Agreed, but I think the Klopp transition and the wobbly period with no real Football director in place for an extended period was also to blame.
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Agreed, but I think the Klopp transition and the wobbly period with no real Football director in place for an extended period was also to blame.
Feels like a waste of a midfielder but it could certainly work in an emergency.
Rather sign a specialist RB who is also good defensively.
See this is where I do blame him. Didn't Arda Guler tell Madrid he wouldn't leave his boyhood club without them getting a fee in a similar situation.
Regardless, I absolutely think he could have avoided this situation had he decided to.
He just played for a manager for 9 years who's motto was "It's not about how people feel when you arrive, it's how they feel when you leave".
He could have made this a win-win. He'll regret this.
Ultimately none of us know exactly how it's gone down and maybe circs were such that Trent is relatively blameless, but for me IF it was a case of cynically running his contract down and letting the club believe he may stay when he never would and all that standard fare, THEN I think we've a right to expect better behaviour than that. Not staying forever, not ensuring the maximum fee for us, but just a bit more loyalty/consideration than I'm alright Jack and sod the rest.
Tbf that feels like pity money
Diogo Dalot might be available.
We can promote Mark Gonzalez from the Liverpool legends squad
Maybe, maybe not. He's scored a lot of goals, but also found himself in a lot of games stuck with no overlap and forced to go inside against a block of players and has often created magic moments to score. I do think a more 'regular' RB could help him. I also think about Brentford where for a rare moment Trent played proper overlap RB and we scored
Meh.
Expected this since he didn't even bother pretending to challenge for the bitters' 2nd at that shitbox last season, when we were still fighting for the title.
Shameful from any Red. Unforgiveable for our vice-captain.
Thanks for the part you played in our success, Trent, but you haven't played like you cared in years and you'll never be talked about as one of our true greats.
Next.
Expected this since he didn't even bother pretending to challenge for the bitters' 2nd at that shitbox last season, when we were still fighting for the title.
Shameful from any Red. Unforgiveable for our vice-captain.
Thanks for the part you played in our success, Trent, but you haven't played like you cared in years and you'll never be talked about as one of our true greats.
Next.
My take would be that it’s almost done, but also this is the point where Liverpool have one last chance to present him with a comparable offer or play the “we couldn’t/wouldn’t match what Madrid were offering” card.
Until he actually informs the club he’s leaving, then it’s not done.
It wouldn’t be the first time someone’s changed their mind at the last minute - Mbappe did it the last time Madrid thought they had him.
I’d still be disappointed he left, nothing to do with not getting a transfer fee or him being a local lad, just simply because we’re losing one of the best players in the world for his position.
How much we miss him depends entirely on his replacement.
I’d also still look at it as paying Trent £300k+ a week and giving him a 5 year contract is much the same in basic numbers as signing someone for £50m and giving them a 5 year deal on £100k a week. (Without going into the detail of employment costs, agent fees, bonus structures, etc).
Until he actually informs the club he’s leaving, then it’s not done.
It wouldn’t be the first time someone’s changed their mind at the last minute - Mbappe did it the last time Madrid thought they had him.
I’d still be disappointed he left, nothing to do with not getting a transfer fee or him being a local lad, just simply because we’re losing one of the best players in the world for his position.
How much we miss him depends entirely on his replacement.
I’d also still look at it as paying Trent £300k+ a week and giving him a 5 year contract is much the same in basic numbers as signing someone for £50m and giving them a 5 year deal on £100k a week. (Without going into the detail of employment costs, agent fees, bonus structures, etc).
I checked out months ago regarding Trent and I honestly don't blame him for leaving.
I was the one who was OK with Coutinho leaving because he wanted to win shit.
The reason I'm miffed is because I believe he strung the club along since last year, knowing that he'll leave and not sign a new contract. He could have gone during the summer and at least left us something but he didn't.
He's the new McMoneyman in my eyes.
I was the one who was OK with Coutinho leaving because he wanted to win shit.
The reason I'm miffed is because I believe he strung the club along since last year, knowing that he'll leave and not sign a new contract. He could have gone during the summer and at least left us something but he didn't.
He's the new McMoneyman in my eyes.
I think - as others have said - that Real were never going to pay us what we deemed to be an acceptable fee.
There was never going to be a 100M offer on the table - it was a choice between accepting a derisory fee just to get something or keep him till the end and hope to convince him to sign.
It's a huge loss but I guess if TAA has done anything for the fanbase it is to get progressively worse to soften the blow. If he was still playing as he was 2-3 seasons ago, it'd feel pretty devastating.
As things stand, it feels as though we can come out of this as strong or stronger if we recruit smartly. And recruit we must, we can't go into next season with Bradley as first choice.
There was never going to be a 100M offer on the table - it was a choice between accepting a derisory fee just to get something or keep him till the end and hope to convince him to sign.
