuvenating his playing career, which has stagnated massively.

 

[Dreambeliever]

He’ll move back to Liverpool when he retires and be bitter about the fact the fans have no love for him and never understand why.

The dickhead.

 

[rubans]

I'm sure the millions, the trophies and living on a private estate will help him...
LFC Fans are pretty sensible bunch, Torres was forgiven and so has Macca I think.
Honestly doubt most Liverpool fans will once done care or hold that level of grudge.

 

[Modo]

I'm sure the millions, the trophies and living on a private estate will help him...
LFC Fans are pretty sensible bunch, Torres was forgiven and so has Macca I think.
Honestly doubt most Liverpool fans will once done care or hold that level of grudge.

They've all been forgiven to some extent but they're not loved.
Owen, Macca and now Trent will never get that any more.
Not like Fowler and Gerrard.

 

[peekay]

They've all been forgiven to some extent but they're not loved.
Owen, Macca and now Trent will never get that any more.
Not like Fowler and Gerrard.

Exactly, most LFC fans will point to Torres transfer as the exact point where they realized it is not worth investing emotionally in these players. Big difference between being adored and not giving a shit. I also believe the Klopp era helped heal a lot of these wounds.

To a certain degree, I understand why TAA wants to move there. If he is there for four years, it is the closest one is getting to a guaranteed league mane CL medal. But I wish he had handled this differently. Do what Macca did? Agree to a contract with a reasonable release clause. But at the same time, I know we don’t do release clauses.

 

[Modo]

I mentioned this a few months ago but Trent's only redemption is if he spends 4 years at Real, comes back on a free transfer and brings Bellingham with him, for free as well obviously.

 

[MomoWASright]

They've all been forgiven to some extent but they're not loved.
Owen, Macca and now Trent will never get that any more.
Not like Fowler and Gerrard.

I love how the club never wish Owen a happy birthday. Even Kabak got one this week.