It's a huge loss but I guess if TAA has done anything for the fanbase it is to get progressively worse to soften the blow. If he was still playing as he was 2-3 seasons ago, it'd feel pretty devastating.
As things stand, it feels as though we can come out of this as strong or stronger if we recruit smartly. And recruit we must, we can't go into next season with Bradley as first choice.
If that wage is accurate I just don't think he's worth that to us. That's like 60 million over 3 years. Plus then the others are benchmarked against that fee. We have to renew or replace Diaz, konate, Salah, vvd... How the fuck will we afford to do that? This is why I'm also not arsed about Salah. We have a lot of work to do, thanks to mismanagement.
I hope he gets healthy and makes the run in easy.
This. I don't mind the simple fact of a player leaving. I mind very much when they shaft the club on the way out. Even Owen didn't do that.
Exactly...even Owen...
If it wasn’t obvious before the Madrid bid in Jan that he was off then that was the final nail for me.
Ultimately, if the vice captain of the club who’s a local lad, a fan, who’s been beaten and or cheated by Real in two CL finals and had to listen to the shite they say about our club wants to go there then my care factor and respect him is zero.
For me he’s 100% ruined his legacy and for some of the talk of Gerrard being a cunt in real life it only elevates his legendary status for me that he stayed time and time again.
As a professional choice sure he can go there but he’s selling his scouse and LFC soul to do it.
Considering he’s waited this long I wish he had waited til after we won the thing and had the parade.
Now id fuck him off into the u21 and banish him like Rashford and strip him of the vice captain.
Ultimately, if the vice captain of the club who’s a local lad, a fan, who’s been beaten and or cheated by Real in two CL finals and had to listen to the shite they say about our club wants to go there then my care factor and respect him is zero.
For me he’s 100% ruined his legacy and for some of the talk of Gerrard being a cunt in real life it only elevates his legendary status for me that he stayed time and time again.
As a professional choice sure he can go there but he’s selling his scouse and LFC soul to do it.
Considering he’s waited this long I wish he had waited til after we won the thing and had the parade.
Now id fuck him off into the u21 and banish him like Rashford and strip him of the vice captain.
You’d need to add on his signing on fee. If real are offering £20 million we have no chance of matching that.
OK, so going into that detail, those two deals are probably equivalent:
Cash flow:
Trent
Years 1-3 £23.6m
Years 4+5 £17.9m (difference is no agent fee)
AN Other
Years 1-3 £25.6m
Years 4+5 £6.0m (difference is no agent fee / transfer fee)
Trent costs £19.7m more (mostly falling in years 4 and 5).
The accounting difference is Trent costs £5.1m p.a. more in years 1-3, and £2.2m more in years 4 and 5.
Although in reality, we'd probably need to renew new guy at the end of year 3 and lose the savings at that point.
Yep - and if Mon& Virgil are hoping for big fat signing on fees on top of top end wages, they’ll likely be off too.
Part of me says, let them all go, rip off the bandaid and go for a full reboot - those 3 leaving frees up the guts of £1m a week for wages and transfer fee payments.
Again, if you do the math, those 3 on free probably equates over 3 years to the same as signing Huijsen, Frimpong & Cunha - there’ll still be a cost on the books after 3 years, but they should be much higher value.
Whether we’d be a better team is debatable - definitely not in the short term, but more probably in the long term.
Given that we’ve spent fuck all for a year, will likely post record revenues this year and have a handful of youngsters not currently in first team rotation that we could cash in on - we might see the dreams of all those desperate for transfers come true where we see 6-8 players come in.
Of course it means we’re gutting a likely Premier League winning team and pushing the possibility of a 21st title down the road a bit - but there you have it and we might find that not everyone wants to hang around for the reboot (specifically Konate & Mac Allister).
Totally expected.
Probably done soon as Klopp left, they seemed to have big part of each other.
He has won the left and if his heart is needs a fresh start, good luck to him.
Would have been better if he had left with a fee last year but assume Real were never gonna pay a fee.
Do feels the injuries are catching up with him more and more recently. No more excuses from Hughes and Co, we need big signings this summer.
Probably done soon as Klopp left, they seemed to have big part of each other.
He has won the left and if his heart is needs a fresh start, good luck to him.
Would have been better if he had left with a fee last year but assume Real were never gonna pay a fee.
Do feels the injuries are catching up with him more and more recently. No more excuses from Hughes and Co, we need big signings this summer.
I want him removed from any ‘This means more’ content the fucking scally.
I hope Virgil and Salah stay but if they go they go.
I don’t think anyone will be that super strong next year that we can’t be competitive regardless.
If you don’t want to play for this club or even worse captain it then you can fuck off.
I don’t think anyone will be that super strong next year that we can’t be competitive regardless.
If you don’t want to play for this club or even worse captain it then you can fuck off.
